If Brooks is our 6th man next year we are in serious trouble. Nothing he has done in summer league this year should change people's opinion in what he's done over his career. He scored 34 in a Summer League game 2 years ago and still has the same issues with his game. If we somehow cleared out some roster spots with a trade, he'd be fine as an end-of-bench scorer.
The Official sign Eric Moreland Thread!
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Not to get too far ahead of ourselves here, but I really like what I've seen from Moreland in the Summer League so far. And he matches up VERY well to a guy that a lot of people have wanted to see next to DMC - Taj Gibson.
At the combine Gibson measured out at 6'8.5" (6'9.75" in shoes) with a 7'4" wingspan and 9'1" standing reach and weighed 214 lbs with 6.6% body fat.
Moreland measured out at 6'9" (6'10.25" in shoes) with a 7'3.5" wingspan and 9'2" standing reach and weighed 224 lbs with 7.9% body fat.
And their last two years of college stats are really similar as well with both playing in the Pac-12 so similar levels of competition.
Comparing their per 40 numbers (Gibson played a few more minutes per game) Gibson took more shots per game and shot a slightly higher percentage from the floor and also is the better FT shooter (though neither guy is great from the line Gibson shot 65% his last year of college vs Moreland's 57%) but Moreland averaged slightly more rebounds, steals and assists. Both guys were good shot blockers both averaging around 3.4 per 40 minutes.
Part of Moreland's drop was his suspension that cost him 14 games this year (as far as I know the reason for the suspension was never made public) and either staying the same or slightly regressing in most stats instead of taking the big jump forward that scouts wanted to see him make. And then he slid in the 2nd round because he was opposed to the idea of developing overseas.
Too soon to get too excited but there's a decent chance that the Kings might have discovered the type of solid, roleplaying PF that they need even if he's not ready to assume a big role just yet.
EDIT: Looking for more info on Moreland I was watching YouTube videos and funny enough in his interview with Golden State he says that the guy he watches and wants to emulate is . . . Taj Gibson. More importantly, he talked about developing his pick and pop, his jab step jumper etc so that he'd be a threat/effective offensively to go along with doing the dirty work on defense and the boards. He absolutely has the right attitude, at least in interviews and from what I've seen in summer league. Also seems to have a pretty good handle for a big with his skill set. Nice.
At the combine Gibson measured out at 6'8.5" (6'9.75" in shoes) with a 7'4" wingspan and 9'1" standing reach and weighed 214 lbs with 6.6% body fat.
Moreland measured out at 6'9" (6'10.25" in shoes) with a 7'3.5" wingspan and 9'2" standing reach and weighed 224 lbs with 7.9% body fat.
And their last two years of college stats are really similar as well with both playing in the Pac-12 so similar levels of competition.
Comparing their per 40 numbers (Gibson played a few more minutes per game) Gibson took more shots per game and shot a slightly higher percentage from the floor and also is the better FT shooter (though neither guy is great from the line Gibson shot 65% his last year of college vs Moreland's 57%) but Moreland averaged slightly more rebounds, steals and assists. Both guys were good shot blockers both averaging around 3.4 per 40 minutes.
Part of Moreland's drop was his suspension that cost him 14 games this year (as far as I know the reason for the suspension was never made public) and either staying the same or slightly regressing in most stats instead of taking the big jump forward that scouts wanted to see him make. And then he slid in the 2nd round because he was opposed to the idea of developing overseas.
Too soon to get too excited but there's a decent chance that the Kings might have discovered the type of solid, roleplaying PF that they need even if he's not ready to assume a big role just yet.
EDIT: Looking for more info on Moreland I was watching YouTube videos and funny enough in his interview with Golden State he says that the guy he watches and wants to emulate is . . . Taj Gibson. More importantly, he talked about developing his pick and pop, his jab step jumper etc so that he'd be a threat/effective offensively to go along with doing the dirty work on defense and the boards. He absolutely has the right attitude, at least in interviews and from what I've seen in summer league. Also seems to have a pretty good handle for a big with his skill set. Nice.
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If no major moves are made going into the season then our options for a sixth man are pretty limited. I expect Collison and Stauskas to start but if some reason the team started McCallum and/or McLemore then either of those guys could be the sixth man. Otherwise the best option for a consistent scoring threat off the bench is likely to be Carl Landry which I have very mixed feelings about.
In my mind Landry coming in and putting up solid to good numbers off the bench would enhance the chances of another team being willing to trade for him but I would assume that if Landry put up decent numbers the Kings' FO would take it as a sign that they were correct to sign him and not even consider shopping him.
We'll see.
In my mind Landry coming in and putting up solid to good numbers off the bench would enhance the chances of another team being willing to trade for him but I would assume that if Landry put up decent numbers the Kings' FO would take it as a sign that they were correct to sign him and not even consider shopping him.
We'll see.
It's a fair question to ask.
Justin Williams played roughly the same level of competition in the Big 10 as Moreland did in the Pac-12 and Williams blocked a lot more shots. 5.4 per game in his final season at Wisconsin.
Yeah, he measured a bit smaller than Moreland at 6 '7.25" with a 7' 1.5" wingspan and 9' 1" standing reach at 211 lbs but not troublingly smaller. Especially since he was a pogo stick, quick jumper with good timing on blocks. Williams looked good in the summer league too. And I was a fan. In his first year with the Kings he got sent to the D-League and put up just about 13 & 13 with over 3 blocks a game.
But like Whiteside, things just didn't click for him. He didn't have the best on court awareness and he often went out of his way to challenge shots at the expense of the team defense just like Hassan did. Still, he had the tools to be a useful roleplayer and was soon out of the league.
