Kreidler- Taking Control of Their Team

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http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14255314p-15070661c.html


Taking control of their team
Some question owners' integrity after latest move
By Mark Kreidler -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Sunday, May 14, 2006
Story appeared in Sports section, Page C1




It isn't as though no one saw it coming, which is part of what makes the testy public response to the end of the Rick Adelman era in Sacramento so interesting.
Joe and Gavin Maloof, after all, were trying to hire Phil Jackson a year ago. Adelman entered the 2005-06 Kings season in the final year of a contract that very specifically had not been extended. The Maloofs did everything but have "Lame Duck" stitched into Adelman's sweater vests under the team logo.
So why did the brothers take such a public-relations hit last week, when they officially separated Adelman from the franchise after eight seasons?

There was the Kings' surge to the finish line, a 25-11 regular-season burst in the wake of the Ron Artest trade that might have earned Adelman last-minute converts in support.
Beyond that, though, there was the strong sense among Kings followers, a sense conveyed again and again in e-mails, voice mails, private conversations and sports-talk phone calls, that the Maloofs simply had missed the mark in how they conducted their business - specifically, not delivering Adelman the news themselves.
"Was getting rid of Adelman the right thing to do? I'm reserving final judgment until I see who they bring in," said longtime Kings fan Christine Gillespie.
"Did they do it the right way? Not under any kind of definition of 'consideration' that I can think of."
Welcome to Sports Business 101, where the lines are blurred between what is public and what is private - and where the actions of owners are subject to regular scrutiny, analysis and conclusion.
For years, the Maloofs thrived in that scenario, but they did so under incredibly generous conditions. A president of basketball operations whom they did not hire, Geoff Petrie, led the greatest talent-building process in the Sacramento history of the franchise. A coach whom they did not hire, Adelman, took that talent to eight consecutive winning seasons, eight playoff appearances, one Western Conference finals and a national profile previously unimaginable.
Through many of those years, the Maloofs approached ownership carefully. They entrusted Petrie with virtually every personnel decision, cheer-led wildly from their courtside seats, cultivated a media reputation as outgoing, optimistic stewards of the franchise, and used the Kings' success to grow their business empire in Las Vegas, Los Angeles and elsewhere.
The fallout from the Adelman release suggests the Maloofs are in another phase of their ownership life. From their reluctance to engage directly on the arena issue to the criticisms of their failure to call Adelman directly with their decision not to retain him, the brothers are being questioned as never before.
In interviews last week, Joe Maloof was alternately puzzled and irritated by the Adelman scenario. Despite evidence to the contrary, including the fact that assistant coaches were left in the dark long past the time when they normally would be contacted to discuss renewals of their contracts, Maloof insisted the decision not to retain Adelman was made only after the season ended.
Saturday, Maloof said that, upon reflection, he wishes he had contacted Adelman himself or been present in Sacramento for the news conference announcing the family's decision. He also said he winced at the perception that anyone in his family had shied away from a difficult moment.
"I was a little surprised" at the public backlash, Maloof said, "but I think it's time to move on to the future and to going ahead with this franchise.
"We had a great run with Rick. He brought a winning tradition to the franchise, to the city. He did a great job, and I hope I can talk to him soon."
Maloof has offered reasons for the decision that vary from interview to interview, at times citing a need for more defense, at times bemoaning Adelman's low visibility in the community. Furthermore, he has made it clear the decision was made independently of Petrie, which for many fans continues a worrisome trend (from Jackson to the Artest trade to Adelman) of the Maloofs taking power away from Petrie, who is widely regarded as one of the top executives in the NBA.
"They have one of the best in the business at the GM position," Gillespie said. "I think they're undermining his authority and hurting themselves and their public persona at a time when they need to be making supporters, not losing them because of bonehead acts like this."
Gillespie is one of the moderators of a Web site, Kingsfans.com, that has become a popular destination among those who follow the franchise religiously. In two informal polls conducted on the site last week, almost 70 percent of respondents said Adelman should have been given a new contract, while 76 percent said their current view of the Maloofs was either "OK," "not as good" as before, or "terrible" - the bottom three of the five responses available.
Such can be the fate of owners who are deemed to fancy themselves sports experts. Mark Cuban can relate. He regularly leaves his fingerprints all over the body of his Dallas Mavericks franchise - sometimes they're lifted directly from the neck area - and he makes no apologies for it. It's his business.
"It's like managing your personal investment portfolio," Cuban wrote in an e-mailed response to questions. "You get as much advice and information as you can from smart people who know the business, but you realize that there never is one right answer.
"Only one person is responsible for how things turn out, and that's you."
Indeed, the Maloofs' recent activism falls more in line with the Cuban model of ownership than anything else. They're not alone. In Phoenix, owner Robert Sarver has taken public control of decision-making, with former GM Bryan Colangelo having bolted for Toronto. Kevin McHale, once the public face of the Minnesota front office, hasn't been seen lately, but owner Glen Taylor is regularly quoted at length.
Maloof, meanwhile, says his family will be heavily involved in the Kings' coaching search, adding, "We'll make it in accordance with what Geoff wants. It's the family and Geoff."
He also said that, once the head coach is hired, the Maloofs will step back, allowing Petrie to resume control of the day-to-day basketball operations and the new coach to fill out his staff.
As for the perceived breach of etiquette with Adelman, it should be noted the Maloofs have a history of almost never delivering bad news personally. They had Adelman inform Chris Webber he was traded last year; Peja Stojakovic learned of his possible trade for Artest while watching the Maloofs being interviewed on ESPN; and Petrie was left to call Adelman last week despite Maloof having spoken with Adelman earlier.
"I've fired one person in my life, and it was a secretary," Maloof said with a laugh.
Now, with the coaching search under way and their confidence high after pushing hard for Artest, the Maloofs will remain prominent in the hiring process. In terms of their public perception, that may well prove to be both the good and the bad news, but the Cuban approach to NBA ownership suggests it won't be the last time.
"Sometimes you think a risk, like Artest, is worth it, sometimes not," Cuban wrote. "There is so much at stake, like your personal portfolio, that you have to be comfortable with how things are being run."
 
