Welcome Vince Carter

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by lwc, Jul 6, 2017.

  1. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    You cannot possibly be serious. How do you know how many minutes a night he'll play? :rolleyes:

    Some people (not necessarily you, ESP47) just need to lighten up. The vets we've gotten are on short-term deals which gives the kids a chance to learn from some of the best and then, when they're ready, take their places.

    Signing Vince Carter is another sign that the image of the Kings throughout the league is changing. You think he would have come here otherwise?

    I'm excited and cannot wait until the pre-season starts. Those of you who are so upset, confused, etc. just need to take a deep breath and relax IMHO. This isn't the old front office. What's going on right now is laying the foundation for a very good future. Have a little faith. It won't hurt.
  2. Larry89

    Larry89 Disgruntled Kings Fan

    Never thought I'd see the day Air Canada came to the Kings
  3. Jimbob

    Jimbob Well-Known Member

    Me either, I like the move and look forward to the occasional awe aspiring dunk. Welcome Vince, I bet he wins GOY award.
    geriatric of the year, not cool, I know.
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  4. Mike

    Mike Active Member

    It's another solid veteran signing by the Kings. I'm actually surprised Carter has decided to come here rather than get himself a deal on a contender to try and get that ring. With that said, he can be a good presence in the locker room and still contribute on the court. So it's a good move and adds to our bench.
  5. giantking1355

    giantking1355 Member

    Yes! and just watching with the right intent and instruction. I believe heavily in that.
  6. The_Jamal

    The_Jamal Well-Known Member

    One thing I think is getting lost is ZBO/Hill/Carter all know what they've signed up for; to be the on-court mentors and teachers for the youngin's. Thats' their main role, not to come in here and win games. So if Vince doesn't play for a 3-game stretch here or there, so what? Or if the same happens to ZBO. Even George Hill should know the deal that this team is will be given to Fox, it's just a matter of when.

    As a fan, I freaking LOVE getting to see Vince in a Kings uniform. All these guys have to be stoked to get to play with a legend they grew up watching and admiring. I know I would be. A Kings VC jersey might be in my future...

    Minutes aren't really a concern either. Hard for me to see ZBO or Vince getting more than 15-20 MPG off the bench. Or if they get the "vet" start, it's still only going to be for 15-20 MPG.
  7. The_Jamal

    The_Jamal Well-Known Member

    Also, I think if we surrounded Cousins with vets like these MUCH sooner (Temple/Carter/ZBO, etc), could have lead us to salavge that relationship and help him grow up on the court a bit. He never really had a vet player who commanded respect and would tell him to shut up when needed. Glad our young fellas have that kind of player leadership now.
  8. ESP47

    ESP47 Well-Known Member

    When you are in a rebuild year, developing the young talent is the #1 priority. This isn't a playoff run year so the normal rules don't have to apply. It's a new thing around here where everyone keeps saying that you somehow must beat out a veteran in practice to get on the court. I don't remember a single person here last year saying "I sure hope Skal/Malachi/Papa beat out so and so in practice before they got on the court, otherwise it could cause a team mutiny!". No, the narrative was more like "I'm tired of watching these veterans play, get them off the court and get the young guys out there so we can see what they can do". Now all the sudden everyone seems to want a veteran blocking each player again. Well you're going to get what you asked for so don't get mad when you're watching a bunch of veterans play the bulk of the minutes each night. I don't recall many people here being elated with Barnes playing a bunch of minutes each night while Malachi was on the bench. I don't recall people wanting Tolliver playing more than Skal even though he was more effective most of the time. I don't recall people wanting Koufos playing over Papa even though he was more effective with a messed up finger. But now all the sudden its the new in vogue philosophy to play vets over these guys at every position.

    Sports aren't so cut and dry. Veterans get extra playing time. Sometimes rookies that are big investments get extra playing time. It all depends on the situation. It's not nearly as simple as whoever wins in practice gets the most playing time on the court. Teams need to develop players and sometimes it takes the big game experience to develop them. Many times NFL teams play their rookie QB right from the start even if the backup is better because they know the rookie has the higher ceiling and they want to develop them and prepare them for the speed of the game as quickly as possible. I think people are just feeding off of the Chris Paul and Doc Rivers thing where Doc played Austin when the other players thought he shouldn't. Nepotism was the main reason for the angst there and in the end Austin Rivers has actually turned out to be a pretty solid basketball player.
  9. King Baller

    King Baller Well-Known Member

    I think you are right. If Zbo had been a King along with Joerger as Coach Boogie's carreer path would have looked much different. But what is done is done. I like all the Kings Vet moves.The Young Players will learn from these guys in a few minutes what would take years if they were thrown to the wolves. As someone who has lived a little bit myself I have learned to value experience. Having an old hand around can save young ones many hard learned lessons.
  10. Sac.Kings

    Sac.Kings Well-Known Member

    True, but at the same time we never had 50 million dollars before that we literally HAD to spend.
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  11. The Hammer

    The Hammer Well-Known Member

    If he didn't get it by then, he wasn't gonna get it with other vets.

