WOJ: Rudy Gay informs Kings he'll opt out and likely not return

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How quickly we forget. This team was as good as gone. Vivek and the current owners saved the Kings for Sacramento at the last moment. If not for Vivek and Company we would not have a team and Seattle would!
Well your right about one thing, there was several billionaires that were willing to buy the team, and help pay for a new arena, but not in Sacramento. If Vivek and company hadn't shown up and saved the team for the city, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I might be upset with Vivek at times because of his meddling, but I will never regret his buying the team.
My understanding was that the arena funding was at the heart of the issue, not potential buyers. If Vivek was the only reasonable buyer that would keep the team in Sacramento as part of a stipulation, then I can't be mad at him and he deserves the utmost respect.

But, owning a sports team is a coveted status symbol for the extremely wealthy. I thought there were other people in line but I guess that assumption is pretty dangerous. He is human and made mistakes. I'll definitely keep those mistakes if it means keeping the team also.

As for Rudy, I hope he changes his mind. Players like that don't grow on trees!
 
NBA wanted Sacto to prove two things to NOT relocate team to seattle, 1. that they would be able to help finance an arena and 2. They had a major investor ready to buy the Kings.

3/26/13 Mayor Johnson leads city council to 7-2 Vote to approve a general finance plan to help build arena
5/15/13 Mayor, Vivek, and other Whales go to NY and convinces NBA(with David stern's help) to postpone relocation to Seattle, subject to Purchase of team and building of arena
Vivek was only big Investor ready to purchase Maloofs interest at the time
5/16/13 Vivek buys team from Maloofs
5/20/2014 Mayor & city council approves final 477 Million Arena deal

As far as I know Vivek was only potential owner ready to buy Kings AND pay for the rest of the Arena

Mayor, Vivek, David Stern are the key reasons we still have a team

We owe all three our love and respect - forever

That is my understanding
 
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bajaden

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NBA wanted Sacto to prove two things to NOT relocate team to seattle, 1. that they would be able to help finance an arena and 2. They had a major investor ready to buy the Kings.

3/26/13 Mayor Johnson leads city council to 7-2 Vote to approve a general finance plan to help build arena
5/15/13 Mayor, Vivek, and other Whales go to NY and convinces NBA(with David stern's help) to postpone relocation to Seattle, subject to Purchase of team and building of arena
Vivek was only big Investor ready to purchase Maloofs interest at the time
5/16/13 Vivek buys team from Maloofs
5/20/2014 Mayor & city council approves final 477 Million Arena deal

As far as I know Vivek was only potential owner ready to buy Kings AND pay for the rest of the Arena

Mayor, Vivek, David Stern are the key reasons we still have a team

We owe all three our love and respect - forever

That is my understanding
The only thing I would add to what you said, and I think you assumed that everyone knew this, but Vivek and his group were the only major investors that were there that were willing to keep the team in Sacramento. There were other investors that were interested in buying the team, but they all wanted to move the team.
 

VF21

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This is why I am angry with Vivek. Him buying this team (and I take for granted that there are plenty of other billionaires that would have bought the team and helped build an awesome arena) is like Chris Webber blowing out his knee. It was catastrophic for us. We lost 2 years of Cuz' prime, and he is most likely gone.

We need a miracle. We need to ride the new arena hype with an early win streak. Maybe Rudy buys back in, b/c he is a great player and we won't get equal value in return. Then maybe, we can sign a FA. Then maybe, Cuz might want one more shot in Sac. It HAS to be this year or we lose every shred of respect we're clinging to and we're back to losing until we strike gold again.
Wow. Our team came this close to ending up in Seattle. I'm surprised you didn't hear about it. It was in the papers and everything. :rolleyes:

You taking for granted that there were plenty of other billionaires that would have bought the team and helped build the arena is ... in a word ... delusional.
 
The only thing I would add to what you said, and I think you assumed that everyone knew this, but Vivek and his group were the only major investors that were there that were willing to keep the team in Sacramento. There were other investors that were interested in buying the team, but they all wanted to move the team.
Not disagreeing because I don't know all the details, but there was a time it looked like Ron Burkle would buy the team and build an arena (and he has infinity money) but he had a conflict of interest due to a sports agency or something. And then for a while it looked like it was up to Mark Mastrov, but he ended up ceding the #1 seat to Vivek so it would seem his pockets weren't really deep enough? I got the impression he wanted to buy for $420M hometown discount but when we had to "match the bid" at $535 then it became up to Vivek?

Anyway - I am sure glad Vivek bought the team but I've complained of his lack of connection to the working class fan. However... the gift cowbell with this years' season ticket package gives him major points in my book. He hired somebody who "gets it" because that was a cool cool thing to do.
 
