Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker

[pdxKingsFan]

But why are they selective? Ideally you do both at the same time. Get a better option AND develop a replacement if you can.

Because I am not sure there is a realistic better option there are different options, some of which are very expensive and may be guys we want to get off just as quickly. I guess the idea is you have HB mentor that replacement because the team really likes HB beyond his obvious contributions. I'm worried we'd get in a position where we'd move 3 or more players for one guy who we still complain about and eats a ton of space.

 

[SacTownKid]

Holmes is a cautionary tale but I don’t think an energy big and a wing who can shoot as well as HB does are comparable. Two of Monk, Barnes and KVon will likely not be back next year. Or at the very least gone by the deadline. If Monk leaves, you will likely need either of those remaining players for bench scoring punch. Don’t know who that will be yet

A cautionary tale anyone with a sense of context could see coming. They are (a wing compared to a big) when their role is diminished in the same way. Twice the price, twice the payoff and expectation. If Monte can move off of Huerter fine, keep Barnes but if not, no way. Preferably both are gone at this point.

 

[iowamcnabb]

A cautionary tale anyone with a sense of context could see coming. They are (a wing compared to a big) when their role is diminished in the same way. Twice the price, twice the payoff and expectation. If Monte can move off of Huerter fine, keep Barnes but if not, no way. Preferably both are gone at this point.

Both KVon and Barnes are assets either for their play or their contracts. We aren’t close to the luxury if Monk leaves. Both are short term contracts. Monte will trade them if he can get what he wants back. If Siakam didn’t want a max he would be a King right now, Amick said as much.

I’m willing to trade HB, KVon or both but it just depends on what is out there. If it’s mostly lateral moves available I’d rather either pick at 13 or if there is like say a Dean Wade type player available who shoots well and is a stud defensively maybe you could use #13 and depth salary pieces like Duarte, Sasha etc to make a deal. Then use the midlevel on a short term back up point guard.

Fox Delon Wright Colby
Keon KVon
Keegan HB
Upgrade Lyles
Sabonis Len

I’d give Keegan one year to prove where he is in the pecking order. If we don’t have the year we want, now you have 2 expiring contracts (KVon HB) and first round picks ‘25 either outright or select and trade, ‘28, ‘30 and ‘32 if needed. Big swing trade if that’s what is needed.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Anyone know what the deal is with the new CBA and midlevel exceptions? Deuce just said something like they could be rollled into a trade? Does he mean used as salary matching? Bringing in a player via trade without sending salary out?

 

[twslam07]

I was looking into some “trade back” scenarios and was wondering if these two ideas might make some sense…

TRADE #1
Jonathan Isaac
#18

for

Kevin Huerter
#13


TRADE #2
Deni Avdija
#26

for

Kevin Huerter
#13



Both trades upgrade our PF spot but still leave us an opportunity to draft someone like Chomche, Klintman, Da Silva, etc with our 1st.

I’m not too sure if WAS would be willing to move Avdija (let alone add a late 1st to him) but for a team that is in desperate need of some top end talent, they might interested in another lottery pick to give them two swings at finding a star level talent. Avdija is also locked up for the next 4 years on a declining contract that pays an average of $13.75 mil per year. He’d only be making $11.875 mil in the final year of his contract.

EDIT: And Avdija scored 43 points against the Pelicans this year

 

[funkykingston]

I was looking into some “trade back” scenarios and was wondering if these two ideas might make some sense…

TRADE #1
Jonathan Isaac
#18

for

Kevin Huerter
#13


TRADE #2
Deni Avdija
#26

for

Kevin Huerter
#13



Both trades upgrade our PF spot but still leave us an opportunity to draft someone like Chomche, Klintman, Da Silva, etc with our 1st.

I’m not too sure if WAS would be willing to move Avdija (let alone add a late 1st to him) but for a team that is in desperate need of some top end talent, they might interested in another lottery pick to give them two swings at finding a star level talent. Avdija is also locked up for the next 4 years on a declining contract that pays an average of $13.75 mil per year. He’d only be making $11.875 mil in the final year of his contract.

EDIT: And Avdija scored 43 points against the Pelicans this year

I'd do either deal in a heartbeat. I don't know if the Magic or the Wizards would. While the results haven't been good, Orlando just started Isaac in their two playoff games against the Cavs.

