ESPN: Chris Wallace leader for Kings GM

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HndsmCelt

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I can complain about Wallace, and with the 20/20 hindsight I can easily go back and point to mistake after mistake in his history, but I will give him this: with a relitivly low budget in struggling small market the man built a dam good defensive minded team. He knew enough to put together COMPLEMENTARY pieces in his back court, and showed a preference for defensive over scoring. If you enjoyed watching the aged Prince and Tony Allen, working the Spurs guards you have to give Wallace some credit. It is quite possible that with more money and better access to talent thanks to excitement about a revitalized franchise Wallace may well be able to put together a top contending team in just a few years.

Before the bashing begins there are guys I would love to see in the GM slot ahead of Wallace (R C Bufford was my first choice) But of the guys available Wallace may be the best option for building a defensive team around DMC and Evans. And if not the best available option he certainly deserves credit for the current Memphis roster.
 
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I want no part of Wallace. His track record is pretty bad, and it's a fluke that Memphis have ended up in the position they're in.
A fluke? They've been solid for 4 years in a small market and just got out of the WCF. He was fortunate that Marc developed into a player after Pau demanded a trade and the cheap owner was complaining about money (sound familiar?) but I wouldn't call Memphis a fluke.
 
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Memphis hire Hollinger as a consultant/assistant GM this past year to bring in some analytics. Not sure if that was from the ownership or from Chris Wallace himself.
 

HndsmCelt

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I want no part of Wallace. His track record is pretty bad, and it's a fluke that Memphis have ended up in the position they're in.
If you are going to make a claim like that you will need to support it. Wallace drafted Connely, thought to trade the Laker's Mark Gassol. Remember when Popivich said: "What they did in Memphis is beyond comprehension. There should be a trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense. I just wish I had been on a trade committee that oversees NBA trades. I would have voted no to the LA trade." I do. This is not a team put together by luck (you are thinking of the Clippers) This is a PLANNED and crafted defensive juggernaut.
 
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You can look at hoopshype.com and clearly see that starting in 2005-2006, the Maloofs started pulling the purse away. So sad becauae it helped ruin Geoff Petrie.
 
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I have only this to say. Before we all go crazy about Wallace or whoever. There are many factors that lead to a teams success. It starts with the owner, then the gm, coach, and finally the players themselves have to mesh and produce. I have complete faith in Vivek. I like mike malone. Things are taking shape. It sounds like Vivek likes creating an atmosphere in which a group comes TOGETHER to make decisions. Vivek is gonna find a way to succeed. ITS WHAT HE DOES!!!!!
 
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You can look at hoopshype.com and clearly see that starting in 2005-2006, the Maloofs started pulling the purse away. So sad becauae it helped ruin Geoff Petrie.
That wasnot the only one reason Petrie began to decline. His draft picks have been mostly busts. Quincy Doobie anyone??? Jimmer isnt anywhere near a first round pick. If the Maloofs had not insisted that Evans play every possible second to get that 20/5/5 his rookie season, he would be considered a bust as well. He has not improved one iota. Cousins was a risk from the start. Petrie hasnt drafted well and had no money to correct his mistakes in free agency. But the Maloofs were too poor to hire anyone else so he continued to be the GM for a sub par team for approximatly 10 years past his prime. He will not be missed.
 
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the success of a GM is so dependent on factors out of their control. what's the market size you're dealing with? will ownership agree to certain moves? will ownership foot the bill to retain talent? will free agent classes yield enough talent to go around the league? will draft classes be deep and wide? good timing obviously has a lot to do with it, too. when lebron james becomes a free agent, for example, are you prepared to make a pitch?

then there are the factors that a GM can control. have you managed salary well? if not, lebron james becomes just another pipe dream. how do you perform in strong drafts? in weak drafts? how willing are you to think outside the box? when do you recognize that a tried and true formula is more appropriate? a GM that drafts dwight howard looks like a genius until he fails to successfully build around dwight howard. a GM that drafts greg oden looks like a genius until greg oden scrubs out of the league due to injury. it's a difficult evaluative process, to determine the worth of a GM...

that said, chris wallace's track record is equal parts impressive and unimpressive. he managed to build a defensive juggernaut that consistently makes the playoffs in a small market with cheap owners. there's something to be said for that. however, his draft history, on the whole, is questionable, as are his transactions via trade. though, as with geoff petrie, fans do have to consider the directives of ownership. was chris wallace given the reigns to operate? or did he have to do the best he could with what he had to work with? i'd say that wallace did a lot more with less in memphis than petrie managed to accomplish with less in sacramento. so i'd be willing to give wallace a fair shot. but, if i'm vivek ranadive, i certainly consider other available options at the GM position...

it all depends on what ranadive's vision is for the team. we're hearing a lot of rumors lately that ranadive has repeatedly reached out to demarcus cousins already. he appears to recognize what many of us recognize: DMC is a special talent that can take this team far. my guess is that chris wallace feels the same way, that the kings should be built around demarcus cousins, which is likely why ranadive considers him a front runner. i imagine that any GM who doesn't feel the same way about cousins won't be getting the job...
 