Moreland could follow the exact same trajectory. He's an undrafted but athletic big. Lots of teams passed on him and the deck is stacked against him. But like Williams, there definitely is something there to work with. And honestly, just from his interview I think he's got a better chance of succeeding if only because he says the right things and seems to be smarter than Williams (and Whiteside) was.
Justin Williams played roughly the same level of competition in the Big 10 as Moreland did in the Pac-12 and Williams blocked a lot more shots. 5.4 per game in his final season at Wisconsin.
Yeah, he measured a bit smaller than Moreland at 6 '7.25" with a 7' 1.5" wingspan and 9' 1" standing reach at 211 lbs but not troublingly smaller. Especially since he was a pogo stick, quick jumper with good timing on blocks. Williams looked good in the summer league too. And I was a fan. In his first year with the Kings he got sent to the D-League and put up just about 13 & 13 with over 3 blocks a game.
But like Whiteside, things just didn't click for him. He didn't have the best on court awareness and he often went out of his way to challenge shots at the expense of the team defense just like Hassan did. Still, he had the tools to be a useful roleplayer and was soon out of the league.
Moreland could follow the exact same trajectory. He's an undrafted but athletic big. Lots of teams passed on him and the deck is stacked against him. But like Williams, there definitely is something there to work with. And honestly, just from his interview I think he's got a better chance of succeeding if only because he says the right things and seems to be smarter than Williams (and Whiteside) was.
It didn't cost us much to give Justin Williams or Hassan Whiteside a shot. It didn't work out with those guys, but that doesn't mean Moreland won't work out. He's basically a free lottery ticket at this point. We don't really have room on our roster for a deep bench guard however they may impress in summer league -- with so much young talent there already they wouldn't ever get minutes anyway-- but we don't have anyone who gives us what Moreland potentially can at this point. I'd say that's worth a minimum contract and a roster spot and we'll see what happens from there.
That's exactly right. Nobody is anointing Moreland a starter just an intriguing possibility for down the road. If he made the roster he'd be an end of the bench guy. That said, the Kings currently have four or five PFs (Thompson, Evans, Landry, Acy and Derrick Williams as a SF/PF swing not to mention the kid from the PHX trade) none of whom have been ideal fits with Cousins. And two of whom (Evans and Acy) are free agents after the season. If Moreland impresses in camp then you sign him to a small deal and hope he develops. If he does you possibly have a diamond in the rough. If he doesn't then no harm, no foul.
But if he really could become a Taj Gibson like player then I think he'd be ideal to pair with Cousins. And at a flat out bargain rate, at least for now.
You're right. I said Wisconsin but it was Wyoming. Big difference between the Big 10 and the Mountain West.
But if he really could become a Taj Gibson like player then I think he'd be ideal to pair with Cousins. And at a flat out bargain rate, at least for now.
You're right. I said Wisconsin but it was Wyoming. Big difference between the Big 10 and the Mountain West.
First, we haven't got any shot-blocker or lights-out shooter in this team for a few years now. We have a potential shooter in Stauskas now. So, the only missing piece is that shot blocker.
Second, Regie Evans, JT, Landry, and whoever PF or C in this team will never be that shot-blocker BIG we need. We already know that. Even Cousins had confirmed by stating his desire for us to have another shot blocking BIG - meaning we've got none.
Third, we have very little cap space and it seems we don't have worthy assets to trade and get that shot-blocker BIG. If we have some, the FO could have acquired that shot-blocker BIG through trade by now.
Fourth, it is not as if there is an abundance of shot blocker BIGs in the market. We cannot be picky and shy away from gambling and taking an almost negligible risk in Moreland. This is a very low risk and a very high reward situation. If he does not pan out, we get rid of him.
Fifth, we need to add more excitement on this team this coming season. We need somebody tough to excite the whole team.
We need somebody to energize our defense even through facial expression only like...................................................................................................................................................................
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Second, Regie Evans, JT, Landry, and whoever PF or C in this team will never be that shot-blocker BIG we need. We already know that. Even Cousins had confirmed by stating his desire for us to have another shot blocking BIG - meaning we've got none.
Third, we have very little cap space and it seems we don't have worthy assets to trade and get that shot-blocker BIG. If we have some, the FO could have acquired that shot-blocker BIG through trade by now.
Fourth, it is not as if there is an abundance of shot blocker BIGs in the market. We cannot be picky and shy away from gambling and taking an almost negligible risk in Moreland. This is a very low risk and a very high reward situation. If he does not pan out, we get rid of him.
Fifth, we need to add more excitement on this team this coming season. We need somebody tough to excite the whole team.
We need somebody to energize our defense even through facial expression only like...................................................................................................................................................................
This man agrees
JT played on a team with one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Only 11 players averaged double digit rebounds last year. We had one of them. JT still had rebound numbers on par with Chris bosh, Roy hibbert, taj Gibson, Thad young, Tiago splitter ect...... JT only averaged 6 attempts a game at 50% nobody wants to look at attempts only total points. Same with minutes. I mean if JT shot 4 more times a game he then averages 12 pts a game. JT averages more blks than Blake griffin, Kevin love, Greg Monroe, Ed Davis,..
I say all that to say this if given the min and shot attempts JT would average the same as several players that are on everyone's wish list except JT is about 2 mil a year cheaper..
So no it would not lower his value.
I say all that to say this if given the min and shot attempts JT would average the same as several players that are on everyone's wish list except JT is about 2 mil a year cheaper..
So no it would not lower his value.
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