What's happened to WCS?

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by Čarolija, Mar 25, 2017.

  1. Telemachus

    Telemachus Well-Known Member

    Throw in the fact that college teams have limits on how much time players can practice and work with coaches.
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  2. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    Once upon a time, the Kings had two power forwards who brought excitement to Arco Arena. They were Wayman Tisdale and Antoine Carr. Both shot at about a 60% clip. Neither one of them averaged more than about 6 boards a game. I just pray that we never again have a 4 or 5 who only grab 6 boards a game (on avg). Don't let me down, Willie!
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  3. upinsmoke

    upinsmoke Well-Known Member

    I just wanted to give props to WCS for grabbing that Game winning rebound and put back today. Good job Willie.
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  4. origkds

    origkds What- Me Worry? Contributor

    Agreed. I'd like to think that Willie watched the replay of that rebound last night and said to himself "wow, this rebounding thing is kinda cool, I think I'll do it some more".
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  5. ppine

    ppine Well-Known Member

    Willie is around 7 feet or so and has giant hop around 40 inches.
    Rebounding is all about desire. You have to out position people and want the ball more than they do. With Willie's physical skills he could average 12 boards a game, and easily get 20 once in awhile.

    Dennis Rodman is a flake, but his ability to rebound a basketball has legendary status. Willie needs to watch Rodman film a couple of days a week. He needs to be in rebound drills where the loser has to run laps and do push ups. Willie has to train his mind and develop the desire. He is way too content to glide around the floor watching. We used to call it "wearing a tuxedo."
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  6. WCS has looked better lately. His rebounding has been better over the last few games. Even looked OK tonight against Rudy Gobrute.
  7. The_Jamal

    The_Jamal Well-Known Member

    WCS as a starter this season (14 games)

    32.7 MPG
    12.5 PPG
    7.5 RPG
    2.8 APG (this is very surprising and encouraging)
    1.1 SPG
    0.9 BPG

    54% TS
    19.2% USG rate
    13.4% TRB
    13.8% TOV

    Remember, this basically the first stretch in his career where he's gotten a consistent 30+ MPG. But the fact is he's putting up a pretty damn good stat line without a real playmaker on the roster. The rebounding isn't great, but 13.4% TRB is something we can live with if WCS picks up the defense.
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  8. mac

    mac Well-Known Member

    He's doing a much better job of putting a body on a man to at least try to box them out
  9. Kingster

    Kingster Well-Known Member

    The last three games WCS has been doing a much better job rebounding. It's all about "want to" with WCS. He's just got to give consistent effort and be willing to do the work on a consistent basis. Hopefully, we'll see this effort for the rest of the season and we can see him get 8+ rebounds a game next year.
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  10. allrightythen

    allrightythen Well-Known Member

    I think Willie thinks his way through the game. He's not like Cousins who plays on emotion and takes everything as a slight. In that sense, he sees what he needs to contribute and he figures out a way to do it. As things move forward I think we'll continue to see Willie adjust his game to what the team needs him to be. I think this may keep him from being a star but make him indispensable at the same time.
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  11. macadocious

    macadocious Well-Known Member

    I was at the game, he "missed" at least 5 rebounds he should have gotten. It's getting better, but a lot of those boards last night bounced right to him. I was specifically focused on that since it was such a poorly played game.
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  12. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    I would add desire to that list. Also, most of the rebounds that Willie gets are defensive rebounds, which means some of his poor rebounding may be by design to some extent. Willie is one of the first players back in transition defense, and that may be part of how they want him to play. It's difficult to be the first back in transition, and grab offensive rebounds at the same time. Since Joerger won't return my calls, I have no idea if that has any merit at all.
  13. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    Willie's game is coming along nicely. Clearly Willie wants to be a complete player and is well on his way. We don't want him to underachieve in his rebounding, but we can't compare him to DMC either. If Willie's game takes him away from the basket a lot, then he's not likely to become a 12 rebound/game guy - even if he had the desire.
  14. Willie has been crashing the glass lately. This is what we need on a consistent basis moving forward. It's really nice to see, and inspires confidence in his development.

