Following 2018 draftees

Discussion in 'Prospects' started by Ozymandias, Jul 25, 2017.

  1. Joshoua

    Joshoua Well-Known Member

    No way I'm passing up on Donic dude is legit and I think he'll be a star. If we're in position to draft him I think it means Bagley is gone and so is Porter. That means taking Ayton or Bamba would be the same cause we have Skal/WCS I think WCS will be a 14-10-3apg guy and Skal a 14-7 guy both very good. Now if we don't believe Donic can play sf I say take him and stick him at SG have Buddy off the bench.

    Donic is like Lonzo Ball on steroids taller, bigger, more athletic as well. He has a better shot and more transferable and I think Ball is way overrated in half court. Where Donic will thrive he's already elite in pick and roll at 6'8 that's huge. Donic will be a star
  2. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member

    Comes down to how much Fox shows for me. I really really doub't Fox-Doncic can both excel at the same time. I think Doncic needs the ball in his hands to be at his best. He can make his teammates better. He can control an offense. He can score. On the other hand, Fox needs the ball in his hands to be his best too. He needs to create his own shots. He needs to score. If Fox shows that he's good enough to the point where he's our franchise player, then I'm passing on Doncic. Think of it this way, would you draft Lonzo if we already had Fox? No. We'd only draft Lonzo to replace Fox.
  3. Joshoua

    Joshoua Well-Known Member

    I disagree, you need multiple playmakers on the court to succeed Donic being 6'7 is a plus. Even in summer league Fox was playing off the ball when Mason was in the game so at least they showed he'd play off ball some. In two years hopefully he'd get he shot to be at least on Dennis Schroeder level making which would mean he'd have no problem playing off the ball.
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  4. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    The question is, are they, Fox and Donic coachable? Both are young, and if coachable, then it's a matter of blending those skills together. When the Kings were in their heyday, everyone on that team could shoot and pass. So having the skills to pass the ball, and having been the primary distributor doesn't mean you can't become a more selfless player. Mike Bibby was a PG that learned to be a very good off the ball player. Doug Christie had been a PG but blended very well on that team.

    Ironically if there was anyone on that team that seemed to be a bit of a ball stopper it was Webber, who was also an excellent passer, as was Vlade and Peja. I don't think it's fair to lock 18 and 19 year old's into a stereotype. Just because they played a certain way due to their skill set, doesn't mean their not capable of change. I prefer to look at them having those skills as a plus.
  5. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member

    Marvin Bagley III officially reclassifies and commits to Duke.
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  6. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member

    Bamba showing off some offense in a preseason game vs. a random Australian team:

    • 3pter
    • contested mid-range
    • 2 drives to the basket
    Editing this post to add his other game:
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  7. SacTownKid

    SacTownKid Well-Known Member

    Once you watch an interview with Bamba how can you not fall in love with that kid? He's going to be one to watch this year.
  8. biltalent

    biltalent Well-Known Member

    Nice! If he can shot it and has the handles and coordination to blow by guys of the dribble his ceiling chances from defensive specialist to franchise big. We will see. Right now it looks to me like Doncic and Bamba will be guys that are underrated during the draft process and Porter and Ayton, maybe Bagley will be overrated.
  9. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    None of them have played a college game yet, so I doubt anyone is underrating or overrating any of them. Except Doncic of course who has played professionally in Europe. I think Bagley, Doncic and Porter are the most skilled overall of the group. Ayton isn't far behind and Bamba probably has the most defensive potential. My hope is that the Kings end up with a top three pick, which would insure them of getting either Bagley, Doncic or Porter.

    Of course, as I said, the season hasn't started yet and I may change my mind several times during the season. That's the fun of it. Plus, I'm sure someone that no one is talking about will emerge and get into the conversation.
  10. Joshoua

    Joshoua Well-Known Member

    Holy poopoo if he's hitting college 3s this year he'd fit next to wcs fine. Both athletic freaks and protect the rim with Bamba able to shoot up to 19 feet
  11. Tetsujin

    Tetsujin The Game Thread Dude

    A Bamba/Willie/Skal/Giles/Papa frontcourt rotation would possibly be the longest in NBA history
  12. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    I'm truly, truly sorry to see you leave. The board needs more posters like you. Believe me, I've considered leaving many times because of some of the nonsense. In your case, I have no idea what happened since I've been venturing around baja. But in general I find there are a lot of solid contributors on this forum, and many of them don't spend the time to watch and research upcoming players. So a contributor like yourself is very valuable. I sincerely hope you reconsider, because I find almost all of your evaluations are spot on. If not, I wish you well where ever you land.
  13. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    While this coming draft isn't considered much of a draft for PG's, there is one very good PG that should be a top ten pick. As a matter of fact I have him at number 5 at the moment. I'm speaking of Trevon Duval, who is probably a very happy camper with the addition of Marvin Bagley to his team. Duval has Fox like speed and quickness along with some of the best handles I've ever seen. At 6'3" it's reported that he has a 7' wingspan. When you add that skill level to his size and elite Athleticism, all you need is a jumpshot to complete the picture.