Not disagreeing because I don't know all the details, but there was a time it looked like Ron Burkle would buy the team and build an arena (and he has infinity money) but he had a conflict of interest due to a sports agency or something. And then for a while it looked like it was up to Mark Mastrov, but he ended up ceding the #1 seat to Vivek so it would seem his pockets weren't really deep enough? I got the impression he wanted to buy for $420M hometown discount but when we had to "match the bid" at $535 then it became up to Vivek?

Anyway - I am sure glad Vivek bought the team but I've complained of his lack of connection to the working class fan. However... the gift cowbell with this years' season ticket package gives him major points in my book. He hired somebody who "gets it" because that was a cool cool thing to do.
I recall at the time Burkle bowed out due to the conflict of interest he had a plan to support Sacramento by investing in projects around the arena. Does anyone know if that has come to fruition?

We all remember the supposed great quote of former NBA Commissioner David Stern "They have Burkle?" ---> http://www.nba.com/2013/news/01/25/ron-burkle-kings-stern.ap/
 
Not disagreeing because I don't know all the details, but there was a time it looked like Ron Burkle would buy the team and build an arena (and he has infinity money) but he had a conflict of interest due to a sports agency or something. And then for a while it looked like it was up to Mark Mastrov, but he ended up ceding the #1 seat to Vivek so it would seem his pockets weren't really deep enough? I got the impression he wanted to buy for $420M hometown discount but when we had to "match the bid" at $535 then it became up to Vivek?

Anyway - I am sure glad Vivek bought the team but I've complained of his lack of connection to the working class fan. However... the gift cowbell with this years' season ticket package gives him major points in my book. He hired somebody who "gets it" because that was a cool cool thing to do.
As I recall, Mastrov was going to be the owner out front with Burkle carrying the bigger load. When Burkle had to bow out, Mastrov needed someone to fill those shoes.
 
IIRC (and I didn;t follow every nuance), the vast majority of the heavy lifting was done by KJ, Burkle, and others.

They plowed the field, got the accords/agreements, made the backroom deals and presentations, etc.

Once Burkle had to back out due to conflict of interest, it was just a matter of who was going to step up and buy the team.
Vivek happened to be the guy, but I'm guessing any number of people would have bought the Kings by that point.

The story was already written - Vivek didn;t bring anything to the table except the checkbook (and he was not the sole investor - many hands bought the team).
 
I just listend to a James Ham , Aron Bruski podcast post media day.

They both said they could see a two for one trade including Rudy, possibly Ben and that the Bucks mightbe the destination.

Makes me wonder who their thinking?
 
I just listend to a James Ham , Aron Bruski podcast post media day.

They both said they could see a two for one trade including Rudy, possibly Ben and that the Bucks mightbe the destination.

Makes me wonder who their thinking?
The only player to fit salary wise would be Greg Monroe.

Talent wise it would be good trade, not sure about fit next to dmc though.
 

Capt. Factorial

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That needs to be a three team trade IMO. Monroe does not fit in the Kings crowded front court.
If that were on the table, then I would think Gay and Koufos (not Ben) for Monroe would make more sense from our perspective. From the Bucks' perspective I don't much understand any of it, as they're stacked with wings and I'm not sure what Rudy does for them with Giannis, Parker, and Middleton already in the mix. Ben would potentially shore up their 2-guard but if it's at the expense of Monroe, they would have to really believe in Thon Maker playing this year.
 
If that were on the table, then I would think Gay and Koufos (not Ben) for Monroe would make more sense from our perspective. From the Bucks' perspective I don't much understand any of it, as they're stacked with wings and I'm not sure what Rudy does for them with Giannis, Parker, and Middleton already in the mix. Ben would potentially shore up their 2-guard but if it's at the expense of Monroe, they would have to really believe in Thon Maker playing this year.
They may want to play Rudy Gay at Power Forward.

Looks like the Bucks coach Jason Kidd already said that Monroe and MCW will be coming off the bench.

Maybe a Rudy Gay and Ben (or Koufos) for Monroe trade (maybe swap point guards too, MCW for Collison???).
 
Rudy's media day interview supports everything I said about the real provocative reason as to why Rudy wants out. The real provocative reason is a tangible disconnect between our two most talented players, Boogie and Rudy. Anyone with any degree of social intelligence and ability to read between the lines, to read the subtext below the text, will come to similar conclusion.

It is interesting to me how fans have missed this, how the media misses this, not asking the pertinent questions, when it is as obvious as the nose on your face. I am going to embed this video and transcribe the pertinent quotes that point to the obvious disconnect between Rudy and Boogie and let YOU draw your own conclusion.Don't take my word for it, fellow Kings fans, decide for yourself.

I am NOT necessarily saying their differences are irreconcilable. Winning cures a lot of ills, including a fractured relationship and sins of the past. What I am saying is that the primary motivating factor for Rudy wanting to play elsewhere is that he no longer wants Boogie as teammate, it is border-lining on insufferable and untenable proposition in his mind.