Avdija is more of a mystery. The current Wizards front office/coaching staff have no ties to him (I don't believe) and as bad as this team has been I'm guessing Coulibaly and whoever they draft this year are the only pieces they really care about moving forward.

This is a tough year for a trade back because the draft is weak. I'm not sure there's much of a talent gap in terms of who will be available at #13 and #18. The move from 26 to 13 has a bit more value as I think the 1st round thins out in the early 20s, just based on who I like most.

 

[ick300]

I was looking into some “trade back” scenarios and was wondering if these two ideas might make some sense…

TRADE #1
Jonathan Isaac
#18

for

Kevin Huerter
#13


TRADE #2
Deni Avdija
#26

for

Kevin Huerter
#13



Both trades upgrade our PF spot but still leave us an opportunity to draft someone like Chomche, Klintman, Da Silva, etc with our 1st.

I’m not too sure if WAS would be willing to move Avdija (let alone add a late 1st to him) but for a team that is in desperate need of some top end talent, they might interested in another lottery pick to give them two swings at finding a star level talent. Avdija is also locked up for the next 4 years on a declining contract that pays an average of $13.75 mil per year. He’d only be making $11.875 mil in the final year of his contract.

EDIT: And Avdija scored 43 points against the Pelicans this year

only for that we have to offer him the largest possible contract and take him

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I'd do either deal in a heartbeat. I don't know if the Magic or the Wizards would. While the results haven't been good, Orlando just started Isaac in their two playoff games against the Cavs.

Avdija is more of a mystery. The current Wizards front office/coaching staff have no ties to him (I don't believe) and as bad as this team has been I'm guessing Coulibaly and whoever they draft this year are the only pieces they really care about moving forward.

This is a tough year for a trade back because the draft is weak. I'm not sure there's much of a talent gap in terms of who will be available at #13 and #18. The move from 26 to 13 has a bit more value as I think the 1st round thins out in the early 20s, just based on who I like most.

I'll be honest most of what I know of Avdija comes from NBA 2k but I think I would do this. Who knows what WAS is doing.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I'd do either deal in a heartbeat. I don't know if the Magic or the Wizards would. While the results haven't been good, Orlando just started Isaac in their two playoff games against the Cavs.

Avdija is more of a mystery. The current Wizards front office/coaching staff have no ties to him (I don't believe) and as bad as this team has been I'm guessing Coulibaly and whoever they draft this year are the only pieces they really care about moving forward.

This is a tough year for a trade back because the draft is weak. I'm not sure there's much of a talent gap in terms of who will be available at #13 and #18. The move from 26 to 13 has a bit more value as I think the 1st round thins out in the early 20s, just based on who I like most.

I’d be willing to go even further and give up #13 and the likely valuable second rounder from Portland we have next year for Deni. I don’t know how Washington sees him either but if they intend to keep Kuzma for a couple more years, maybe they are willing to extract value out of an extra forward. That could end up being one of the best value contracts in the league if he just repeats last year’s performance.

 

[jiimbob]

I was looking into some “trade back” scenarios and was wondering if these two ideas might make some sense…

TRADE #1
Jonathan Isaac
#18

for

Kevin Huerter
#13


TRADE #2
Deni Avdija
#26

for

Kevin Huerter
#13



Both trades upgrade our PF spot but still leave us an opportunity to draft someone like Chomche, Klintman, Da Silva, etc with our 1st.

I’m not too sure if WAS would be willing to move Avdija (let alone add a late 1st to him) but for a team that is in desperate need of some top end talent, they might interested in another lottery pick to give them two swings at finding a star level talent. Avdija is also locked up for the next 4 years on a declining contract that pays an average of $13.75 mil per year. He’d only be making $11.875 mil in the final year of his contract.

EDIT: And Avdija scored 43 points against the Pelicans this year

Great suggestions to improve our needs.
I think this draft has more potential than most, and would also like to see Huerter gone more than most.

 

[kingdivac]

Toppin is a restricted free agent - looks pretty good off the Pacers bench of late. Pacers probably will match any offer though - so could be a bidding war.

 

[Tetsujin]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1789368733179277611

third overall odds to get BI this summer

 

[iowamcnabb]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1789368733179277611

third overall odds to get BI this summer

I keep seeing the Magic connected with forwards, I don’t get it. Are they planning on starting Paulo at center? I suppose they could start Franz at the 2 but he isn’t a very good shooter.

