Draft Thread

I like the mismatches we would create with Evans and Williams at the 1 and 2. It automatically makes our team bigger and taller. They are both better defenders than Thomas as well and after trading to get a defensive minded SF I believe the perimeter defense would be extremely solid versus starting Thomas with Evans and Williams. Thomas and Williams would be a little undersized for their position at the 1 and 3. Also considering Evans is 6'5", Williams is 6'6", and the SF we would get would be somewhere between 6'7" - 6'9", it would make it easier to defend on switches which would make us a better defensive team overall.

I see both Thomas and Thornton as sixth men. Thomas because of his height and Thornton because of his lack of defense. Don't get me wrong. I have a lot of respect for Thomas but his height is something he is never going to fix, and as players around the league get more familiar with his game, players will find a way to take advantage of the height advantage.

If worst comes to worst and we don't end up making a trade, I would be fine with the guys we have currently. I'm not sure how Thornton would take to Thomas starting over him though.

Evans, Thornton, Thomas, Williams, Salmons, Thompson, Cousins, and Robinson is a solid 8 man rotation. And the only below average defender would be Thornton. All though the only above average defenders would be Evans, Williams, and Salmons...
Being bigger and taller doesn't mean much if the team cannot score.. So we create mismatches inside on offense, but we see a lot of 1 on 1 ball.

Defensively they will have a mismatch on us if they are smaller and quicker. We wont have the shot blockers inside to change their shot when they blow by our "big guards".

Also, the height thing with IT is getting old :( Sorry man. Until he falters at D (which he was better at guarding PGs than Evans was this year) I don't mind having him starting.

The only way I would ever want to see Evans play PG again is if he learned how to think of his team first rather than hold the ball for 20 seconds then go 1 on 1 to the hoop. I seriously almost sold the remainder of my season tickets before Westfail got fired because it was the worst I had ever seen the team play. We have too much talent to play so bad and I think it started with the offense being so crappy. Remember, with Evans at PG we didn't reach 100 points for a very long time, and didn't shoot over 40% in quite a few games.
 
Name the successful teams with two ball dominant guards where they both excel.
What are you not understanding about what i am saying? I never said 2 ball dominant guards were the key to success. I said Reke is not in the class of those guys that can have non ball dominant guards along side of them. But if you want a team, how about the Spurs? I think they have been pretty successful. Question. Are ball dominant guards and ball dominant small forwards also mutually exclusive?
 
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What are you not understanding about what i am saying? I never said 2 ball dominant guards were the key to success. I said Reke is not in the class of those guys that can have non dominent guards along side of them. But if you want a team, how about the Spurs? I think they have been pretty successful. Question? Are ball dominant guards and ball dominant small forwards also mutually exclusive?
When you have two guys next to each other who excel with the ball, not without, then naturally when one has the ball the other is not nearly maximized. Parker plays next to defensive specialists and when Manu comes on usually rests. It's often times one or the other, but a little different than Nash/Reke would be given Manu is a quality spot up, off the ball shooter. But even more so most successful teams only have two ball dominant players on the court together, a guard, and either a wing or big. We have Cuz who needs the ball, so adding two ball dominant players in the backcourt takes away from someone.

Wade/Lebron don't have tha ball dominant big, and Bosh many times is rarely involved.
SA usually has Parker or Manu, with Duncan untl the end, where all three are out there but whoever is hotter between Parker/Manu usually attack.
OKC has WB or Harden along with Durant and don't have any kind of a post threat. When Harden comes in he usually has the ball and attacks, while WB rests. If they play together one many times takes a step back, but Brooks has been open about pairing WB/Durant, then letting Harden go crazy when they rest. Notice WB starts next to Sefalosha and two bigs who never need the ball.

These situations are different than running out a Nash/Reke backcourt fulltime, where the only way they're both maximized is if Mr. Cuz wasn't down low.
 
Being bigger and taller doesn't mean much if the team cannot score.. So we create mismatches inside on offense, but we see a lot of 1 on 1 ball.

Defensively they will have a mismatch on us if they are smaller and quicker. We wont have the shot blockers inside to change their shot when they blow by our "big guards".

Also, the height thing with IT is getting old :( Sorry man. Until he falters at D (which he was better at guarding PGs than Evans was this year) I don't mind having him starting.