Rudy will show up and be a pro but if he had his druthers, he would in a new uniform, in a new city, with a new coach and set of teammates, on opening night, far away from an eye rolling and impetuous act he is seen too often.

Here are RUDYS' WORDS that support this unequivocal assertion (this transcription is not word-for-word, just the pertinent parts):

Question at 3:30 mark: What is going to take to get the team to turn around?

Rudy: "I don't know, I mean, one thing I do know is it takes teamwork, it takes guys who are here to win, no agendas, just come here are play basketball and be the best team we can possibly be, that's first and foremost. You can bring in any coach in here or whatever, but you are gonna have to put a pair of guys together than wanna win together"

My Analysis: First Rudy discounts the value of coaching, implying that it was not a predominant barrier to the success in the past. Second, it is not an accident that Rudy went from talking about the team to a pair of guys. Call it a Freudian slip if you want, but he provided a hint that is starts with him and Boogie as the two best players on the team, and that if there is irreconcilable issues, if there is toxic environment at the top, success will remain elusive.

Question at 4:30 mark: So the bottom line is that you want to win you are tired of losing....?

Rudy, That's part of it, yeah, I'd say that's part of it. I wouldn't say that is the major issue. ....I have been here and I feel like we've had team here that can win.....I do love Sacramento...like I said I opted-put and my next stop is going to be whats best for me"

My Analysis: Holy guacamole, Batman! Losing, not winning, is part of it, why not all of it?!?! Wouldn't winning be the panacea to the failure of the past? Apparently there's more to it. There's another part of it as basis for him wanting out, and per his answer above, it is not about coaching. Earlier in the interview he implied he had an open communication with his GM. He also loves the city. We are systematically excluding potentially problematic factors (coaching, Vlade, city), with one constant remaining.

And that constant is Boogie. Period. Mic drop.

Question at 5:56 mark: You mentioned teams in the past that you thought could win, what prevented you from winning...?

Rudy: What prevented us? It could be a lot of different things. I am not gonna sit here and pinpoint one thing or call one thing out, but we are at a point with this organization where it is do or die, with the team we have, with the pieces we have.

My Analysis: This question and answer is fascinating to me. He repeats the question back to the reporter, buying himself time, hesitant to offer a direct response or reveal his true feelings. When he says he is not going to pinpoint or call one thing out, this means unequivocally in my mind (aka Freudian slip) that there is one thing! And that one thing is a divisive player who has created an divisive atmosphere and sucks any possibility of synergistic energy out of the room and off the court.

Elsewhere, Rudy says he has spoke to Joerger, not about plans on the court but about "other things". That other thing per my analysis was the dysfunction seasons past and the source of the dysfunction. Rudy sounds resigned to give it a try, a do-or-die try, but his level of optimism that things are going to change dramatically sounds dubious at best.

Regardless of all of this, I am optimistic that Boogie is in greatest shape of his life, and in his interview he said he is going to spend a lot of time in the high post.

This is very encouraging to me in contradiction with the other fans who think a Joerger system needs low-post Boogie all of the time. NOPE! Joerger may know that the best way to maximize Boogie's skill set is to put him in pick and roll from the free throw line extended where he can take a power dribble, shoot his feathery jumper from 15 feet, or roll to the basket with force and agility for easy dunk or lay-up. Give him a live dribble in the middle of the floor with a chance to see cutters and spot up shooters .... and your offense can hum more often vs. expecting and semblance of efficiency with a half-hook post move that Boogie does not possess.

In conclusion, this team has more questions than answers, and their second most talented player knows this better than anyone. Blob out.

Rudy's Interview Found Here
 
That needs to be a three team trade IMO. Monroe does not fit in the Kings crowded front court.
Totally agree. Monroe is a plodder and needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Him and Boogie would be a terrible fit, spacing on offense and chasing the '4' on defense.
 

Kingster

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So being optimistic about the future depends on a lot of IF's. If the Kings can show improvement this season, winning more than 32 games and possibly making, or being in the hunt to make the playoffs, they'll be far more attractive to freeagents. If the front office appears to be stable and speaking with one voice; Something that should have never been an obstacle, will be removed. If Cousins endorses the future of the team, and seems willing to sign an extension, would be a huge plus when it comes to signing free agents.
The Kings had 33 wins last year. In 2007-8 under Theus they had 38 wins. The last time they were over .500 was 10 years ago with a whopping 44 wins. It's going to take a lot more than winning 33 games to get very good FA to come to this team. The stench can't be eradicated with even an ok season of .500 ball, (much less 33 wins) which would more than likely be viewed as a one-off, like a lottery win only to be followed by a plane crash. A trend of winning must be established and at the very least a trend require two season of winning basketball.
 

Kingster

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Rudy's media day interview supports everything I said about the real provocative reason as to why Rudy wants out. The real provocative reason is a tangible disconnect between our two most talented players, Boogie and Rudy. Anyone with any degree of social intelligence and ability to read between the lines, to read the subtext below the text, will come to similar conclusion.