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It's good to see the Kreidler knows who to talk to for the 'fans' perspective on things....well done VF. :D

Interesting to read that 'upon refection Maloof wishes he had contacted Alderman himself'. It does suggest that all the recent negativity directed at them is not lost on Joe and Gavin.

Regardless of when the decision was or wasnt made to fire Rick, its done now and hopefully Geoff and the Maloofs will make the right choice as replacement. Time will tell.

Until there is reason to think otherwise I'm staying optimistic for a positve transition to the next phase of Kings Basketball.

GO KINGS!
 
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After reading this article, I feel much better. Our voice has been heard (thanks VF!) even if we don't all agree on Kingsfans.com on any issues there was a clear majority opinion in this particular case and I think it matters.

I am impressed by Kriedler. Whether you agree or not with his writing, he is truly doing his job by going to Kingsfans.com. We are definetly the authoritative source of hardcore, opinionated BBall and Kings fans. ;)

As for Maloofs: I really, really wish them the best of luck in finding a new coach. It will be hard, but the right guy can make a lot of difference on the court and in terms of PR.
 
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dont assume all fans liked adelman. This is the only collection of people that I know who liked him. Its good to see this board is quoted, but we dont represent the entire kings oppinion. But alot of Kings fans get stuck in the hype and dont see the reality. Rick didnt teach defense. Defense wins championships. Easy decision. Go Joe and Gavin!
 

VF21

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No one has assumed anything. You, on the other hand, are getting very defensive about a majority opinion reflected not only here, but in the media, in the national press, etc. This is the only collection of people who liked Adelman? That statement is simply NOT supported in any way, shape or form by any kind of data. I submit Mark Kreidler, who is in Sacramento and in touch with a LOT of different sources, may have a little better feel than you do.

You may not like Adelman. That's your opinion. But it is, whether you like it or not, a minority opinion.

One more point? This isn't about liking Adelman, BTW. It is about how his dismissal was handled by the Maloofs. You can dislike the coach and still think the whole thing could have been handled differently. You can love the coach and think the whole thing could have been handled differently.
 
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SacKings4Life21 said:
dont assume all fans liked adelman. This is the only collection of people that I know who liked him. Its good to see this board is quoted, but we dont represent the entire kings oppinion. But alot of Kings fans get stuck in the hype and dont see the reality. Rick didnt teach defense. Defense wins championships. Easy decision. Go Joe and Gavin!
Okay, have you been reading or listened to any of the interviews with RA talking about this subject? Of course he taught defense. Whether or not he was able to get his team to play D is a different matter.
 
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VF21

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Londonking said:
Regardless of when the decision was or wasnt made to fire Rick, its done now and hopefully Geoff and the Maloofs will make the right choice as replacement. Time will tell.
And hopefully it won't take too long.