 

[twslam07]

I keep seeing the Magic connected with forwards, I don’t get it. Are they planning on starting Paulo at center? I suppose they could start Franz at the 2 but he isn’t a very good shooter.

I would think the idea would be that Ingram is the SG considering his ability to handle and pass while also being a bean pole. In fact, Basketball Reference says he played ~70% of his minutes at SG the last 2 seasons which isn’t too surprising since the Pelicans have been finding minutes for all of Ingram, Jones, Zion, Murphy, and Marshall.

A Suggs-Ingram-Wagner-Banchero-??? lineup still lacks a true playmaker/point guard, but perhaps they’re thinking the playmaking can be shared across all 4 of those guys.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I would think the idea would be that Ingram is the SG considering his ability to handle and pass while also being a bean pole. In fact, Basketball Reference says he played ~70% of his minutes at SG the last 2 seasons which isn’t too surprising since the Pelicans have been finding minutes for all of Ingram, Jones, Zion, Murphy, and Marshall.

I suppose but part of the reason they would move off him is because of poor fit with Zion. I guess I’m skeptical that a Banchero/Wagner/ Ingram wing trio would work well. Insanely talented though so who knows

 

[twslam07]

I suppose but part of the reason they would move off him is because of poor fit with Zion. I guess I’m skeptical that a Banchero/Wagner/ Ingram wing trio would work well. Insanely talented though so who knows

Yeah I mean the only big difference would be that all 3 of those guys can handle, pass, and shoot (to a certain extent). Zion’s outside shot is basically non-existent.

 

[kingsboi]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1789368733179277611

third overall odds to get BI this summer

odds don't equate to moves

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I will be the first to admit I wasn't excited about Domas up until he donned the Kings uniform but I want nothing to do with BI.

 

[Noble]

I still want Mo Wagner

 

[CarlosBob]

I want Monte gives Dzanan Musa a second chance in the NBA. He is a great player here in Europe, more suited for the NBA than Vezenkov and I think he is better than Duarte for the backup SF role. He has one more year left with Real Madrid but can go free if any NBA team is interesested.

 

[KainLear]

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nb...ach-lavine-trade-market-draft-targets/565962/


The Bulls’ asking price for Zach LaVine has dropped significantly, per @KCJHoop
(https://nbcsportschicago.com/nba/chicago-bulls/bulls-analysis/bulls-mailbag-zach-lavine-trade-market-draft-targets/565962/). Both sides have increased desires on making a trade happen this offseason. With LaVine’s market barely materializing, it appears Chicago might be willing to simply perform a salary dump deal.

 

[The_Jamal]

https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nb...ach-lavine-trade-market-draft-targets/565962/


The Bulls’ asking price for Zach LaVine has dropped significantly, per @KCJHoop
(https://nbcsportschicago.com/nba/chicago-bulls/bulls-analysis/bulls-mailbag-zach-lavine-trade-market-draft-targets/565962/). Both sides have increased desires on making a trade happen this offseason. With LaVine’s market barely materializing, it appears Chicago might be willing to simply perform a salary dump deal.

Hb and Huerter isn't a salary dump. I'd want assets back for taking him on

 

[kingsboi]

Hb and Huerter isn't a salary dump. I'd want assets back for taking him on

include Caruso or Pat Williams and there may be something there

 

[SacTownKid]

Hb and Huerter isn't a salary dump. I'd want assets back for taking him on

With where both are headed it seems fair. It's a gamble but if Monte can't find any other deals this summer the pay off might be worth it. I can see some of the Kings direct competition looking at him.

 

[The_Jamal]

With where both are headed it seems fair. It's a gamble but if Monte can't find any other deals this summer the pay off might be worth it. I can see some of the Kings direct competition looking at him.

So? Look how poorly Beal turned out. Same exact kind of deal here, with LaVine's injury history.

 

[cwebb2002]

So? Look how poorly Beal turned out. Same exact kind of deal here, with LaVine's injury history.

Not to mention Levine would take Huerters spot in the rotation, but the biggest need for upgrade is HB spot, now you lose him too without a viable replacement anywhere on the horizon amd still have a high probability to lose Monk. So you lose monk, HB, Kvon and replace them with a walking ad for BandAid and IceyHot? Lets leave the fact that even when healthy, he cant replicate all 3. As you point out, a big name does not replace multiple solid players, especially when injured.