The only way I would ever want to see Evans play PG again is if he learned how to think of his team first rather than hold the ball for 20 seconds then go 1 on 1 to the hoop. I seriously almost sold the remainder of my season tickets before Westfail got fired because it was the worst I had ever seen the team play. We have too much talent to play so bad and I think it started with the offense being so crappy. Remember, with Evans at PG we didn't reach 100 points for a very long time, and didn't shoot over 40% in quite a few games.
No you're right, we were a much more successful team once IT started at the point. Bleh. The reality is: Evans hasn't shown he is capable of being a high level starting point. Unfortunately, neither has IT. The other reality is that it's more likely Evans or another player will be able to start at point for a contending team than a 5'9" guy, based on the history of the league.
 
When you have two guys next to each other who excel with the ball, not without, then naturally when one has the ball the other is not nearly maximized. Parker plays next to defensive specialists and when Manu comes on usually rests. It's often times one or the other, but a little different than Nash/Reke would be given Manu is a quality spot up, off the ball shooter. But even more so most successful teams only have two ball dominant players on the court together, a guard, and either a wing or big. We have Cuz who needs the ball, so adding two ball dominant players in the backcourt takes away from someone.

Wade/Lebron don't have tha ball dominant big, and Bosh many times is rarely involved.
SA usually has Parker or Manu, with Duncan untl the end, where all three are out there but whoever is hotter between Parker/Manu usually attack.
OKC has WB or Harden along with Durant and don't have any kind of a post threat. When Harden comes in he usually has the ball and attacks, while WB rests. If they play together one many times takes a step back, but Brooks has been open about pairing WB/Durant, then letting Harden go crazy when they rest. Notice WB starts next to Sefalosha and two bigs who never need the ball.

These situations are different than running out a Nash/Reke backcourt fulltime, where the only way they're both maximized is if Mr. Cuz wasn't down low.
I get what you are saying, but saying who starts and who doesnt is a bit of a cliche. As you pointed out, all those guys finish together. I truly think a Reke/Nash pairing would be comparable to Parker/Manu, minus Reke's outside shooting, plus Nash's superior passing .
 
No you're right, we were a much more successful team once IT started at the point. Bleh. The reality is: Evans hasn't shown he is capable of being a high level starting point. Unfortunately, neither has IT. The other reality is that it's more likely Evans or another player will be able to start at point for a contending team than a 5'9" guy, based on the history of the league.
Based on the history of the league how many PG's on championship teams have been taller than 6'3"? Ok, Magic. Next?
 
Turning a bit to free agency, I find this quote apt for us, "And if the Kings would rather have money than the 36th pick in the draft, how can they afford the three years and $22.7 million left on John Salmons' contract?"
 
This damn 3 inch window really hems us in.
First, its not 3 inches, its probably closer to 5-6 and yes a half foot matters. Second, how many areas does this team and its fans think it can buck the trend on: undersized pg, small sg that plays poor d, backcourt depth that is unexperienced and defensively challenged, a ball dominant young stud being forced out of position and off the ball, wasted money on SF that don't match what we need from the position, poor interior defenders, inexperienced coach that seems not to understand how to manage the players he has or game management.

A couple of those issues are to be expected in a young team. A deliberate approach that seems designed to ignore them is a serious problem.
 

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First, its not 3 inches, its probably closer to 5-6 and yes a half foot matters. Second, how many areas does this team and its fans think it can buck the trend on: undersized pg, small sg that plays poor d, backcourt depth that is unexperienced and defensively challenged, a ball dominant young stud being forced out of position and off the ball, wasted money on SF that don't match what we need from the position, poor interior defenders, inexperienced coach that seems not to understand how to manage the players he has or game management.

A couple of those issues are to be expected in a young team. A deliberate approach that seems designed to ignore them is a serious problem.
Was the sarcasm really that hard to detect?
 

I don't know, guys. T-Rob looks pretty pissed to me.
I don't think he's pissed, but distraught as his mom isn't there to share this day with him or his sister. He broke down after the pick and it understandably is a very emotional time for him. He's been through a lot and it was probably pretty tough watching the other draftees celebrate with their families.
 
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