    I love Cousins. Freakin love the guy.


    He just didn't get it. You cannot continually disrespect the officials with body language and expect things to go well for you. The officials will (rightly) get back at you with calls and no calls. Cousins was stuck at age 14 mentally and there's obviously something from his past or not having a father that is holding him back. This is the cold hard truth. I was much more on his side until I found out that he had been offered counselling, then requested to go to counselling, then basically required to go to counselling, and he refused every bit of it. I'm sorry but you cannot help someone who is unwilling to get help. I wish him the best.
  12. funkykingston

    funkykingston Well-Known Member

    Last year the goal was to make the playoffs. This year the goal is to develop the young guys.

    I have no idea how that will relate to playing time but given the strides that Skal and Papa made as well as the promise Malachi showed in glimpses before getting hurt and how well Buddy played after the trade, I have faith in Joerger and his staff. Not to mention Darrick Martin in Reno.

    I think Hill is clearly the best option at PG and will likely start. Beyond that? I think positions are up for grabs.

    If I had to guess I'd say the starters are:


    Though if Jackson or Richardson or Bogdanovic show enough I think the preference would be to bring VC off the bench as he's not in a position to play more than 20-24 mpg.
  13. pdizo916

    pdizo916 Active Member

    im glad that zbo and carter decided to come to sacramento but i thought they would be a better fit out west to ring chase.
  14. ESP47

    ESP47 Well-Known Member

    I agree with your starting lineup except I'd put Randolph in there over Skal. He's a Joerger guy so I think he will be starting. Now the bench gets a little hairy. With ZBo and Skal at the 4 and Koufos and WCS at the 5, that leaves Papa on the outside looking in unless a Koufos trade is made. Then you have Temple off the bench who could be taking a good bulk of minutes at the 2 or 3, leaving Malachi most likely as the guy on the outside looking in. I thought Malachi proved enough in Reno last year to earn himself solid minutes on the squad. After that the rest of the rookies are most likely in Reno.

    Reno's lineup could possibly be:


    Which to me would be much more exciting to watch than the handful of old guys we have up at the NBA level. I will probably be going to my first game in Reno this year if they have a bunch of the young guys playing there at the same time.
  15. upinsmoke

    upinsmoke Well-Known Member

    Zbo would have straightened DMC up or knocked him out. Whichever comes first.
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  16. allrightythen

    allrightythen Well-Known Member

    I think this year ends up similar to last year where the rookies (sans Bogdanovic and Fox) spend some time in Reno to start the year and then work their way onto the team as the year moves along. We'll still get plenty of youth with Fox, Bogs, Malachi, Skal, Buddy, WCS, and maybe Georgios all getting playing time early. After watching them bring the young guys along last year I'm going to defer to this coaching staff as they seem to have a good pulse on when guys are ready or need to start getting NBA minutes. Rookie contracts are at minimum 4 years (for 1st rounders) so we have plenty of time to develop them and give them a chance to play.

    I like the Vince Carter deal. It's a one year deal so it maintains flexibility and he's not really a big minute guy anymore so we still have minutes available for young guys to fight for.
  17. Kingster

    Kingster Well-Known Member

    Another nice signing. Carter is a well respected vet around the league. He'll be another strong mature voice leading the way for the youngins and it's not in any way affecting the Kings' ability to resign their young group down the line. I would think Carter might actually feel more comfortable at the 3 these days than the 2 because defensively he'd rather deal with strength than quickness. He should be a good mentor for Jackson and the the 2s on this team. It is finally obvious to the blind that Divac takes seriously the word, "culture." Carter, Hill, ZBO, are voices that should command respect in the locker room and on the court.

