Skal Labissiere revisited

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by KingsFanSince85, Mar 4, 2017.

  1. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member

    Chriss is better than Skal. I've watched some of Phoenix this season, and Chriss is the best rookie of this class. I guess there's Brogdon too, but he's 5 years older than Chriss...

    Skal has flashed a lot, but Chriss is more athletic, skilled, and talented. On offense, Skal is limited to his mid-ranges and putbacks. Chriss can post up, hit mid ranges, face up and attack, shoot the 3 ball, and play above the rim. On defense, Chriss is also a better shotblocker.

    The only thing Skal does better than Chriss is rebound. I think we'll regret passing up on Chriss. He as all-star talents with superstar athleticism. Probably the smoothest and best athlete in the NBA.
  2. M_Barragan

    M_Barragan Active Member

    We haven't seen enough of either to answer this question. Athletically I believe they are on par with each other.
  3. hrdboild

    hrdboild Well-Known Member

    I like Chriss' potential a lot but I'm not upset about the trade. I had Skal ranked just a couple spots lower and we picked up Bogdanovic and Papagiannis in the deal too. Even if Chriss reaches his potential, if we got three solid rotation guys out of it I think it was a solid decision. If Bogdanovic stays overseas and Bam Bam never cracks the rotation than it starts to look a lot worse but I'm happy betting on Skal's potential. He's not a high flyer like Chriss but he's a lot more explosive than his skinny frame suggests and its hard to oversell the value of a bigman with an unblockable jumper and an instinct for blocking shots on the other end.
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  4. M_Barragan

    M_Barragan Active Member

    Do you guys remember Amare Stoudemire? Skal and Amare had identical athletic measurements at the same age... 32 inch standing 36.5 running. Chris for comparison's sake has a 32 inch standing and 38 inch running vert. (Skal is 2 inches longer) You guys are seriously underestimating the athletic gifts of Skal. He nearly hit his head on the rim blocking that shot last night. I mean how much more do you need?
  5. Kingsfan23

    Kingsfan23 Well-Known Member

    A lot of people seem to like to attack the things this franchise has going for it (Skal/Buddy most of all)). Do these folks want to believe we have no players on this roster?

    Skals body is fine. He's a 7 footer who has gained notably since camp
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  6. N0tmyfault

    N0tmyfault Active Member

    Skal is legit. The guy just has the "it" factor. It may be true that Chriss is legit and also has the "it" factor. Time will tell, but I think both sides will be satisfied with the end results, and I'm ok with that.

    My question is why was he not getting more PT alongside DMC? That's the frustrating part. If he was allegedly one of the 'top practice players' all year.
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  7. ESP47

    ESP47 Well-Known Member

    Was that Kobe or Skal on that fadeaway jumper? That was ridiculous. He must be shooting 80% from mid range at the moment.

    I think Skal didn't get playing time next to Cousins because he was much riskier than Kofous or Tolliver. They were right on the cusp of the playoffs so experimenting wasn't really in the cards since it looks like the final playoff spot is going to come down to a game or two.
  8. ppine

    ppine Well-Known Member

    He has plenty of talent. His limitation besides lack of experience is lack of strength. He gets pushed around and needs to get in the weight room, especially for the lower body.
  9. HighFlyingMonkey

    HighFlyingMonkey Well-Known Member

    Chriss has been horrible this year. There are like 5-6 guys who have been better this season from this class. Brogdan, Hield, Murray, Hernangomez, Jaylen Brown. Just because Chriss has gotten minutes doesn't mean he's been good
  10. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

  11. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member offense, but are you serious? Hield has been terrible for NO this year. Hield has been average at best with the Kings. Murray has sucked...I like Juan as much as the next guy, but to call him a better rookie than Chriss is insulting. I don't think Jaylen Brown has been better than Chriss.

    I really don't know what you have against Chriss, because he's seriously the best looking rookie right now. I guess you could put Brogdon over him, but Brogodn is 24, and Chriss is 19. 5 years older than him.