;)
 
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That's the thing about moves like this... you never know if it was the right thing to do until well after the fact. I hated the Webber trade like I never hated anything... and while it still bugs me it makes a lot more sense now than it did then.

I wish Adelman would've been given a chance with our current group, and I think there's really no excuse for the way the Maloofs handled the dismissal. Joe lying to Rick on the phone ("Gee, we don't know"), only to let Geoff tell him hours later... not cool.

But I'll get over it in time, like with anything else. I am grateful that we have owners who take winning seriously, even if they are just power-crazed fans, rather than a tightwad like Sterling or an even more power-crazed fan like Cuban.
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I am not as concerned about the personal relationship between Adelman and the Maloofs as I am about the prospects of hiring a suitable alternative to Adelman. Adelman is not a loser here. He made $20M working for the Maloofs. I assume that most of us will ever see that kind of money. Adelman is doing OK. I am not sure that hurt feelings mean much after making $20M in a complex environment like NBA basketball.
 
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quick dog said:
I am not as concerned about the personal relationship between Adelman and the Maloofs as I am about the prospects of hiring a suitable alternative to Adelman. Adelman is not a loser here. He made $20M working for the Maloofs. I assume that most of us will ever see that kind of money. Adelman is doing OK. I am not sure that hurt feelings mean much after making $20M in a complex environment like NBA basketball.
Exactly. give me 20 million over 8 years and you can fed ex me my pink slip errrr my non-renewing slip.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
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quick dog said:
I am not as concerned about the personal relationship between Adelman and the Maloofs as I am about the prospects of hiring a suitable alternative to Adelman. Adelman is not a loser here. He made $20M working for the Maloofs. I assume that most of us will ever see that kind of money. Adelman is doing OK. I am not sure that hurt feelings mean much after making $20M in a complex environment like NBA basketball.

That stuff ALWAYS matters. People with more modest incomes ofttimes act as if $$$ somehow make somebody not experience human emotions. Not the case. Still just people. Same rules of conduct should apply with them as with anyone else. Rick will obviously be just fine financially. Doesn't change the very basic human relationship. You don't treat people different because of $$$. And when somebody really invests themselves for you for 8 yrs...
 
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pdxKingsFan

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Since this thread seems to be degenerating into another one of those Rick's feelings threads, allow me to offer my new pet theory for the day:
The Maloofs actually did Rick Adelman a favor. Discuss amongst yourselves.
 
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Bricklayer said:
That stuff ALWAYS matters. People with more modest incomes ofttimes act as if $$$ somehow make somebody not experience human emotions. Not the case. Still just people. Same rules of conduct should apply with them as with anyone else. Rick will obviously be just fine financially. Doesn't change the very basic human relationship. You don't treat people different because of $$$. And when somebody really invests themselves for you for 8 yrs...
People at the bottom of the financial scale, and people in the middle, get treated like Adelman every day. However, it must be easier to take insults and career hits if you don't really have to work. I had to put up with people like the Maloofs my entire adult life. They are omni-present.
 
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VF21 said:
That still doesn't make it right.
On a personal level or a business level.

The Kings are a company whose business is conducted on a largely public stage. The way they treat their employees - even the ones they don't want to keep around - is seen by everyone, and being that the franchise is supported by people in the community, that matters.

The way they handled the Adelman situation can potentially make it hard for fans to relate to them and support the team, hard to find another coach and get him to stick around for 8 years, etc.
 

Warhawk

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You know, if the Maloofs and Adelman never talked (which seemed to be one of the pet peeves of the Maloofs), does that reflect more badly on the Maloofs (as owner/"managers") or Adelman (the employee)?
 

VF21

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If the Maloofs had talked to Adelman LAST summer, a lot of this might or might not have been avoided. I think there's evidence that neither side really wanted to socialize with the other. If I'm an employer, however, and I want my business run a certain way, I'd pick up the phone and talk about it to my employees. If I'm the employee, on the other hand, I'm pretty much NOT going to call the owner. Adelman is a family man. The Maloofs are very public jet-setting high-rolling casino owners. They didn't "run" in the same circles, except at Arco, and even then their seats are across the court from the bench and Adelman. I would place the onus on them to make time out of their busy schedules to have some meetings if they want to be that "hands-on."

If the Maloofs were as adamant about wanting certain things as they're now claiming, I would think they could easily have sat down with Adelman and made it abundantly clear. They apparently never did.

I hope both all the parties in the future (meaning the Maloofs, Petrie AND the new coach) all bring something positive out of this whole thing.
 