It is interesting to me how fans have missed this, how the media misses this, not asking the pertinent questions, when it is as obvious as the nose on your face. I am going to embed this video and transcribe the pertinent quotes that point to the obvious disconnect between Rudy and Boogie and let YOU draw your own conclusion.Don't take my word for it, fellow Kings fans, decide for yourself.

I am NOT necessarily saying their differences are irreconcilable. Winning cures a lot of ills, including a fractured relationship and sins of the past. What I am saying is that the primary motivating factor for Rudy wanting to play elsewhere is that he no longer wants Boogie as teammate, it is border-lining on insufferable and untenable proposition in his mind.

Rudy will show up and be a pro but if he had his druthers, he would in a new uniform, in a new city, with a new coach and set of teammates, on opening night, far away from an eye rolling and impetuous act he is seen too often.

Here are RUDYS' WORDS that support this unequivocal assertion (this transcription is not word-for-word, just the pertinent parts):

Question at 3:30 mark: What is going to take to get the team to turn around?

Rudy: "I don't know, I mean, one thing I do know is it takes teamwork, it takes guys who are here to win, no agendas, just come here are play basketball and be the best team we can possibly be, that's first and foremost. You can bring in any coach in here or whatever, but you are gonna have to put a pair of guys together than wanna win together"

My Analysis: First Rudy discounts the value of coaching, implying that it was not a predominant barrier to the success in the past. Second, it is not an accident that Rudy went from talking about the team to a pair of guys. Call it a Freudian slip if you want, but he provided a hint that is starts with him and Boogie as the two best players on the team, and that if there is irreconcilable issues, if there is toxic environment at the top, success will remain elusive.

Question at 4:30 mark: So the bottom line is that you want to win you are tired of losing....?

Rudy, That's part of it, yeah, I'd say that's part of it. I wouldn't say that is the major issue. ....I have been here and I feel like we've had team here that can win.....I do love Sacramento...like I said I opted-put and my next stop is going to be whats best for me"

My Analysis: Holy guacamole, Batman! Losing, not winning, is part of it, why not all of it?!?! Wouldn't winning be the panacea to the failure of the past? Apparently there's more to it. There's another part of it as basis for him wanting out, and per his answer above, it is not about coaching. Earlier in the interview he implied he had an open communication with his GM. He also loves the city. We are systematically excluding potentially problematic factors (coaching, Vlade, city), with one constant remaining.

And that constant is Boogie. Period. Mic drop.

Question at 5:56 mark: You mentioned teams in the past that you thought could win, what prevented you from winning...?

Rudy: What prevented us? It could be a lot of different things. I am not gonna sit here and pinpoint one thing or call one thing out, but we are at a point with this organization where it is do or die, with the team we have, with the pieces we have.

My Analysis: This question and answer is fascinating to me. He repeats the question back to the reporter, buying himself time, hesitant to offer a direct response or reveal his true feelings. When he says he is not going to pinpoint or call one thing out, this means unequivocally in my mind (aka Freudian slip) that there is one thing! And that one thing is a divisive player who has created an divisive atmosphere and sucks any possibility of synergistic energy out of the room and off the court.

Elsewhere, Rudy says he has spoke to Joerger, not about plans on the court but about "other things". That other thing per my analysis was the dysfunction seasons past and the source of the dysfunction. Rudy sounds resigned to give it a try, a do-or-die try, but his level of optimism that things are going to change dramatically sounds dubious at best.

Regardless of all of this, I am optimistic that Boogie is in greatest shape of his life, and in his interview he said he is going to spend a lot of time in the high post.

This is very encouraging to me in contradiction with the other fans who think a Joerger system needs low-post Boogie all of the time. NOPE! Joerger may know that the best way to maximize Boogie's skill set is to put him in pick and roll from the free throw line extended where he can take a power dribble, shoot his feathery jumper from 15 feet, or roll to the basket with force and agility for easy dunk or lay-up. Give him a live dribble in the middle of the floor with a chance to see cutters and spot up shooters .... and your offense can hum more often vs. expecting and semblance of efficiency with a half-hook post move that Boogie does not possess.

In conclusion, this team has more questions than answers, and their second most talented player knows this better than anyone. Blob out.

Rudy's Interview Found Here
Excellent analysis of the Gay interview. And if you're analysis is correct, which I think is likely, then what does that portend for future FA acquisitions? If one were looking at the Kings as a possible FA destination, wouldn't a call to Gay be in order to get a lay of the land?

I'd throw out an additional possible reason for putting Cousins in the high post - it's just easier to get him the ball in that situation. A questionable guard lineup could add considerably to the difficulty.
 
Rudy's media day interview supports everything I said about the real provocative reason as to why Rudy wants out. The real provocative reason is a tangible disconnect between our two most talented players, Boogie and Rudy. Anyone with any degree of social intelligence and ability to read between the lines, to read the subtext below the text, will come to similar conclusion.