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it just seems kind of weird to me that Wallace was basically ousted in favour of advanced stats guys and is now supposedly the number one option of an owner predestined to massively favour the same line of thinking. doesn't quite compute for me.
 
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it just seems kind of weird to me that Wallace was basically ousted in favour of advanced stats guys and is now supposedly the number one option of an owner predestined to massively favour the same line of thinking. doesn't quite compute for me.
This was my thought too. He's available because he's being phased out?

Maybe he has good ideas on what to do with the roster as it stands, and that has caught Vivek's ear. Doesn't help that West is pumping him up too.
 
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Why are people over reacting? I don't see the big deal. He has constructed a team that has been in the playoffs in the last 3-4 years a team that plays great defense and that has a chance to be good for the foreseeable future, who's teams play in a smaller media market, and has presumably a lower budget than what he would work with as a kings' gm.

The guy has experience and knows when to take risks. He has traded for the best C in the league in Gasol while giving up his franchise player, marc, in the process. Didn't he draft Conley also? He has made some mistakes like giving Gay that extension and maybe drafting busts like Thabeet, but what GM doesn't make mistakes?

I agree with a fellow poster in another thread when he said that pairing the organization needs experience in either the gm or head coach positions. It would not be ideal to have both a rookie gm and a head coach. Maybe I'm missing something that I don't know about Wallace? It's not like the kings are prying away Buford from SA.

But why would MEM let go of Wallace? That is my only concern.
 

Bricklayer

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it just seems kind of weird to me that Wallace was basically ousted in favour of advanced stats guys and is now supposedly the number one option of an owner predestined to massively favour the same line of thinking. doesn't quite compute for me.
Actually the best part of it for me.

Unfortunately I would prefer a non-advanced stat with a better history of not trading away major stars. However, it cannot be denied that just from a logical fashion, you take the GM who has been running a defensive oriented, big man oriented team that features a talented groundbound big with past attitude issues...and you would be hardpressed to find someone that on paper matches up better for a Cousins led team who just hired a defensive specialist as their head coach.
 
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Actually the best part of it for me.

Unfortunately I would prefer a non-advanced stat with a better history of not trading away major stars. However, it cannot be denied that just from a logical fashion, you take the GM who has been running a defensive oriented, big man oriented team that features a talented groundbound big with past attitude issues...and you would be hardpressed to find someone that on paper matches up better for a Cousins led team who just hired a defensive specialist as their head coach.
well me, I don't mind getting the guy that traded Pau Gasol (on the behest of ownership at the time, if memory serves) and Rudy Gay, whilst I'd very much mind getting the guy that gave Rudy Gay that ridiculous contract in the first place.
 

Bricklayer

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well me, I don't mind getting the guy that traded Pau Gasol (on the behest of ownership at the time, if memory serves) and Rudy Gay, whilst I'd very much mind getting the guy that gave Rudy Gay that ridiculous contract in the first place.
Wallace is really none of those guys, or only parts of them.

The Gay contract was necessary unfortunately, or they lose him for nothing. Part of the every good player gets a max contract fad. But if he didn't, somebody else would, and a the time he was their star.

The Pau thing...don't remember at who's behest it was, although I think Pau wanted out. The larger issue there was the return. It was generally considered a pathetic return and a poorly researched trade where he didn't talk to enough teams before making it. But of course on the other hand in the end it netted him Marc Gasol, who is a better player than Pau at this point, and so now it doesn't look so bad at all.

Trading Gay was not his idea. That was Hollinger and the stat geek revolt after they took over. Wallace was sidelined.
He's also got a pass on the Thabeet thing, since that was notoriously Heisley the owner.

But he drafted Love, didn't spot the talent, and moved him for Mayo. He drafted Joe Johnson, didn't spot the talent, and moved him for Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers. Those are thing which concern me. Probably drafted Conley though, albeit on a few days notice. Should have been the one to draft Pierce, which until Cousins put him one drafted superstar talent ahead of Petrie. Trying to remember if he drafted Big Al to Boston too. Those would be nice feathers.
 
#30
I know it would never happen and I have said it numerous times, but I would love to see what Haralabos Voulgaris could do as our GM. I would also love to see Zach Lowe get a shot.
 
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