The Official: Start Bogdan and WCS together thread

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by ockingsfan, Dec 28, 2017.

  1. ockingsfan

    ockingsfan Well-Known Member

    I think that Bogdan and WCS should both be in the starting line up together!

    They have amazing chemistry and they feed off each other. They are both part of the youth movement and both needs to be in the starting line up together! Together, they are as exciting a duo as the Kings have had in a long, long time

    We all know that Joeger needs to have his vets, so ZBo and George Hill can continue to start (until they are traded ;)).

    The other spot in the starting line up should be DeArron Fox, when he is back healthy. But until then, Buddy should be starting at Shooting Guard with Bogdan at Small/Point Forward.

    My preference for our lineups is to try and maintain a 2 vet with 3 young core player on the floor at all times. You develop the youth and still have a veteran presence on the floor to help guide them (a Joeger requirement).

    My ideal lineup (when everyone is healthy) would be:

    PF: WCS / Skal
    SF: Bogdan / JJ / Temple
    C: ZBo / KK/ Papa G
    SG: Hill / Buddy (6th man) / Malichi
    PG: Fox / Mason

    Eventually, I would like Hill to be traded and Buddy to move into the starting SG spot, but that won't happen until the trade deadline, at the earliest.

    GO KINGS!!!
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  2. upinsmoke

    upinsmoke Well-Known Member

    I don't put to much into who's starting right now but if bogs can handle the rock like that it's time to find Hill a new home.
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  3. Iced Espresso

    Iced Espresso Well-Known Member

    I'm afraid to touch it.
  4. Gliesian

    Gliesian Well-Known Member

    I'm wondering if Bog is a better pg than Fox in the future. I hope Fox plays better when he comes back.
  5. KingsSelecao

    KingsSelecao Active Member

    At 20 mil per. No team is going to be interested. Unless, it means Sac is taking back a heinous contract or 2.
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  6. KingsSelecao

    KingsSelecao Active Member


    If that's the case, Vlade should be fired. Another wasted pick and gaff.
  7. KingsSelecao

    KingsSelecao Active Member


    Bogdan can handle the 3 on spot duty. As a starter. No way. He can gravitate between 1 and 2.
  8. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    I think this is premature by about half a season. The Kings are starting to gel, due in no small part to the way Joerger is bringing them along. Let him continue to do so.
  9. Gliesian

    Gliesian Well-Known Member

    Hmm, not if he was BPA. Fox could still be a great player and have high trade value. Gotta give Vlade credit for getting Bog!
    It really looked like Bog could be the PG of our future last night and I would like to see him start as one to see how it goes.

    Someone with that much passing ability and IQ should not be at SG unless he is turnover prone, which he doesn't seem to be. And he can hit the 3!! One thing is for sure, Hill doesn't seem like the mentoring type and needs to go to a playoff team ASAP!
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  10. upinsmoke

    upinsmoke Well-Known Member

    He's not at that point in his career but he does have some value around the league.
  11. SacTownKid

    SacTownKid Well-Known Member

    For Joergers system now he's a better fit, but as always, let Fox run that same pick and roll they let Bogdan run and see what happens. Look at what happened to Mason in this last game. He got stuck with the starting PG hot potato where less pick and roll was run and surprise, surprise, he disappeared.

    Willie is a pick and roll big. Fox projects to be a pick and roll slashing guard. Common sense people.
  12. pshn80

    pshn80 Well-Known Member

    All sounds good but I would leave it to Joerger and Vlade. I would prefer keeping the roster we have through the end of the season.

    Reading the suggestions about trading the vets, especially Temple, Hill and Koufos, it makes me think/appreciate what a good job Vlade has done n picking vets - Koufos and Temple last year and Zbo, Carter and Hill this year. The players of least use to the team so far this season are Fox and Skal and we sure as heck not going to get rid of them.