To even consider levine for HB/Kvon, i need Caruso or Pat Williams (but i think Pat Williams is a RFA meaning getting him needs to be a S/T and i think he is seeking ~$20-22M/yr x 4yrs which frankly, he's not worth). Even with caruso, you have to send out $47-50M in contracts (minimum) so probably throw in a 2 additional players, likely Duarte and any combo or Davion/Sasha/Lyles too make it work. Just seems to busy for not much payout and hamstrining your future for 3 years. AND both incoming guys are injury prone.

 

[ESP47]

I know he would never agree to it but I'd rather start Keon and use LaVine as the 6th man if Monk leaves.

 

[SacTownKid]

So? Look how poorly Beal turned out. Same exact kind of deal here, with LaVine's injury history.

Yeah, but that's why they are cheap. And how poorly? The Suns made it farther than the Kings so what's the difference with where the Kings sit? Beal just has to stay healthy and as the season wore on he basically did. 18, 5, and 5 on 51% shooting and 43% from 3 isn't poor by any stretch for a 3rd option. Certainly better than anyone on the Kings in that slot. Crazy overpaid for sure, but just wait and see what the Suns do first. Plenty of people were writing the Mavs off too. Lets hope the Suns don't find footing but if they do it's going to hurt every other team around that 6-10 range like the Kings are.

 

[SacTownKid]

Not to mention Levine would take Huerters spot in the rotation, but the biggest need for upgrade is HB spot, now you lose him too without a viable replacement anywhere on the horizon amd still have a high probability to lose Monk. So you lose monk, HB, Kvon and replace them with a walking ad for BandAid and IceyHot? Lets leave the fact that even when healthy, he cant replicate all 3. As you point out, a big name does not replace multiple solid players, especially when injured.

To even consider levine for HB/Kvon, i need Caruso or Pat Williams (but i think Pat Williams is a RFA meaning getting him needs to be a S/T and i think he is seeking ~$20-22M/yr x 4yrs which frankly, he's not worth). Even with caruso, you have to send out $47-50M in contracts (minimum) so probably throw in a 2 additional players, likely Duarte and any combo or Davion/Sasha/Lyles too make it work. Just seems to busy for not much payout and hamstrining your future for 3 years. AND both incoming guys are injury prone.

That's why is a gamble though. If LaVine comes back to his level of play you're talking about easily the 2nd best player on the team behind Fox. If he doesn't come all the way back and can still be a 20 per game guy you're likely still better or at least still in the same play in level you were regardless.

I've said this before, but the Kings need TALENT. If the Kings can find an all star level talent in any position other than PG/C then the Kings can then potentially slot in role guys next to them. That's how you do it historically. Slotting in need guys can fill holes but if it damages your overall talent level it might not do much in the end . Look at the Kings end of season run for example. The Kings changed up personnel, went from worst defensive team to best, and the end result was a team still hovering around .500 in the 10 game outlooks. Keon obviously makes it more difficult to add a LaVine but Brown is running 3 guard lineups anyway. Fox, Keon, LaVine is bigger than almost any other incarnation the Kings have run prior so that's still an upgrade.

 

[cwebb2002]

That's why is a gamble though. If LaVine comes back to his level of play you're talking about easily the 2nd best player on the team behind Fox. If he doesn't come all the way back and can still be a 20 per game guy you're likely still better or at least still in the same play in level you were regardless.

I've said this before, but the Kings need TALENT. If the Kings can find an all star level talent in any position other than PG/C then the Kings can then potentially slot in role guys next to them. That's how you do it historically. Slotting in need guys can fill holes but if it damages your overall talent level it might not do much in the end . Look at the Kings end of season run for example. The Kings changed up personnel, went from worst defensive team to best, and the end result was a team still hovering around .500 in the 10 game outlooks. Keon obviously makes it more difficult to add a LaVine but Brown is running 3 guard lineups anyway. Fox, Keon, LaVine is bigger than almost any other incarnation the Kings have run prior so that's still an upgrade.

Problem is not levine, problem is that levine even at his best, cannot equal Barnes, Monk and Huerter. So you still need to get more back. Then theres the finances. $43M/yr you need to put more. Than huerter and barnes to get levine alone. He isn't worth that. Go for mikal bridges or grant instead.