It is interesting to me how fans have missed this, how the media misses this, not asking the pertinent questions, when it is as obvious as the nose on your face. I am going to embed this video and transcribe the pertinent quotes that point to the obvious disconnect between Rudy and Boogie and let YOU draw your own conclusion.Don't take my word for it, fellow Kings fans, decide for yourself.

I am NOT necessarily saying their differences are irreconcilable. Winning cures a lot of ills, including a fractured relationship and sins of the past. What I am saying is that the primary motivating factor for Rudy wanting to play elsewhere is that he no longer wants Boogie as teammate, it is border-lining on insufferable and untenable proposition in his mind.

Rudy will show up and be a pro but if he had his druthers, he would in a new uniform, in a new city, with a new coach and set of teammates, on opening night, far away from an eye rolling and impetuous act he is seen too often.

Here are RUDYS' WORDS that support this unequivocal assertion (this transcription is not word-for-word, just the pertinent parts):

Question at 3:30 mark: What is going to take to get the team to turn around?

Rudy: "I don't know, I mean, one thing I do know is it takes teamwork, it takes guys who are here to win, no agendas, just come here are play basketball and be the best team we can possibly be, that's first and foremost. You can bring in any coach in here or whatever, but you are gonna have to put a pair of guys together than wanna win together"

My Analysis: First Rudy discounts the value of coaching, implying that it was not a predominant barrier to the success in the past. Second, it is not an accident that Rudy went from talking about the team to a pair of guys. Call it a Freudian slip if you want, but he provided a hint that is starts with him and Boogie as the two best players on the team, and that if there is irreconcilable issues, if there is toxic environment at the top, success will remain elusive.

Question at 4:30 mark: So the bottom line is that you want to win you are tired of losing....?

Rudy, That's part of it, yeah, I'd say that's part of it. I wouldn't say that is the major issue. ....I have been here and I feel like we've had team here that can win.....I do love Sacramento...like I said I opted-put and my next stop is going to be whats best for me"

My Analysis: Holy guacamole, Batman! Losing, not winning, is part of it, why not all of it?!?! Wouldn't winning be the panacea to the failure of the past? Apparently there's more to it. There's another part of it as basis for him wanting out, and per his answer above, it is not about coaching. Earlier in the interview he implied he had an open communication with his GM. He also loves the city. We are systematically excluding potentially problematic factors (coaching, Vlade, city), with one constant remaining.

And that constant is Boogie. Period. Mic drop.

Question at 5:56 mark: You mentioned teams in the past that you thought could win, what prevented you from winning...?

Rudy: What prevented us? It could be a lot of different things. I am not gonna sit here and pinpoint one thing or call one thing out, but we are at a point with this organization where it is do or die, with the team we have, with the pieces we have.

My Analysis: This question and answer is fascinating to me. He repeats the question back to the reporter, buying himself time, hesitant to offer a direct response or reveal his true feelings. When he says he is not going to pinpoint or call one thing out, this means unequivocally in my mind (aka Freudian slip) that there is one thing! And that one thing is a divisive player who has created an divisive atmosphere and sucks any possibility of synergistic energy out of the room and off the court.

Elsewhere, Rudy says he has spoke to Joerger, not about plans on the court but about "other things". That other thing per my analysis was the dysfunction seasons past and the source of the dysfunction. Rudy sounds resigned to give it a try, a do-or-die try, but his level of optimism that things are going to change dramatically sounds dubious at best.

Regardless of all of this, I am optimistic that Boogie is in greatest shape of his life, and in his interview he said he is going to spend a lot of time in the high post.

This is very encouraging to me in contradiction with the other fans who think a Joerger system needs low-post Boogie all of the time. NOPE! Joerger may know that the best way to maximize Boogie's skill set is to put him in pick and roll from the free throw line extended where he can take a power dribble, shoot his feathery jumper from 15 feet, or roll to the basket with force and agility for easy dunk or lay-up. Give him a live dribble in the middle of the floor with a chance to see cutters and spot up shooters .... and your offense can hum more often vs. expecting and semblance of efficiency with a half-hook post move that Boogie does not possess.

In conclusion, this team has more questions than answers, and their second most talented player knows this better than anyone. Blob out.

Rudy's Interview Found Here
I come here to play with my brothers. That's everyone in that lockerroom.
Interesting. Why would he say everyone if there was a rift with Cousins?

Question: What do you want the future to hold?
What do I want the future to hold? I want to win. I want to win a championship.
Question: Do you think that can be done here in the future?
Maybe. Not sure.
Hmm. Sounds like there is definitely a drive to want to win and win a championship. That seems like plenty of motivation for wanting to leave Sacramento (not Cousins).

