George Hill to the Cavaliers?
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Because we actually get something useful for trading away Hill. Harrison Barnes is worth way more to us as a 25 year old SF/PF than the 24th pick in this upcoming draft. He has 1 more year on his contract, then a PO option in the last year. He probably would keep it. We have to fill our roster with players and a youngish above average wing that is slightly overpaid is better than signing an over the hill 34 year old for half that money.
Dallas wants to full rebuild and be done with him because they over paid and he's hamstringing their future, but with all our rookies and young guys he'd be out of contract by the time we have to sign extensions. It makes a ton of sense. Lets just assume we win the lottery this would be our team next year
Fox/Mason
Bogdan/Buddy
Donic/J.Jackson/Temple
Barnes/Giles/Zbo
WCS/Skal
+ the 31-33 overall pick as a 2nd rounder
Sampson/Cooley two way??
We have an open roster spot or two to accept a 2 for 1 trade. And we still might move the 2 vets we have left.
Dallas wants to full rebuild and be done with him because they over paid and he's hamstringing their future, but with all our rookies and young guys he'd be out of contract by the time we have to sign extensions. It makes a ton of sense. Lets just assume we win the lottery this would be our team next year
Fox/Mason
Bogdan/Buddy
Donic/J.Jackson/Temple
Barnes/Giles/Zbo
WCS/Skal
+ the 31-33 overall pick as a 2nd rounder
Sampson/Cooley two way??
We have an open roster spot or two to accept a 2 for 1 trade. And we still might move the 2 vets we have left.
We absolutely need to win the Hill trade and get that first round pick. We need to keep Bog, his smarts and ball IQ are needed here long term. If Vlade can pull that off it would be a major coup however if we need to trade Bog for a shot at another top 5 pick then you drive him to the airport.
Really do not want to lose him though.
All this talk of second round picks and taking on guys who do nothing for us is ridiculous. Hill is better served staying here if we cant get anything for him.
Vlade can do this. Not Vlade the rookie GM. Please do not screw this up
Really do not want to lose him though.
All this talk of second round picks and taking on guys who do nothing for us is ridiculous. Hill is better served staying here if we cant get anything for him.
Vlade can do this. Not Vlade the rookie GM. Please do not screw this up
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Barnes is a natural 3, not a 4. He has played Small Forward all his life. Do you watch the Mavs? He starts at the 3. So, I don't know why you would automatically pencil him at 4. Number 2: If the Kings trade for Barnes, this team is not getting Doncic. They both play the same position. Number 3. Barnes alone is worth another 4-5 wins on his play. I have seen him do it this year with Dallas and he will do the same in Sac. Kings will play themselves out of the Top 3.
He's 25, we can't have a roster of 22 year olds. Well we can, and we will keep losing. And yes, I have watched the Mavs. I know he starts at 3, but he plays a ton of 4. We have been playing Vince Carter, Justin Jackson and even Buddy Hield at the 4 when we go small. Barnes is not adding 4-5 wins to this team if we are trading Hill and Koufos away. We will end up in the 1-3 range for worst record. If we don't get Donic, then we take a big man and we for sure need a 3.
The longer this plays out I think the less concerned I get. I know Woj is linked to some of these reports and he is somewhat credible but Brian Windhorst is also heavily involved in these reports and he is basically LeBron's mouthpiece in the media.
Kings hold all the cards here. This is starting to sound like all the terrible "deals" Ainge was going to make before the start of the season.
Kings hold all the cards here. This is starting to sound like all the terrible "deals" Ainge was going to make before the start of the season.
I do not want Barnes at all. He's a roleplayer on a bad contract. He's also decent enough to probably help this team win a couple more times which we don't need in terms of the lottery.
We should continue to maintain cap flexibility and collect young assets (either players on rookie deals or future picks). Taking on huge contracts like Barnes only limits our flexibility to make salary dump deals to bring in more assets and could potentially add more Ws to a team that really should be focusing on landing a top pick in the draft to find a franchise player. No thank you.
With that being said, Basketball Reference says he plays 60% of his minutes at PF and 40% at SF.
We should continue to maintain cap flexibility and collect young assets (either players on rookie deals or future picks). Taking on huge contracts like Barnes only limits our flexibility to make salary dump deals to bring in more assets and could potentially add more Ws to a team that really should be focusing on landing a top pick in the draft to find a franchise player. No thank you.
