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I will point out that until this season I would routinely hear through a wide variety of channels rumors of discontent about Vivek and his meddling. I have heard absolutely NONE recently. So I guess I'm saying I trust what I'm not hearing more than your guess. No offense meant, however. 
This is not a criticism of your note but it seems like a decent place to throw this into the conversation. It is assumed Cuz will get the entire load of money he can have. What if he doesn't take it all to leave us with more money to OVERPAY (gasp!!) another fairly decent stud? I have long ago resigned myself that the market for a FA in Sacramento is a different deal than in other cities if not all of them. I think Cousins loves the city of Sacramento. He has always said he will not leave. He recently has said that he thinks it is on his shoulders to win. One way he can accomplish this is to allow us to pay more for FA's by not keeping the maximum he could demand.
I would broach the subject with him.
I would broach the subject with him.
You might be right. We will likely never know. My main point was that he has more important things on his mind than jumping to another team and worrying about some lost income (at least some of which he could replace with more/better endorsement deals - the ease and amount of replacement he could generate is purely speculative but likely much more substantial than he gets now) if he were to go to a better/winning team.
Lawson did not take less money (technicallly ). He just agreed to make his money non-guaranteed.
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A "buyout"?
I don't understand - I know of the amnesty clause (which gives the player the total amount owed him, though spread out over $5 million dollar payments, which DOES count against the team's cap until it's paid off) - how do teams get to use this "buyout", and why wouldn't we have used it to help during the JT/Landry salary dump, instead of having to give Philly a 1st round pick (and swap-rights for 2 years) to get rid of their salaries?
Why didn't Houston have to take it in the shorts when trading for Ty's huge contract?
I don't understand - I know of the amnesty clause (which gives the player the total amount owed him, though spread out over $5 million dollar payments, which DOES count against the team's cap until it's paid off) - how do teams get to use this "buyout", and why wouldn't we have used it to help during the JT/Landry salary dump, instead of having to give Philly a 1st round pick (and swap-rights for 2 years) to get rid of their salaries?
Why didn't Houston have to take it in the shorts when trading for Ty's huge contract?
Last 5 games WCS did what I expected a sophomore NBA bench player to do in given minutes. As I said you might be right at the end, but he is not Ben.
Even with your judgement of talent, accepting that 2 out of 5 (Malachi and Bogdan/Skal) are NBA talents you consider this season drafting sucked?
Btw, which players drafted this year have better big man stats in actual NBA games than Papa? (8.6 reb, 2.2 blk, 11.9 pts)
Even with your judgement of talent, accepting that 2 out of 5 (Malachi and Bogdan/Skal) are NBA talents you consider this season drafting sucked?
Btw, which players drafted this year have better big man stats in actual NBA games than Papa? (8.6 reb, 2.2 blk, 11.9 pts)
The short answer is that Lawson agreed to forgo the money in order to become a free agent. It was probably a bad financial move on his part, but that's what he decided to do.
Buyouts are standard stuff and probably at least a couple happen every year in the NBA. However, often this is on the last year of a contract, and it seems that usually players don't give up a huge amount of the money that they are owed. Lawson was unusual in how much salary he agreed to give up.
Unlike amnesty, when a player is bought out the amount of salary the player does get remains on the team's salary cap.
Buyouts are standard stuff and probably at least a couple happen every year in the NBA. However, often this is on the last year of a contract, and it seems that usually players don't give up a huge amount of the money that they are owed. Lawson was unusual in how much salary he agreed to give up.
Unlike amnesty, when a player is bought out the amount of salary the player does get remains on the team's salary cap.
Papagiannis is averaging 12.0 points per game in the D-League.
Please identify one center, taken in the 2016 draft, who is scoring more points per game in the NBA than Papagiannis is scoring in the D-League. In fact, I'll make it easier for you. Please identify one player at any position, taken in the 2016 draft, who is scoring more points per game in the NBA than Papagiannis is scoring in the D-League.