Question: Has it been pretty back & forth and ongoing? (regarding communication with Vlade)
It's been pretty quiet. we have the type of relationship that we can talk together and obviously after the little back and forth this past summer, it's even better now. So we're talking so it's pretty much how it needs to be right now.
Gay didn't say it was a good relationship he just said that the communication between them is better now. Gay can still hold a grudge while having more communication with Vlade. This explanation is far from ruled out.

Question: Are you hopeful that in terms of your game, that you can maybe get back more to spots where you can operate best and look a little more comfortable?
(with a smile on his face) Yeah of course. Who doesn't.
Gay doesn't correct the reporter and suggest that he was used correctly last year. This points to a sign that he did have an issue with Karl in how he was being used.



Again, you like to focus on evidence that supports your claims while CHOOSING to disregard evidence that suggests otherwise. The fact of the matter is, we (and by the way, you're included in the "we") don't know.
 
The way I interpret what Rudy is saying is that he has an opportunity to be a Free Agent. He can choose where he wants to go. I give the man credit for saying it now and leaving no doubt. That is what Players want. heck that is what we all want. I hold no grudge against Rudy. I hope it works out and he stays a King. If not I hope Vlade get maximum return for him.
 
Rudy's media day interview supports everything I said about the real provocative reason as to why Rudy wants out. The real provocative reason is a tangible disconnect between our two most talented players, Boogie and Rudy. Anyone with any degree of social intelligence and ability to read between the lines, to read the subtext below the text, will come to similar conclusion.

It is interesting to me how fans have missed this, how the media misses this, not asking the pertinent questions, when it is as obvious as the nose on your face. I am going to embed this video and transcribe the pertinent quotes that point to the obvious disconnect between Rudy and Boogie and let YOU draw your own conclusion.Don't take my word for it, fellow Kings fans, decide for yourself.

I am NOT necessarily saying their differences are irreconcilable. Winning cures a lot of ills, including a fractured relationship and sins of the past. What I am saying is that the primary motivating factor for Rudy wanting to play elsewhere is that he no longer wants Boogie as teammate, it is border-lining on insufferable and untenable proposition in his mind.

Rudy will show up and be a pro but if he had his druthers, he would in a new uniform, in a new city, with a new coach and set of teammates, on opening night, far away from an eye rolling and impetuous act he is seen too often.

Here are RUDYS' WORDS that support this unequivocal assertion (this transcription is not word-for-word, just the pertinent parts):

Question at 3:30 mark: What is going to take to get the team to turn around?

Rudy: "I don't know, I mean, one thing I do know is it takes teamwork, it takes guys who are here to win, no agendas, just come here are play basketball and be the best team we can possibly be, that's first and foremost. You can bring in any coach in here or whatever, but you are gonna have to put a pair of guys together than wanna win together"

My Analysis: First Rudy discounts the value of coaching, implying that it was not a predominant barrier to the success in the past. Second, it is not an accident that Rudy went from talking about the team to a pair of guys. Call it a Freudian slip if you want, but he provided a hint that is starts with him and Boogie as the two best players on the team, and that if there is irreconcilable issues, if there is toxic environment at the top, success will remain elusive.

Question at 4:30 mark: So the bottom line is that you want to win you are tired of losing....?

Rudy, That's part of it, yeah, I'd say that's part of it. I wouldn't say that is the major issue. ....I have been here and I feel like we've had team here that can win.....I do love Sacramento...like I said I opted-put and my next stop is going to be whats best for me"

My Analysis: Holy guacamole, Batman! Losing, not winning, is part of it, why not all of it?!?! Wouldn't winning be the panacea to the failure of the past? Apparently there's more to it. There's another part of it as basis for him wanting out, and per his answer above, it is not about coaching. Earlier in the interview he implied he had an open communication with his GM. He also loves the city. We are systematically excluding potentially problematic factors (coaching, Vlade, city), with one constant remaining.

And that constant is Boogie. Period. Mic drop.

Question at 5:56 mark: You mentioned teams in the past that you thought could win, what prevented you from winning...?

Rudy: What prevented us? It could be a lot of different things. I am not gonna sit here and pinpoint one thing or call one thing out, but we are at a point with this organization where it is do or die, with the team we have, with the pieces we have.

My Analysis: This question and answer is fascinating to me. He repeats the question back to the reporter, buying himself time, hesitant to offer a direct response or reveal his true feelings. When he says he is not going to pinpoint or call one thing out, this means unequivocally in my mind (aka Freudian slip) that there is one thing! And that one thing is a divisive player who has created an divisive atmosphere and sucks any possibility of synergistic energy out of the room and off the court.

Elsewhere, Rudy says he has spoke to Joerger, not about plans on the court but about "other things". That other thing per my analysis was the dysfunction seasons past and the source of the dysfunction. Rudy sounds resigned to give it a try, a do-or-die try, but his level of optimism that things are going to change dramatically sounds dubious at best.