With that being said, Basketball Reference says he plays 60% of his minutes at PF and 40% at SF.
Couldnt agree more. Vlade's rep is shot after the Cousins trade. Everyone is trying to fleece us and its not just us as Kings fans that see it.
The trade as currently proposed is horrendous and Vlade better not get sucked into that. We win if we literally sit on our hands put up with Hill for another 18 months and waive him for a mill in 2019 or revisit trading him next season.
The trade as currently proposed is horrendous and Vlade better not get sucked into that. We win if we literally sit on our hands put up with Hill for another 18 months and waive him for a mill in 2019 or revisit trading him next season.
This is true and I hope that Vlade realizes this before it is too late.
Our season is basically done.
Cleveland is desperate to try and save their season and future of their franchise for that matter, because LeBron may leave if their season goes down in flames.
I hope Vlade doesn't do anything stupid, because there really is no urgency for the Kings to make any deal at this point.
Making NO DEAL is a million times BETTER than making a stupid deal!!!
Our season is basically done.
Cleveland is desperate to try and save their season and future of their franchise for that matter, because LeBron may leave if their season goes down in flames.
I hope Vlade doesn't do anything stupid, because there really is no urgency for the Kings to make any deal at this point.
Making NO DEAL is a million times BETTER than making a stupid deal!!!
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I still dont understand the need to get a third team, or have to trade Skal
Just trade Hill/Malachi for shumpert/Frye if two for two , no third team or Skal trade needed
Get either Cavs late 1st or at least a 2nd or cavs can pound sand
Only 3rd team trade we should be calling see SacTownDog :
The extra value back is Frye’s expiring contract which we can pair with Vince’s contract to take on one more contract with an asset tied to it: Portland’s 1st with Turner, Winslow with James Johnson, Stanley Johnson with Jon Leuer
Just trade Hill/Malachi for shumpert/Frye if two for two , no third team or Skal trade needed
Get either Cavs late 1st or at least a 2nd or cavs can pound sand
Only 3rd team trade we should be calling see SacTownDog :
The extra value back is Frye’s expiring contract which we can pair with Vince’s contract to take on one more contract with an asset tied to it: Portland’s 1st with Turner, Winslow with James Johnson, Stanley Johnson with Jon Leuer
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Regarding the Cleveland 1st rounder, to me it doesn't have to be the 2018 first round pick; it could be the 2019 1st round pick. I think I might like the 2019 pick better than the 2018 pick, especially if it wasn't protected.
Regarding Barnes, way too much seems to be made of whether he plays the 3 or the 4. In today's NBA it becomes virtually irrelevant whether he plays 3 or 4 or is a hybrid. One thing for sure, he can guard a lot more 3 and 4 types than any other player this team currently has on its roster, imo.
Regarding Barnes, way too much seems to be made of whether he plays the 3 or the 4. In today's NBA it becomes virtually irrelevant whether he plays 3 or 4 or is a hybrid. One thing for sure, he can guard a lot more 3 and 4 types than any other player this team currently has on its roster, imo.
I read some unverified rumors from a realgm poster that Utah may be the third team. If that is the case, I think we are asking for Rodney Hood, and maye thats why Skals name is popping up.
How do guys feel about sending Skal/Richardson to Utah for Hood? I'm not sure yet..
I was wondering the same, my best guess is that Cleveland doesnt want to pay Malachi as they are deep into the luxury task and hence asked the Kings to find a third team.
How do guys feel about sending Skal/Richardson to Utah for Hood? I'm not sure yet..
I was wondering the same, my best guess is that Cleveland doesnt want to pay Malachi as they are deep into the luxury task and hence asked the Kings to find a third team.
I dont love it either but my reservation is more about fit than Hoods contract. I dont think he gets 15-20 mil offers in this market, especially not if someone has traded for him before. Other teams then assume that their offers will matched and they dont want to tie up their cap space. There are also not a lot of teams with space where he makes sense anyway. Maybe Philly after they miss out on bigger names?.
Thus, I think 11-14 mil would be more likely than 15-20 mil for Hood.
However I just dont see how the Kings will integrate another SG that is too small to start at SF full time in their lineup.
Thus, I think 11-14 mil would be more likely than 15-20 mil for Hood.
However I just dont see how the Kings will integrate another SG that is too small to start at SF full time in their lineup.