Warhawk

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VF21 said:
If the Maloofs had talked to Adelman LAST summer, a lot of this might or might not have been avoided. I think there's evidence that neither side really wanted to socialize with the other. If I'm an employer, however, and I want my business run a certain way, I'd pick up the phone and talk about it to my employees. If I'm the employee, on the other hand, I'm pretty much NOT going to call the owner. Adelman is a family man. The Maloofs are very public jet-setting high-rolling casino owners. They didn't "run" in the same circles, except at Arco, and even then their seats are across the court from the bench and Adelman. I would place the onus on them to make time out of their busy schedules to have some meetings if they want to be that "hands-on."

If the Maloofs were as adamant about wanting certain things as they're now claiming, I would think they could easily have sat down with Adelman and made it abundantly clear. They apparently never did.

I hope both all the parties in the future (meaning the Maloofs, Petrie AND the new coach) all bring something positive out of this whole thing.
Well, that was my point, but I didn't spell it all out. ;) Thanks.
 
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In the face of all the anti-Maloof sentiments, I still think it's just too much of a emotional time where things are getting blown out of proportion. Many fans are worried about the Maloofs taking too much control from Petrie, however, that may not be such a bad thing. Look at a few other situations where the owners have exerted more control such as in Phoenix and with Mark Cuban. Look at the success of those teams. Most people tend to think that it was the Maloofs who orchestrated the Artest trade, not Petrie. Look at how well the trade paid off! The Kings were dead in the water, going nowhere, the Maloofs cared about this team enough to realize that something drastic had to be done. After the trade was at first on hold, the Maloofs talked to Artest and he assured them that he wanted to come to Sacramento. One major criticism of Petrie has been that he holds on, maybe too long to his guys. I think a good question is that if it weren't for the Maloofs, would Petrie had traded Peja or would he have signed him to the max this offseason?
 
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zeke04 said:
Exactly. give me 20 million over 8 years and you can fed ex me my pink slip errrr my non-renewing slip.
I think they took the low road in this matter. In some cases there no one gets any sort of agreeable or kosher answer to decisions. It is what it is. Was it handled in a 'respectful' manner?? Probably not, but it is what it is, and they wanted a change of direction, and got that, just like with Vlade, etc...changing for progress is a good thing, as long as it continues in its state of forward inertia.
 
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So everyone is upset that the maloofs didn't let RA know ahead of time?

Just curious what all this hooplah is about. I mean before ron ron came here I would toss out a number that about 75% (not me) wanted to fire RA after every loss. Now all these RA supporters are crawling out of the cracks in the ground. Seriously? I was an RA supporter before this happend and I could give a rats if he was fired. It's not my team, GG to RA but damn my life does go on.

So if the malloofs called RA to let him know and they themselves announced it to the press everyone would be happy with that? That makes no sense at all. Thats why people are mad?

Exactly were was everyone before RA got fired? Lets go back and count the against RA votes. Now that it's happened and because it's not in a way people like or respect the RA supporters now show their voice? Am I missing something?

1 - Its entertainment
2 - If you don't like it spend your money elsewhere you have that choice
3 - Maloofs own the team they can do what they want / how they want regarldess if you like it or not. Oh btw they are billionares they don't care what we think.
4 - I am trying to be nice tonight... Already deleted a few of my posts...
5 - I am drinking tonight if I post anything that makes people mad DISREGARD
 

Bricklayer

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BigWaxer said:
So everyone is upset that the maloofs didn't let RA know ahead of time?

Just curious what all this hooplah is about. I mean before ron ron came here I would toss out a number that about 75% (not me) wanted to fire RA after every loss. Now all these RA supporters are crawling out of the cracks in the ground. Seriously? I was an RA supporter before this happend and I could give a rats if he was fired. It's not my team, GG to RA but damn my life does go on.

So if the malloofs called RA to let him know and they themselves announced it to the press everyone would be happy with that? That makes no sense at all. Thats why people are mad?

Exactly were was everyone before RA got fired? Lets go back and count the against RA votes. Now that it's happened and because it's not in a way people like or respect the RA supporters now show their voice? Am I missing something?