Regardless of all of this, I am optimistic that Boogie is in greatest shape of his life, and in his interview he said he is going to spend a lot of time in the high post.

This is very encouraging to me in contradiction with the other fans who think a Joerger system needs low-post Boogie all of the time. NOPE! Joerger may know that the best way to maximize Boogie's skill set is to put him in pick and roll from the free throw line extended where he can take a power dribble, shoot his feathery jumper from 15 feet, or roll to the basket with force and agility for easy dunk or lay-up. Give him a live dribble in the middle of the floor with a chance to see cutters and spot up shooters .... and your offense can hum more often vs. expecting and semblance of efficiency with a half-hook post move that Boogie does not possess.

In conclusion, this team has more questions than answers, and their second most talented player knows this better than anyone. Blob out.

Rudy's Interview Found Here
This is pretty spot on to what I had going through my mind when I heard Rudy on Media day. Rudy is very laid back and I'm pretty sure Cousins always going off on coaches, refs, teammates etc. has worn thin on him.
 
Rudy's media day interview supports everything I said about the real provocative reason as to why Rudy wants out. The real provocative reason is a tangible disconnect between our two most talented players, Boogie and Rudy. Anyone with any degree of social intelligence and ability to read between the lines, to read the subtext below the text, will come to similar conclusion.

It is interesting to me how fans have missed this, how the media misses this, not asking the pertinent questions, when it is as obvious as the nose on your face. I am going to embed this video and transcribe the pertinent quotes that point to the obvious disconnect between Rudy and Boogie and let YOU draw your own conclusion.Don't take my word for it, fellow Kings fans, decide for yourself.

I am NOT necessarily saying their differences are irreconcilable. Winning cures a lot of ills, including a fractured relationship and sins of the past. What I am saying is that the primary motivating factor for Rudy wanting to play elsewhere is that he no longer wants Boogie as teammate, it is border-lining on insufferable and untenable proposition in his mind.

Rudy will show up and be a pro but if he had his druthers, he would in a new uniform, in a new city, with a new coach and set of teammates, on opening night, far away from an eye rolling and impetuous act he is seen too often.

Here are RUDYS' WORDS that support this unequivocal assertion (this transcription is not word-for-word, just the pertinent parts):

Question at 3:30 mark: What is going to take to get the team to turn around?

Rudy: "I don't know, I mean, one thing I do know is it takes teamwork, it takes guys who are here to win, no agendas, just come here are play basketball and be the best team we can possibly be, that's first and foremost. You can bring in any coach in here or whatever, but you are gonna have to put a pair of guys together than wanna win together"

My Analysis: First Rudy discounts the value of coaching, implying that it was not a predominant barrier to the success in the past. Second, it is not an accident that Rudy went from talking about the team to a pair of guys. Call it a Freudian slip if you want, but he provided a hint that is starts with him and Boogie as the two best players on the team, and that if there is irreconcilable issues, if there is toxic environment at the top, success will remain elusive.

Question at 4:30 mark: So the bottom line is that you want to win you are tired of losing....?

Rudy, That's part of it, yeah, I'd say that's part of it. I wouldn't say that is the major issue. ....I have been here and I feel like we've had team here that can win.....I do love Sacramento...like I said I opted-put and my next stop is going to be whats best for me"

My Analysis: Holy guacamole, Batman! Losing, not winning, is part of it, why not all of it?!?! Wouldn't winning be the panacea to the failure of the past? Apparently there's more to it. There's another part of it as basis for him wanting out, and per his answer above, it is not about coaching. Earlier in the interview he implied he had an open communication with his GM. He also loves the city. We are systematically excluding potentially problematic factors (coaching, Vlade, city), with one constant remaining.

And that constant is Boogie. Period. Mic drop.

Question at 5:56 mark: You mentioned teams in the past that you thought could win, what prevented you from winning...?

Rudy: What prevented us? It could be a lot of different things. I am not gonna sit here and pinpoint one thing or call one thing out, but we are at a point with this organization where it is do or die, with the team we have, with the pieces we have.

My Analysis: This question and answer is fascinating to me. He repeats the question back to the reporter, buying himself time, hesitant to offer a direct response or reveal his true feelings. When he says he is not going to pinpoint or call one thing out, this means unequivocally in my mind (aka Freudian slip) that there is one thing! And that one thing is a divisive player who has created an divisive atmosphere and sucks any possibility of synergistic energy out of the room and off the court.

Elsewhere, Rudy says he has spoke to Joerger, not about plans on the court but about "other things". That other thing per my analysis was the dysfunction seasons past and the source of the dysfunction. Rudy sounds resigned to give it a try, a do-or-die try, but his level of optimism that things are going to change dramatically sounds dubious at best.

Regardless of all of this, I am optimistic that Boogie is in greatest shape of his life, and in his interview he said he is going to spend a lot of time in the high post.