    Last 5 games:

    27 MIN 10 REB
    34 MIN 14 REB
    29 MIN 8 REB
    33 MIN 9 REB
    33 MIN 14 REB
  15. nebs

    nebs Well-Known Member

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  16. Not sure whether I love this or hate this.

    The issue is with the way he said things. It looks as if his role was to grab what's available, or at least, he makes it same as though Joerger gave him that role.

    If that's the case I am ecstatic. This would mean he may have had the rebounding ability all along, but was limited by the role he was playing.

    In other words, he may be unleashing the beast!
  17. ESP47

    ESP47 Well-Known Member

    Good I like seeing a little fire there.

    You think Cousins cared about letting other guys rebound the ball? You grab everything you can get your mitts on as long as you aren't knocking them out of your own teammates hands. I'm just glad to see that he's capable of it.
  18. Tetsujin

    Tetsujin The Game Thread Dude

    OH NO! Bad teammate! Not classy!

    Trade HIM NOW!

    #CharacterMatters
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  19. whozit

    whozit Well-Known Member

    I love it. Plausible excuse (or explanation if one prefers). I'm glad he took it personal and hopefully he can keep the "complainers" the 'hell shut up.' All on him.
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  20. kingjatt

    kingjatt Well-Known Member

    We all knew Willie had the physical tools to go grab rebounds, it was all about the mindset and he appears to be heading in the right direction. Another thing, Willie looked to be in terrible shape at the start of the year muscle and strength wise but he has put in the work and gotten noticeably bigger and stronger. He does not get pushed around as much anymore. We bash on Willie alot but he seems to really want to get better, it might take him longer than most but I see him rounding into a nice solid pro.
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  21. kingsboi

    kingsboi Well-Known Member

    It was always about the will and drive to rebound. I'm glad Joerger and staff got into his ear about this and he is following suite. I also love the fact that he doesn't hold back, he tells you exactly what is on his mind. He is a straight shooter.
  22. ockingsfan

    ockingsfan Well-Known Member

    I think WCS can develop into a 14 pts, 8 reb, 1.5 blks per game player in the next year or two. And play great defense!

    I think that would be great production for him! :)
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  23. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    On the contrary, I think Willie's development has been very fast. He's only begun playing FT minutes since the DMC trade. His performance was disappointing from summer league through December, but then he started coming around when Ty started getting him some easy baskets. I could be wrong, but I think that motivated him. Since then I think his progress has been pretty impressive.
  24. kingjatt

    kingjatt Well-Known Member

    Yes he has picked it up as of late, his next step is consistency and putting up the numbers/defending vs elite competition. Also by late progression I meant in terms of his age relative to other 2nd year prospects.
  25. Sac.1989

    Sac.1989 Well-Known Member

    the 3rd year upswing is real. Next season is make or break for WCS
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  26. Kingster

    Kingster Well-Known Member

    I would love to know what the catalyst was to get him hustling. He's just got to keep it up. He will never be the kind of player who can rest on laurels. He's got to bring it every game.
  27. Suicide King

    Suicide King Well-Known Member

    @Kingster
    The Jason Jones article Nebs linked is a decent read. Coach and others have made it a point but Ty seems to have really been a catalyst. He would point out Willies defensive rebounds and tell him to get after it.
    It also offers a small window into Willies thinking. He seemed to be lax if the rebound was in the area of one of our guards so they could grab it and go. I think the various prodding by the team and those outside it motivated him to just go for all of them.
  28. Čarolija

    Čarolija Well-Known Member

    I want him to be nasty when it comes to rebounding. I don't care if he ribs rebounds from his team mates, he is a big man whose role in the team is to rebound and play D. There is no reason with his attributes why he should not be averaging 10 rebounds per game.
  29. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    He got 16 tonight. :)
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  30. Čarolija

    Čarolija Well-Known Member

    And I am loving the surge in rebounding! :D

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