    Both ZBO and Carter aren't going to even want to play a lot of minutes on this team, probably at most 15 minutes/game for each; I think all this talk about veterans "taking" minutes from the young is a non-issue, more of something for the talking heads to chatter about, but has very little reality to it. How many minutes do you think ZBO and Carter are going to play on back-to-backs? :) The only possible position where "taking minutes" does become a reality is at point guard, where Hill, if healthy, could be playing a lot of minutes. But considering that point guard is the toughest position to play in the NBA, that Fox is only 19 years old and that he has plenty to learn, I just don't see that it's a big deal. If Fox gets 18 minutes and Hill 30 minutes a game, Fox is going to be learning plenty over an 82 game season. And even that scenario assumes that Hill remains healthy for all 82 games, which probably won't happen.
  18. kingsboi

    kingsboi Well-Known Member

    money talks, everything else walks. I don't see another team paying ZBo 12 million per
  19. Sac.1989

    Sac.1989 Well-Known Member

    great deal! Welcome Vinsanity
  20. ESP47

    ESP47 Well-Known Member

    You sure about that? Both guys played 25min/gm on a playoff team last year.
  21. Mike

    Mike Active Member

    I doubt it. I suppose had we put these calibre of veterans on the same team then perhaps it might have helped him because he came into the league young and immature, however Cousins strikes me as the type of person that is always going to be hard to control due to how he conducts himself on and off the court. That's not to say he isn't a damn good basketball player, but he's volatile and those guys are very tough to handle.
  22. Spike

    Spike Well-Known Member

    Seems like there was a more direct flight than the path he took:
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  23. Spike

    Spike Well-Known Member

    I think ZBO saying, "shut the hell up, kid" would have gone a long way.
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  24. Mike

    Mike Active Member

    Possibly. Or one of them could have ended up knocking the other out...
  25. OptimusRhyme

    OptimusRhyme Jive Turkey Contributor

    Absolutely loved Vinsanity growing up.
    Also, i don't know if it was mentioned in this thread but he won teammate of the year in 2016!
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  26. Sac.1989

    Sac.1989 Well-Known Member

    never thought id see the day we actually got solid vets.

    Under Dave next year will be transformational given we have the right mentors in the right roles.

    These guys arent just vets, they are straight up leaders. Consummate professionals who garner the respect of the league.
  27. Kingz19

    Kingz19 Well-Known Member

    Vince Carter won't be playing 25 minutes. He played 2 seasons under Joerger and averaged 16 minutes both seasons. That was with a Memphis team that has always been thin at the wing positions(especially offensively) and didn't have any real prospects. Still only 16 minutes for Carter.

    Fizdale extended his minutes because Memphis got even thinner at the wing positions last offseason with no real prospects demanding a look..and their SG acquisition(Parsons) season ended early.

    Carter is 15 minutes at the most this year and I'm not sure it's even a guarantee he starts. I can still see Bogdan and Buddy being our starting wings if both have great camps and preseason. Maybe even Garrett Temple is still in play to start at SF.

    Bench needs leadership as well.

    It's not allll about mentorship. It's about making the kids earn their minutes. I say good plan. Hundreds of rosters in history have been built with stocking up on high draft picks. Very few are successful even if a lot of those picks end up being successful individually.

    This is s smart play by our org. Bringing in veterans for the youngins to compete with and to take notes from...all of which are undoubtedly still NBA minutes worthy, even Carter.

    If Jackson can earn minutes over Carter as a rookie then that's a very good sign for the future of Jackson. Same with Fox maybe eating into Hills minutes. Papa, Skal, Willie, and Giles have to compete with each other in order to compete with KK and Z-Bo. They'll get their oppurtunities. The vets won't phone it in either because of the presence of hungry youths.

    I'm personally excited to watch it. We've seen a bunch of bumbling brats run the asylum before and THAT is what is "poopoo I don't want to watch all year". All it does is make fans become disillusioned about the future when we see kids play longer than they should and embarrass themselves...and we know it does the kids no favors.

    Don't worry...there will be plenty of youth movement to go around. Vlade, Perry, and Joerger are trying something different. This creates a selfless culture and creates a system where a team is 2 deep at every position and nothing is for granted. This is essential for a small market team to not only contend, but to have a sustained success.
  28. Vladizzle

    Vladizzle Well-Known Member

    VCs coaching will be his best aspect. He's helped turn a lot of young talents into smarter players. Remember Devin Harris?
    Exciting times
  29. Vladizzle

    Vladizzle Well-Known Member

    The more I think about this, I can't believe how awesome it is.

    Honestly Vince could miss every shot he takes this season and I'd still be excited to see Vince Carter walk out on the floor in a Kings uniform.
  30. ppine

    ppine Well-Known Member

    Vince is 40. He is in great shape and has a spectacular attitiude for helping younger players in practice, on the bench, in games and in the locker room. You cannot expect him to play that many minutes night after night. If he starts it will probably kind of ceremonial.
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