    Speaking of his jumpshot, it's a bit on the erratic side. but I think a lot of it is caused by the speed he plays at, sometimes out of control and off balance. None the less, he's a very talented player, a creative passer with good court vision. Here's a video.

    Been doing a little research and I've found conflicting reports on his wingspan. Nike has him at 6'9.5" and another sight has him at 6'11". So I'm going to say it's somewhere around 6'10". Still a very good wingspan for a 6'3" player.
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  14. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member

    I didn't see this post, but I hope you seriously consider coming back. The board is full of Kings fans who are very protective of the team.. we're all die-hards, and lots of sports emotions get involved. I've gotten into heated topics where I took a few things personal, but afterwards I learned that it's all strictly basketball. Heated stuff will happen, but don't let that dissuade you from posting on here again. I enjoyed your quality posts of prospects, and I hope we can continue to discuss them here. You're extremely knowledgeable member, and I can say for everyone on KF, we all appreciate it. Reconsider it, plus this will be an extremely fun year to scout the young guys!
  15. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member

    It's going to be Duke's first traditional PG since Tyus Jones in 2015. How do you think Coach K will fare with a non-shooting PG? From what I recall, a lot of his teams in the past 7-8years have always had a lead guard who could shoot the hell out of the ball. I wonder if they have enough shooters on the roster right now. I see them playing a Duval-Allen-TrentJR-BagleyIII-CarterJR lineup. Duval-Allen should be a very very fun backcourt.

    If Duval can add a legitimate jumper, he's going top 5. I've only watched highlights of Duval and Sexton, but a problem with both guys is the lack of a jumpshot. PG class doesn't seem so strong at the moment, but it can quickly heat up with these two guys. Love what Avery Bradley has done with the Bama program.
  16. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    I like Duval more than Sexton, at least right now I do, based on what I've seen out of both of them. Duval, as you said, is more of a traditional pass first PG while Sexton is more of a shoot first PG. I think in Duke's case Duval is a good fit with the rest of the players they have. While I'm not a huge Allen fan, I think he's going to be a key player for Duke simply because of his experience. It's possible that he'll be starting with four freshman, and that's usually a recipe for disaster. Of course when the four freshmen are as talented as these are, it's a different story.

    As I said, in an earlier post, I think a large part of Duval's shooting problems are the speed he's trying to play at. He shoots off the dribble and off balance too often. The part that bothers me is that his misses tend to be off line instead of long or short. However his form isn't bad, so I think with some work, he can make them respect his shot. The dude can get into the paint anytime he wants though. His handles are amazing. I also think that Duval has the tools with his great length to be a better defender than Sexton. Right now I have him as the 5th best player in the draft, and if he can correct his jumper, he'll likely stay there. If not, then he'll slide a bit.
  17. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Whereas I've mentioned Collin Sexton, I should probaly give my opinion on him. While I prefer Duval over Sexton, that has more to do with the type of PG I like than the skill levels of either player. First, I don't think at this point in time, Sexton is a PG in the strict sense of the word. Passing the ball is an afterthought with him. That said, he can put points on the board in a hurry. He doesn't lack for confidence and is very outspoken on the court. He plays with a lot of aggression and is always in the attack mode. While he's not as an elite an athlete as Duval, he certainly no slouch. And, while his handles aren't at the same level as Duval's, he can also get to the basket at will and like Duval, is a very good finisher.

    The major difference between the two is mentally. Duval is always looking for his teammates whole Sexton is always looking for his shot. I saw a game between the two players and Sexton scored more points, but I thought overall, Duval outplayed him and his team won the game. So really it's a matter of taste. If you looking for a scorer, then Sexton is your guy I think Sexton is a far better jumpshooter and I think Duval is a far better passer. So for now at least, it's not a matter of whose the better player, it's a matter of what type of player your looking for. Here's a video.

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