Please identify one center, taken in the 2016 draft, who is scoring more points per game in the NBA than Papagiannis is scoring in the D-League. In fact, I'll make it easier for you. Please identify one player at any position, taken in the 2016 draft, who is scoring more points per game in the NBA than Papagiannis is scoring in the D-League.
If you cannot see the improvement in WCS, I don't think there's any use in trying to point it out to you. As far as Papa and Skal goes, it is light years early to make any kind of decision about them. The fact the Kings are actually utilizing them in the D-League instead of just sitting them at the end of the bench night after night speaks to a team wanting to actually developing their young players properly. This is a huge step forward in the right direction.
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Are you all seriously comparing a D-League game to an NBA game? and The guy from the Lakers, has posted multiple double doubles this year. That is nuts to even compare. If you would like, I can go through the roster of the D-League teams and show you the amount of scrubs who play in those games vs the teams the Lakers Center has played against?
My comment was they are posting better numbers than Papa right now as in per game not averages. No rookie is going to have great numbers but just seeing them play in an actual game you can tell, esp if they are posting up double doubles. Papa cannot even play in an NBA game he is so bad.
My comment was they are posting better numbers than Papa right now as in per game not averages. No rookie is going to have great numbers but just seeing them play in an actual game you can tell, esp if they are posting up double doubles. Papa cannot even play in an NBA game he is so bad.
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Where did i say averages? I said scoring numbers in ACTUAL NBA games. As in they have posted better numbers in NBA games than he does in a D-League game
Malachi sure, but WCS? Seriously? He scores 13 points in a game now he belongs in the NBA? Papa is terrible. There are centers, who went in the same draft, scoring better numbers in actual NBA games than he does in the D-League. Skal has some potential to maybe be good one day, but it is a toss up
Malachi sure, but WCS? Seriously? He scores 13 points in a game now he belongs in the NBA? Papa is terrible. There are centers, who went in the same draft, scoring better numbers in actual NBA games than he does in the D-League. Skal has some potential to maybe be good one day, but it is a toss up
You left it open to interpretation by not being specific. Either way, you've still not pointed out specific players from the 2016 that are playing significantly better on a consistent basis than Papa is doing in the D-League right now.
Bottom line is I know you will not change your opinion, and that's fine. Luckily I think our player development people and the front office have a little better idea about our young players.
Bottom line is I know you will not change your opinion, and that's fine. Luckily I think our player development people and the front office have a little better idea about our young players.
BTW, did you or anyone for that fact even remotely expect that us loyal fans would ever be discussing the potential of Skal, Pappa, WCS, Malachi, and Bogdan? We are not only discussing them but keeping them in the loop as to players who might contribute. That's quite a haul over 2 years.
WCS could very likely be a role playing star which is what I expected all along. He will never be judged by how many points he scores. Malachi? I would like to see the season play out but I could wax hyperbolic and don't want to embarrass myself with my childish enthusiasm.
WCS could very likely be a role playing star which is what I expected all along. He will never be judged by how many points he scores. Malachi? I would like to see the season play out but I could wax hyperbolic and don't want to embarrass myself with my childish enthusiasm.
It was your criterion, not mine.
His name is Zubac, and again, the D-League vs. NBA was your criterion, not mine.
Per-game is an average, and per-game numbers are exactly the numbers that I asked you to use to back up the claim that you made. Not me. You.
The reason you were unable to back it up is that no rookie from the 2016 class, not a single one, not even one drafted above Papagiannis, is averaging 12.0 points per game in the NBA. You probably didn't realize that when you posted. Perhaps you should have checked first.
But, since you apparently want to move the goalpost and say that Zubac has done better in single games in the NBA than Papagiannis has in single games in the D-League, let me save you some time looking up stats that you will then not report. Zubac's top five scoring games in the NBA have been 16, 12, 11, 8, 6 points. Papagiannis' top five scoring games in the D-League have been 23, 19, 17, 16, 15 points. Zubac's best five rebounding games in the NBA have been 13, 10, 10, 5, 4 rebounds. Papagiannis' best five rebounding games in the D-League have been 15, 12, 12, 12, 10 rebounds.