    Yeah, I'd like to see where any of those guys have done what Chriss has. Really not sure what you have against him to call him "horrible". And Chriss only started receiving big minutes as of late.
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  12. ppine

    ppine Well-Known Member

    I watched Chriss play at the UW. He has advanced skills, but is really young and only played one year in college. He is athletically gifted, but so is Skal. Both players are going to be really good but it takes years not months for them to get a level where they can really compete in the NBA.
  13. ppine

    ppine Well-Known Member

    I watched Chriss play at the UW. He has advanced skills, but is really young and only played one year in college. He is athletically gifted, but so is Skal. Both players are going to be really good but it takes years not months for them to get a level where they can really compete in the NBA.
  14. M_Barragan

    M_Barragan Active Member

    Chris is a promising prospect. Local kid too so i am rooting for him. But to say he is better then Skal at this point is premature to say the least. In my humble opinion Skal is the better player at this time merely because he already has a go to move. That fade away over both shoulders and he is shooting it at like an 80% rate? That shot can't be guarded and he is already showing he can make it at a good rate. Chris could be better in the future or Skal can continue to develop and separate himself further. He was a consensus top 2 pick just 2 years ago...
  15. Larry89

    Larry89 Disgruntled Kings Fan

    I haven't watched much of Chris this season but why does that matter? We picked Skal at 28.
  16. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    Because of reasons
  17. Kingz19

    Kingz19 Well-Known Member

    Kings traded Chriss for Papa, Bogdan, and Skal.
  18. allrightythen

    allrightythen Well-Known Member

    I get the Chriss comparison since that's who we traded away essentially to get Skal, but you have to consider Papagiannis and Bogdanovic in that as well. I think Chriss and Skal are comparable right now so if we get anything from the other 2 that trade is a win.

    If what we are seeing from Skal's jumper is legit I think he can be a very good scorer in the NBA and has solid defensive potential. He's got pretty high end potential in my opinion which has me pretty excited for the future. I get impatient with how Coach Joerger is slow-playing his development but it seems to be working so I'm on board right now.
  19. Glenn

    Glenn Well-Known Member Contributor

    Sehr gut! Let him develop the game he has and you will note his skinny little body is not much of a handicap. It may even contribute to some of his turn about moves. He doesn't have Boogie's game. He doesn't crash into groups of people. In fact, and I have been paying a little attention, when he enters the painted area, he is alone. It is silly to say but is the truth; he is a skinny and skilled athlete who has had that body all his life and seems to know what to do with it. I may be hyperbolic (what's new, Glenn) but he seems to know what to do and I will back up the comment 98% that he should work with what he has and not change his game just because he is tall. He can be stronger with a little weight work but he is not going to become the incredible hulk. Imagine if someone thought Durant should be a pf.
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  20. Glenn

    Glenn Well-Known Member Contributor

    I will pay attention to Chriss if I get the opportunity. He must be damn good but then every once in awhile Skal makes me giddy with pleasure. :) The trade got us Skal, Richardson, and Big Papa. It is difficult to judge the merits of the trade today. Wait a few years.
  21. hrdboild

    hrdboild Well-Known Member

    He skipped the athletic testing at the combine so I didn't know what his vertical leap measurements were. Appearances can be deceiving though. I remember everyone saying James Harden wasn't very explosive and then he posted a 37" max vertical. Some guys can jump out of the gym in drills and then you never see it in a game. It's usually how quick you can get off the ground that matters more in a game context and whether you need to set yourself first and use both feet for lift. I think with Chriss the athleticism is seen more in games -- he's often on the wrong side of wreckless in fact -- whereas Skal is more deliberate in his movements. He obviously has the athleticism when he needs it though and that's particularly apparent on the boards.

    Both guys are great athletes (Skal and Chriss) so you're right that's it's not really worth quibbling about. What has me really excited about Skal is that he's so fluid with the ball -- that is to say he doesn't look like a typical big man. Whether he backs down or faces up, he's moving more like a wing than a 7 footer. You don't see him thinking moves out in advance. And with that jumper... usually you see 7 footers sling the ball at the basket and he's actually got a jumpshot worthy of the name. He was unfairly overlooked by a lot of teams in the draft because he's not built like a tank and his skillset doesn't fall easily into a simple role. But the potential there is staggering if he can add enough strength to hold his position without sacrificing any of that fluidity. If he played in New York instead of Sacramento right now and got 30 minutes per game we might be hearing rumblings of Porzingis hype about him. I don't think he needs to try to be anyone else though, he's got his own unique thing going on and I'm excited about watching him develop it further.
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  22. Larry89

    Larry89 Disgruntled Kings Fan

    If anything, Skal might turn into a Marc Gasol type high post skilled player in the mold of when Joeger coached Memphis..
  23. Folsomkingsfan

    Folsomkingsfan Active Member

    I like Chriss a lot, but you're definitely jumping the gun here. He has shown flashes here and there, but he is still too raw to evaluate. He's had some nice games and is solid defensivly, but his shooting %'s are low across the board. He's also an underwhelming rebounder right now.