    As I have said before I think I’ll stick with Joerger for the job of “herding the cats”.
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  13. Gliesian

    Gliesian Well-Known Member

    OK, so Fox might be able to do pick and rolls better than Bogs in a few years. I don't see how it's common sense that he will be a better all around PG because of that.
  14. Entity

    Entity Well-Known Member

    I can do without Hill. But a 3 man guard rotation with buddy, fox and bogs is a possibility. With mason getting min here and there and Richardson if somebody gets injured.
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  15. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    Ah, come on. Joerger himself has been changing his lineups around to get a better or different look at each player, and to find the best combinations. Why not have a longer look at Bogie and WCS as starters? Their play is definitely crowd-pleasing. It is ironic that Bogie may be our best PG so far this year. Well, maybe not PG, but playmaker.
  16. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    So far, Buddy has really thrived as a 6th man - not unlike Jamal Crawford. If he becomes our starting SG, so much the better. But every serious contender needs an instant offense guy, and Buddy can do that.
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  17. John Galt

    John Galt Well-Known Member

    Lol at anybody giving up on Fox in December of his first NBA season. Or even better: “what shall we do with Fox, now that Bogi has been annointed”.

    Love it. Y’all cray
  18. ESP47

    ESP47 Well-Known Member

    Bogie is a good secondary ball handler but he is not a PG.
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  19. kingsfan1984

    kingsfan1984 Well-Known Member

    I watched bogie the other game get mins at pg and it lasted a few mins and 2 turnovers before it was over. He is fine in the half court but you dont want him handling the ball full time.

    It was to start tje 2nd half 3 or 4 gamea ago. Didnt look good in the roll.
  20. kingsboi

    kingsboi Well-Known Member

    the starting line up fluctuates constantly anyway, the only constants are Temple & slow-bo. Play them if the match up warrants it. This same line up didn't do a thing versus the Clippers, Cleveland simply wasn't interested in playing last night. That was obvious as day. Clippers took it to the Kings from the beginning.
  21. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    I’m fine with trading a couple of our vets, including Hill - depending on the return,’of course.
    But if you’re coming to your conclusion about Hill not wanting to be a mentor based on his facial gestures, he’s always been a mono-gesture kind of guy.
  22. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    Hill as a SG is a nice piece to have....his defense is solid. They will trade him if the deal is right.
  23. Kingsfan23

    Kingsfan23 Well-Known Member

    Only this team would start Temple constantly.. Old reliable.. At times he just blends in with the scenery, at times his lack of talent is exposed with the rest of the starting unit.. Will be a good day when a player of significance is starting in his role
  24. kingsboi

    kingsboi Well-Known Member

    I don't mind having a Temple on the team, good guy to have around. But he has no business starting but Joerger loves him so he will start until he is gone or injured.
  25. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    I think where we differ is I have faith in Joerger and what he's done so far and fully trust in him to start Bogs/WCS when the time is right AND it doesn't have a negative impact on the incredible job the bench is doing.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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  26. King Baller

    King Baller Well-Known Member

    So defending Lebron well and that sweet chase down block that caused a 4 point swing to change the momentum of the Cavs game was not significant?
    Last edited: Dec 29, 2017
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  27. KingsSelecao

    KingsSelecao Active Member

    It's one pointless game against one of the greatest of all time.( Who was playing like he didn't give a rats azz) When Lebron is dialed in, Bogdan is no match. At the end of the season, The Cavs will be in the Finals again and Bogdan will be fishing in the waters of Lake Minnetonka. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in one game. Short term memory. Bogdan was lit up against the Clips a few nights earlier.
  28. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    Patently untrue.
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  29. Larry David

    Larry David Well-Known Member

    The thread flags two youngish players who have played well recently. The thread proposes expanding their roles and minutes.

    I think this would be prudent. The expanded reps and responsibilities seem both appropriate and I’m totally comfortable with running the risk of losing a few more games during the (potential) growing pains.

    Your responses reflects a desire to stay the course lest we stop racking up wins on the backs of veterans that are nba short timers.

    This is why recasting the rebuild talk as folks only wanting LINS is nonsense. Moreover, the false choice of either chasing wis at the expense of development opportunities OR full blown trying to loose games to tank as the only options.

    Expanding the roles of these players has both potential long term gains and mild risks of some moderate growing pains (which carry some mathematical benefits for those interested in math and looking more than 45 days out)
  30. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    No, my response reflects a desire to let Coach Joerger bring the kids along at the pace he deems best. It seems to be working well thus far. It's December. I strongly suspect their roles will be expanded as they build on what they're learning. I'm not concerned about the wins or losses. I'm concerned about building a team on a strong foundation, a team that knows their strengths and weaknesses, how to win AND how not to lose, etc.

    I understand you and others don't agree. That's fine. Please, however, do not distort what I'm saying by making assumptions that are simply untrue.

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