So even if we don't look at per-game averages, but we look at individual games, you're still wrong.
It's not my fault that you are making claims that turn out to be wrong. Perhaps if you didn't come in here with the intention of accusing Vlade of being a poor GM with almost every single post you make, you wouldn't get so much pushback. If you didn't get so much pushback, you might not feel the need to back up your constantly-repeated opinion with unresearched "facts" that turn out to be wrong. If you didn't post unresearched "facts" that turn out to be wrong, I wouldn't feel the need to correct them. But hey, you made your bed, you gotta lay down in it.
His name is Zubac, and again, the D-League vs. NBA was your criterion, not mine.
Per-game is an average, and per-game numbers are exactly the numbers that I asked you to use to back up the claim that you made. Not me. You.
The reason you were unable to back it up is that no rookie from the 2016 class, not a single one, not even one drafted above Papagiannis, is averaging 12.0 points per game in the NBA. You probably didn't realize that when you posted. Perhaps you should have checked first.
But, since you apparently want to move the goalpost and say that Zubac has done better in single games in the NBA than Papagiannis has in single games in the D-League, let me save you some time looking up stats that you will then not report. Zubac's top five scoring games in the NBA have been 16, 12, 11, 8, 6 points. Papagiannis' top five scoring games in the D-League have been 23, 19, 17, 16, 15 points. Zubac's best five rebounding games in the NBA have been 13, 10, 10, 5, 4 rebounds. Papagiannis' best five rebounding games in the D-League have been 15, 12, 12, 12, 10 rebounds.
So even if we don't look at per-game averages, but we look at individual games, you're still wrong.
It's not my fault that you are making claims that turn out to be wrong. Perhaps if you didn't come in here with the intention of accusing Vlade of being a poor GM with almost every single post you make, you wouldn't get so much pushback. If you didn't get so much pushback, you might not feel the need to back up your constantly-repeated opinion with unresearched "facts" that turn out to be wrong. If you didn't post unresearched "facts" that turn out to be wrong, I wouldn't feel the need to correct them. But hey, you made your bed, you gotta lay down in it.
No. You don't get to turn the narrative like that. This is not about whether you like Vlade or not. This is not about how "terribly" you are being "persecuted" for having a different opinion. You keep trying to play that card for sympathy, and it's not going to work. The reason it's not going to work is not because you're not allowed to have that opinion - in fact, you are perfectly welcome to that opinion. The reason it's not going to work is that you have come in here, perpetually on blast, and aggressively rehashed the same opinion over and over and over and over and over. And people get really tired of it. You're like the petulant kid who screams "Mom! Mom! Mom!" 738 times in a row, except worse because you are (presumably) an adult and should (presumably) know better.
So again, this was not because you don't like Vlade. This was because you made a factually incorrect claim that I challenged you on. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you moved the bar and made a different, still factually incorrect claim that I once again pointed out was wrong. And then, instead of admitting you were wrong that time, you played the "poor me" card. No, not poor you. Poor the rest of us for having to put up with your one-note samba and trollish behavior all this time.
So again, this was not because you don't like Vlade. This was because you made a factually incorrect claim that I challenged you on. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you moved the bar and made a different, still factually incorrect claim that I once again pointed out was wrong. And then, instead of admitting you were wrong that time, you played the "poor me" card. No, not poor you. Poor the rest of us for having to put up with your one-note samba and trollish behavior all this time.
Thank you.
I had to remove him from ignore list since this thread kept popping up as "most recent" in the top forum folder, but still invisible within "all things Kings" when I try to access it since ignored member started it.
Can anything be done about this in the forum setup (to see posts in the threads started by ignored member)?
I had to remove him from ignore list since this thread kept popping up as "most recent" in the top forum folder, but still invisible within "all things Kings" when I try to access it since ignored member started it.
Can anything be done about this in the forum setup (to see posts in the threads started by ignored member)?
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