[Game] Sacramento Kings (3) @ Golden State Warriors (6) (WCDS Game 3, 2-0) 4/20/2023 7:00pm Pacific 10:00pm Eastern (TNT)
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Kings are 5-3 this year in Sunday matinees according to Will Z. That’s good news because I felt like we were not great in those early games.
also, all the pressure is on Golden state to win this Sunday. 1-3 series starts are historically hard to come back from. It’s been done but better to be on the other side of that one.
also, all the pressure is on Golden state to win this Sunday. 1-3 series starts are historically hard to come back from. It’s been done but better to be on the other side of that one.
Huerter Barnes & Murray shot a combined 39.6% from 3 during the regular season and are collectively shooting 19% this series. You can't reinvent the offense in three days just because they're in a slump. If this continues we'd better invest heavily in some sports psychologists and other specialists to figure out what went wrong. But when shooters are missing open looks you just gotta keep going to them until shots start to fall.
You can surely adjust. Take the ball to the basket. The KINGS have at least 2 players really good at that very thing.
That said, I still haven't seen the KINGS design a play specifically to get Murray an open shot. They've done it for Huerter. Now try it for Murray a few times. Even for MM too. Most of Monk's attempts are 1on1.
That said, I still haven't seen the KINGS design a play specifically to get Murray an open shot. They've done it for Huerter. Now try it for Murray a few times. Even for MM too. Most of Monk's attempts are 1on1.
I cannot understand, let alone relate to, this thinking at all. I just really, really don't get it. With all due respect, why even bother to be a fan if you are willing to throw in the towel if the series is tied? Seriously - is this what you teach your kids? Where is you heart?!? I mean honestly. If the players had this attitude, we'd be a 20 game winner every year.
I rooted for the Kings through 20+ odd losing seasons and never once did I give up on them by having this attitude. We screamed our patooties off almost no matter the score of any game back in the day. And I mean the DAY. Like Arco 1 days.
This new breed of doomsdayers seems like a foreign species to me. Makes me sad.
I rooted for the Kings through 20+ odd losing seasons and never once did I give up on them by having this attitude. We screamed our patooties off almost no matter the score of any game back in the day. And I mean the DAY. Like Arco 1 days.
This new breed of doomsdayers seems like a foreign species to me. Makes me sad.
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I don't think this can be overstated enough. Individual 3 point shooting in the playoffs for guys playing at least 10 minutes:
Fox: 9-27 (33%) Season- 32.4%
Monk: 5-15 (33%) Season- 36%
Lyles: 4-12 (33%) Season- 36%
Mitchell: 4-13 (31%) Season- 32%
Barnes: 4-14 (28%) Season- 37%
Davis: 1-4 (25%) Season- 37%
Huerter: 3-20 (15%) Season- 40%
Keegan: 1-8 (13%) Season- 41%
Domas: 0-2 (0%) Season- 37%
Observations:
1) Only Fox is shooting better than his season average, and just barely. And he is shooting such a high volume. I don't think Fox shooting 9 threes per game at 33% clip (which is his average) is a winning formula.
2) Lyles hasn't hit a three since Game 1. He is 0-6 in Games 2 and 3.
3) Barnes hit two threes later after the game was mostly decided that has salvaged his line (a bit). Still, 4-14 looks better than the 2-11 he was sitting on before that.
4) Monk (as always) is streaky. 5-11 the first two games and followed by 0-4 last night. It seems like we might go as Monk goes in this series.
5) Saving the worst for last. Keegan and Huerter are a combined 4-28. That is the single easiest place for us to get better. They both made over 200 threes and shot over 40%. Both have had many decent looks. This has to change if we want to win. In the regular season they averaged a combined 5.3 threes per game. They have hit 4 total in 3 games, and one was a garbage time three by Keegan.
Fox: 9-27 (33%) Season- 32.4%
Monk: 5-15 (33%) Season- 36%
Lyles: 4-12 (33%) Season- 36%
Mitchell: 4-13 (31%) Season- 32%
Barnes: 4-14 (28%) Season- 37%
Davis: 1-4 (25%) Season- 37%
Huerter: 3-20 (15%) Season- 40%
Keegan: 1-8 (13%) Season- 41%
Domas: 0-2 (0%) Season- 37%
Observations:
1) Only Fox is shooting better than his season average, and just barely. And he is shooting such a high volume. I don't think Fox shooting 9 threes per game at 33% clip (which is his average) is a winning formula.
2) Lyles hasn't hit a three since Game 1. He is 0-6 in Games 2 and 3.
3) Barnes hit two threes later after the game was mostly decided that has salvaged his line (a bit). Still, 4-14 looks better than the 2-11 he was sitting on before that.
4) Monk (as always) is streaky. 5-11 the first two games and followed by 0-4 last night. It seems like we might go as Monk goes in this series.
5) Saving the worst for last. Keegan and Huerter are a combined 4-28. That is the single easiest place for us to get better. They both made over 200 threes and shot over 40%. Both have had many decent looks. This has to change if we want to win. In the regular season they averaged a combined 5.3 threes per game. They have hit 4 total in 3 games, and one was a garbage time three by Keegan.
One other observation. 5 bench guys played at least 8 minutes last night (Monk, Mitchell, Lyles, Len and Davis). They combined to go:
4-25 FG
2-17 3PT
16 points
16 rebounds
6 assists
1 steals and blocks
75 minutes
Compare that to those 5 players in Games 1 and 2.
Game 2
13-29 FG
5-15 3pt
36 points
14 boards
7 assists
4 steals and blocks
82 minutes
Game 1
17-26 FG
7-12 3pt
55 points
17 rebounds
7 assists
3 steals and blocks
82 minutes
I don't think we can expect a Game 1 type bench performance, but I think the difference between the bench in Games 1 and 2 is the difference between winning and losing.