    He's also not the best rookie. Embiid was before he went down and now it is Dario Saric by a mile. Peep his game log. Last 10 games he's averaging about 20/10/3.

    To me Skal and Chriss are about equal. Skal has only received playing time as of late and is already showing he can hit the turn around fade way and the left handed hook in the paint. It takes some players years to be able to do those moves consistency.
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  24. Larry89

    Larry89 Disgruntled Kings Fan

    Skal is a pretty good defender, gets a little lost sometimes but provides some shotblocking and rebounding/weakside help. Reminds me alot of a taller albeit less bulkier Jermaine O Neal/Bosh.
  25. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Yeah, your spot on. Chriss has had some good moments, but in general, he's looked like a fish out of water way too often for me to tout him as the being a success. Skal, in his limited minutes has looked far better than Chriss in general. There are times when Chriss appears totally lost on defense and on offense. Of course there are times when the entire Sun's team looks lost. I wasn't that high on Chriss prior to the draft, and if anything, he's been a disappointment. The one area where Skal stands out over Chriss is BBIQ. Skal has a much better feel for the game.

    With all that, I'm not saying I dislike Chriss. Just, that at the moment, based on what I've seen so far, I'd choose Skal over Chriss. It's a very small body of work to go on with Skal, but he has shown signs of being star material. I just don't see that in Chriss. Now in fairness to Chriss, Skal hasn't had to guard Cousins. OK. Chriss couldn't guard Cousins, but then not many can.
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  26. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I was talking to my son yesterday and I said that Skal reminded me a little bit of LaMarcus Aldridge, and a little bit of Chris Bosh. And please folks, I'm not saying that Skal will be that good, it's just that his offensive game is similar. Lets see what happens when Skal gets the attention of opposing teams, and they start setting up their defense to make life more difficult for him. That's where Willie is right now, figuring out how to adjust since teams are trying to take away the P&R from him.

    It's all a learning experience folks... And, it takes time.
  27. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    I had some huge arguments with people on this forum about both Harden and Blake Griffin. For some reason some people thought Harden wasn't that athletic, and I thought man, have you actually watched the dude play. Same with Griffin, who in college would usually play at a medium speed, but if you saw him play enough, you'd see he could explode to the basket if he needed to. Same with Harden. Some players wear their athleticism on their sleeve, and some others, like Harden and Griffin hit the gas only when necessary.

    While we don't have Skal's max vertical from the combine, Kentucky holds a pro day every year where they run all the Kentucky players through the same drills they run at the combine, and Skal posted 35 inch vertical. He also posted a 9% body fat at Kentucky's Pro day, but at the combine he reduced to 5% body fat. So take that for what its worth. I think we all know there's nothing wrong with Skal's jumping ability. He's very quick off his feet.

    And my vote for ROY right now would be Saric first and Brogdan second. So were in agreement on that one.
  28. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Yeah, the last thing I worry about is strength. I'm sure Skal has regular workouts with the Kings strength and conditioning coach. And, with normal progression will get stronger has he matures. Obviously Skal doesn't have the frame to pile muscle on, but he can probably carry another 10 to 15 pounds of muscle as he gets older without hampering his game. Right now, he has a fairly advanced game for a 6'11" rookie. If you were to compare him to our own 6'11" Jason Thompson, who was a senior coming to the Kings, he can do things that Thompson couldn't do at that time.
  29. The_Jamal

    The_Jamal Well-Known Member

    Skal is already the much better defender. Chriss has a LONG LONG LONG way to go on that end. He's probably the most "handsy" player in the NBA and he's struggled with basically every player who's gone up against him. None of his athletic gifts have helped him in any manner on that end.

    Skal on the other hand is making bench bigs look like chumps. 22% USG, 60% TS, 19% TRB, 31% FTR. That's all-star level production quite frankly.

    Now there's definetly small sample size problems with Skal and there's a big difference in evaluating 1200 minutes vs 150 minutes for a rookie, but Skal looks far more polished in his limited time than Chriss has. Chriss has the higher upside because of his athletic gifts, but he's so far behind on actually knowing how to play the game.
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  30. The_Jamal

    The_Jamal Well-Known Member

    Yeah, this is what I hope we get to see more of at the end of the season. Him getting exposure to guarding starting bigs and some of the better offensive players in the game. It's easy to bag on Chriss's lack of defense, but we also haven't seen Skal have to guard the same caliber of players that he has.

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