1 - Its entertainment
2 - If you don't like it spend your money elsewhere you have that choice
3 - Maloofs own the team they can do what they want / how they want regarldess if you like it or not. Oh btw they are billionares they don't care what we think.
4 - I am trying to be nice tonight... Already deleted a few of my posts...
5 - I am drinking tonight if I post anything that makes people mad DISREGARD
Your drunken rant accidentally stumbled upon the very problem -- I would doubt that anybody would specifically say "I'm not buying Kings tickets/merchandise because of the way the Adelman firing was dealt with". But EVERY bit of bad press, dishonesty, and general stink racked up by the Kings (or ANY company), has an effect on the bottom line. My brothers no longer watch the Kings. Too much ick, killed their love. And each and EVERY ****ed up PR disaster digs the hole a little deeper. Now if we can start winning again, the winning bonus will eventually outpull the negative drag (unless it gets too bad), but the drag is still there. Its like a balance sheet. Do soemthign cool + 10 fans, win 5 more games +100 fans, slime the former coach and endure a PR nightmare -25 fans etc. etc.

So yes, people can go elsewhere -- that is EXACTLY what happens when you ick up your franchise. We've lost a lot of people from this very board over the years because the Kings screwed up the feel good that made us unique. Nor are there an unlimited number of replacements. At some point you have to get a clue, and yes, change your behavior so as to avoid these messes, otherwise you are a flat out bad businessman and should get the hell out.

The Maloofs may think they know business, or at least their daddy did, but the Kings are a whole other question. Its not in any sense of the word a normal business, and you are asking your fans/customers to invest FAR more of themselves than you ever would in almost any other endeavor. And so while the customer in your casino really doesn't care how badly you screwed over Joe the blackjack dealer -- he has no investment in it -- the customer of the Kings DOES care, about most everything. Its personal at a level selling widgets can never be. If he cannot take pride in and like the team and organization, he's not going to be a customer for long. And you lose the best people first too, and are eventually left with only the fans who's sole concern is being able to thump their chest and say "we" won -- who don't really give a damn about the franchise as an entity, just the W/L record and their bragging rights.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Your drunken rant accidentally stumbled upon the very problem --
LOL I was a little "POST" Happy last night :) haha and you nailed that first part. For some reason I always break the rule NEVER post when drinking.

That above drinking problems aside :) I think that may be part of what is happening to me. I have been pushed/hurt so much by the Kings that they are pushing me away from this team. Which may be why I could care less about all this. It's all to much drama for me...

Going further the MLB did it as a whole, that used to be my favorite sport now I don't follow it at all. Maybe its age/family all that and I just don't know. But I do know I got tired of all the drama around the MLB and left it all together.

If I am spending money that doesn't come easy then I am going to support something it has to be worth it. Are the kings worth it at this point? They have treated EVERY outgoing player just like they did RA and that does leave a sour taste in my mouth. They say they want to win but they are destroying that one player at a time, now the coach.

I am a huge RA supporter, not upset about him being fired, more upset that they don't have a plan.

Nice post Brick... You hit everything right on
 
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Bricklayer said:
Your drunken rant accidentally stumbled upon the very problem -- I would doubt that anybody would specifically say "I'm not buying Kings tickets/merchandise because of the way the Adelman firing was dealt with". But EVERY bit of bad press, dishonesty, and general stink racked up by the Kings (or ANY company), has an effect on the bottom line. My brothers no longer watch the Kings. Too much ick, killed their love. And each and EVERY ****ed up PR disaster digs the hole a little deeper. Now if we can start winning again, the winning bonus will eventually outpull the negative drag (unless it gets too bad), but the drag is still there. Its like a balance sheet. Do soemthign cool + 10 fans, win 5 more games +100 fans, slime the former coach and endure a PR nightmare -25 fans etc. etc.

So yes, people can go elsewhere -- that is EXACTLY what happens when you ick up your franchise. We've lost a lot of people from this very board over the years because the Kings screwed up the feel good that made us unique. Nor are there an unlimited number of replacements. At some point you have to get a clue, and yes, change your behavior so as to avoid these messes, otherwise you are a flat out bad businessman and should get the hell out.

The Maloofs may think they know business, or at least their daddy did, but the Kings are a whole other question. Its not in any sense of the word a normal business, and you are asking your fans/customers to invest FAR more of themselves than you ever would in almost any other endeavor. And so while the customer in your casino really doesn't care how badly you screwed over Joe the blackjack dealer -- he has no investment in it -- the customer of the Kings DOES care, about most everything. Its personal at a level selling widgets can never be. If he cannot take pride in and like the team and organization, he's not going to be a customer for long. And you lose the best people first too, and are eventually left with only the fans who's sole concern is being able to thump their chest and say "we" won -- who don't really give a damn about the franchise as an entity, just the W/L record and their bragging rights.

In the end it's all about winning. That's ALL that matters.