4-25 FG
2-17 3PT
16 points
16 rebounds
6 assists
1 steals and blocks
75 minutes
Compare that to those 5 players in Games 1 and 2.
Game 2
13-29 FG
5-15 3pt
36 points
14 boards
7 assists
4 steals and blocks
82 minutes
Game 1
17-26 FG
7-12 3pt
55 points
17 rebounds
7 assists
3 steals and blocks
82 minutes
I don't think we can expect a Game 1 type bench performance, but I think the difference between the bench in Games 1 and 2 is the difference between winning and losing.
I cannot understand, let alone relate to, this thinking at all. I just really, really don't get it. With all due respect, why even bother to be a fan if you are willing to throw in the towel if the series is tied? Seriously - is this what you teach your kids? Where is you heart?!? I mean honestly. If they players had this attitude, we'd be a 20 game winner every year.
I rooted for the Kings through 20+ odd losing seasons and never once did I give up on them by having this attitude. We screamed our patooties off almost no matter the score of any game back in the day. And I mean the DAY. Like Arco 1 days.
This new breed of doomsdayers seems like a foreign species to me. Makes me sad.
I rooted for the Kings through 20+ odd losing seasons and never once did I give up on them by having this attitude. We screamed our patooties off almost no matter the score of any game back in the day. And I mean the DAY. Like Arco 1 days.
This new breed of doomsdayers seems like a foreign species to me. Makes me sad.
WE are the ones who will have two home games (potentially) if this series is tied 2-2 after Sunday, and NOT THEM.
This series is NOT OVER, folks; Not even close. Especially for the Kings.
I know they were down GPII and Dray, but man. This just isn't the same powerhouse Warriors club. They would have buried us a few years back if we came with this effort in the playoffs and it would have been over by half-time. We still had a shot to go win this game in the 4th quarter, despite an absolute refusal to hit a shot.
Really comes down to the Kings league best offense showing up and I think we win this series. We're just the better team if we play up to the standard we've set this season. Nothing I've seen from the Warriors so far this series is that they're just far and away better than we are.
Really comes down to the Kings league best offense showing up and I think we win this series. We're just the better team if we play up to the standard we've set this season. Nothing I've seen from the Warriors so far this series is that they're just far and away better than we are.
The funny thing about this post is that this series reminds me a lot of the start of the Adelman era, when the Kings met up with Utah in the first round. The Jazz were not quite done, but were clearly on the tail end of their relevancy. And they were ultimately able to rely on guile and experience to get past the Kings in that series, but every time they met after that, the Jazz got smacked.
I think, like that series did for those Kings, this series will make these Kings a much better team, in the long run. And in three years, when Fox and Sabonis are at the respective peaks of their prowess, and Steph and Klay are dried up husks of themselves, and Draymond is getting overpaid by some other team, and they're counting on Poole, Moody and Kuminga to keep the torch lit, it's going to be a whole different story.
I think, like that series did for those Kings, this series will make these Kings a much better team, in the long run. And in three years, when Fox and Sabonis are at the respective peaks of their prowess, and Steph and Klay are dried up husks of themselves, and Draymond is getting overpaid by some other team, and they're counting on Poole, Moody and Kuminga to keep the torch lit, it's going to be a whole different story.
The big difference here is Kings have home court so they have a legit shot at advancing, but otherwise it parallels 1999 perfectly.
The wild thing is I said at some point we advanced past that 99 squad - and that's reflected in the HCA - so let's see what we can do with it. I ain't gonna cry either way though because barring some major career suicide move by Monte I expect him to play things at least as cool as Petrie did for the next year or two rather than be a cautionary tale for future GMs like we've seen with orgs that pushed all their chips in a season or two too early.
btw this part:
I'm sorry but LOL
The wild thing is I said at some point we advanced past that 99 squad - and that's reflected in the HCA - so let's see what we can do with it. I ain't gonna cry either way though because barring some major career suicide move by Monte I expect him to play things at least as cool as Petrie did for the next year or two rather than be a cautionary tale for future GMs like we've seen with orgs that pushed all their chips in a season or two too early.
btw this part:
I'm sorry but LOL
I think, and to @pdxKingsFan's point, Monte knows very well what he currently has, and what the potential is of what he currently has. It would be nice to be able to acquire another perennial all star to put next to Domas and Fox (i.e. create a "Big Three"), but I don't expect Monte to be the type who will throw ALL of his "young" chips into progressing such a deal. He is a lot more conservative than most general managers out there. And, it has seemed to have worked out well for him up until now, and I don't really see that changing in the near future.
We are, indeed, well past that 99 squad. I think we're a lot closer to that 2022 Western Conference Finals squad than we are to any other squad prior to that year. Even if we fall to the Warriors, we're still well past the 99 squad.
We are, indeed, well past that 99 squad. I think we're a lot closer to that 2022 Western Conference Finals squad than we are to any other squad prior to that year. Even if we fall to the Warriors, we're still well past the 99 squad.
Davion and Keegan are untradable imo - not in the way stars are - but in the way that they have far too much upside (in our org), than they would command in the trade market. Because we have invested in them, we are more likely to be the ones to be able to realize their value. Petrie had exquisite time when trading players. They always seemed to fall off a cliff once they left here - and they frequently blew up when they came here. Monte seems to have a similar skill. I don't see really any of our top 9-10 guys being dealt unless the deal of the century comes along. I see the addition of small additional pieces like Kessler, etc. to help us take the next step, while our core guys develop, before Monte considers making a big splashy move.
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