This is very encouraging to me in contradiction with the other fans who think a Joerger system needs low-post Boogie all of the time. NOPE! Joerger may know that the best way to maximize Boogie's skill set is to put him in pick and roll from the free throw line extended where he can take a power dribble, shoot his feathery jumper from 15 feet, or roll to the basket with force and agility for easy dunk or lay-up. Give him a live dribble in the middle of the floor with a chance to see cutters and spot up shooters .... and your offense can hum more often vs. expecting and semblance of efficiency with a half-hook post move that Boogie does not possess.

In conclusion, this team has more questions than answers, and their second most talented player knows this better than anyone. Blob out.

Rudy's Interview Found Here
I'm not sure where you got that interview centered around Cousins. Considering your whole narrative until the end was about Cousins. I got that next year he is his own man and he will do what is best for him. Just like you or I would do.

Your conclusion is correct but maybe not in the way you imply. To quote you, "In conclusion, this team has more questions than answers, and their second most talented player knows this better than anyone." And that is why they play the game. I'm looking forward to next season, not sure what to expect.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
The Kings had 33 wins last year. In 2007-8 under Theus they had 38 wins. The last time they were over .500 was 10 years ago with a whopping 44 wins. It's going to take a lot more than winning 33 games to get very good FA to come to this team. The stench can't be eradicated with even an ok season of .500 ball, (much less 33 wins) which would more than likely be viewed as a one-off, like a lottery win only to be followed by a plane crash. A trend of winning must be established and at the very least a trend require two season of winning basketball.
You know that when I said win more than 32 games, I wasn't talking about 33. But then maybe you didn't and I have to explain every detail to you. Nor did I say what I stated would cure all of our ill's. Perhaps I have to explain that to you as well. Just become we become more attractive to freeagents, that doesn't mean they suddenly want to come here. Were talking about a culture change that becomes noticeable to the rest of the league. It doesn't happen overnight and I didn't imply that it did. I assumed that most of the posters knew what I meant. My mistake.
 
If that were on the table, then I would think Gay and Koufos (not Ben) for Monroe would make more sense from our perspective. From the Bucks' perspective I don't much understand any of it, as they're stacked with wings and I'm not sure what Rudy does for them with Giannis, Parker, and Middleton already in the mix. Ben would potentially shore up their 2-guard but if it's at the expense of Monroe, they would have to really believe in Thon Maker playing this year.
Well, Middleton isn't in the mix, at least for six months or so, right?
 

Kingster

Hall of Famer
You know that when I said win more than 32 games, I wasn't talking about 33. But then maybe you didn't and I have to explain every detail to you. Nor did I say what I stated would cure all of our ill's. Perhaps I have to explain that to you as well. Just become we become more attractive to freeagents, that doesn't mean they suddenly want to come here. Were talking about a culture change that becomes noticeable to the rest of the league. It doesn't happen overnight and I didn't imply that it did. I assumed that most of the posters knew what I meant. My mistake.
Well, according to you 33 is good enough, so I guess I have to explain that to you. I guess you shouldn't assume so much and explain so little. Next time I'll just imagine what I'd like you to say and then respond to that.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
Well, according to you 33 is good enough, so I guess I have to explain that to you. I guess you shouldn't assume so much and explain so little. Next time I'll just imagine what I'd like you to say and then respond to that.
Sorry, I thought I was talking to a more intelligent person. I'll bear that in mind in the future.
 
Interesting. Why would he say everyone if there was a rift with Cousins?

Question: What do you want the future to hold?

Question: Do you think that can be done here in the future?


Hmm. Sounds like there is definitely a drive to want to win and win a championship. That seems like plenty of motivation for wanting to leave Sacramento (not Cousins).

Question: Has it been pretty back & forth and ongoing? (regarding communication with Vlade)


Gay didn't say it was a good relationship he just said that the communication between them is better now. Gay can still hold a grudge while having more communication with Vlade. This explanation is far from ruled out.

Question: Are you hopeful that in terms of your game, that you can maybe get back more to spots where you can operate best and look a little more comfortable?


Gay doesn't correct the reporter and suggest that he was used correctly last year. This points to a sign that he did have an issue with Karl in how he was being used.



Again, you like to focus on evidence that supports your claims while CHOOSING to disregard evidence that suggests otherwise. The fact of the matter is, we (and by the way, you're included in the "we") don't know.
You don't see subtext. That's obvious. You don't see subtlety. Rudy doesn't want to sell out his fellow Olympian. Rudy is a cool dude. He doesn't want to air his dirty laundry. It serves no purpose. He wants to get along. He wants to win here, with this coaching staff, with this city. But its hard to hide true feelings. It is hard to mask the frustration beneath the surface. And if you are intuitive, if you are perceptive, you can sense the real message. Let's try this your way: Rudy and Boogie are best buds. And where is the evidence of that again? Oh wait, there is none.
 
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