The Kings Future Might Be Brighter than One Thinks

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by CruzDude, Feb 27, 2017.

  1. Glenn

    Glenn Well-Known Member Contributor

    I don't remember exactly who left but I think Thorpe was one and I forget the Derek Smith deal. I think we acquired him and his bad knees. Don't yell at me 'cause I don't remember except we were set up for a decade of the worst basketball the league has seen. I am not exaggerating. It was impressive/depressing.
  2. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    IIRC, our franchise was touted as one of the very best around that time. :)
  3. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Otis Thorpe came later, and I'm not sure that Axelson was responsible for that one. But he started by trading Mike Woodson, our starting SG, and Larry Drew our backup PG and a future 1st round pick for Derek Smith, who as you said, had two bad knee's. We liked players with bad knee's so much, we later went out and Ralph Sampson. It was painful to watch Sampson run up and down the court. He ran like he was on hot coals.
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  4. Glenn

    Glenn Well-Known Member Contributor

    I remember watching Sampson. It was sad. Why would we get him? That's the problem, isn't it? Name recognition was a big deal for us dumb fans.
  5. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Cousins was in the middle of a media session that was being filmed when he was told of the trade. Did Vlade try and contact him and couldn't, so then contacted his agent? I don't know. Was the person that came and whispered in his ear that he had been traded a surrogate of his agent? I don't know. If Vlade did try and inform Cousins, then he should make that public. Was the entire thing handled poorly? Yes, it was! Were there circumstances beyond Vlade's control? Maybe, but I don't know.

    What I do know is that Cousins agent was informed that the Kings were shopping Cousins, because he contacted many of the teams that were interested and told them that Cousins wouldn't sign an extension with them. If Cousins agent knew, then I think we can assume that Cousins knew. Did Vlade say that he wasn't going to trade Cousins? Yep, sure did. And every time I hear a GM say they're not going to trade a player, the first thing I think of is, they're going to trade that player. That's usually now it works. That's how a team tries to raise the asking price.

    I try and look at every trade or signing from the point of view of whether the team is better or worse because of it. When the return is youth and draft picks, it's impossible to know for sure what the long term result is. How do you compare in the long term, the unknown results of unknown players, except for Hield to a player like Cousins. Obviously Cousins is better right now than Hield or any player the Kings draft. But three years from now, who knows? So if your a Cousins fan, and your upset, I get it. And I suspect that if the trade had gone down smoothly without a hitch, you'd still be upset. All the mishandling did was add more fuel to the fire.
  6. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    I think name recognition was an important part of both the Derek Smith and Ralph Sampson deals. And your right, it's sad. How about the irony of this, Axelson went hired Phil Johnson as the head coach of the Kings. a coach he had fired years earlier.
  7. Telemachus

    Telemachus Well-Known Member

    I believe Thorpe was drafted the year before they moved to Sacramento. After a season in Sac, he was traded because Axelson didn't think he would re-sign when his contact was up.
  8. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    I agree with almost all of your post, except that it's not a certainty that DMC's agents (or sub-agents) told DMC he was being shopped. Imagine being a high powered agent to NBA stars. You would have a whole network of contacts among the team owners and execs, and among the media. If you get wind (from any source you trust) that your client was being shopped, and that such a trade would potentially lose your client many millions of dollars in their next contract, you would take action. How? Not by running to your client with rumors and innuendo, but by discouraging other teams from pursuing trade talks (e.g. "With all due respect, my client is not interested in re-signing with your team. We wanted you to know that."). You wouldn't necessarily inform your client of this unless it got serious. Otherwise, it's just all in a day's work for an agent. I think DMC's agent was just doing what they do to serve the best interests of their client, and expected that they would be successful in preventing a trade.
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  9. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    Question: A lot of trades these days that include a first-round pick are protected (top 3, top 10, or whatever). If the pick is affected by the lottery, is it ALWAYS the case that the protection applies to the order of picks after the lottery (and never before the lottery results)? If so, why would we assume that to be the case?
    With regard to the Pelican's top 3 protected draft pick that the Kings acquired in the DMC trade, it seems to be everyone's assumption that it refers to the top 3 as determined by the lottery. But I never saw that defined specifically.
  10. Suicide King

    Suicide King Well-Known Member

    I think you are mixing the Pelicans place in the standings based on record with draft position.

    Draft position is all that matters which is not set until the lottery is done.
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  11. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    That person was Chris Clark, head of media relations for the Kings.
  12. whozit

    whozit Well-Known Member

    Yes, I'm a Cousins fan. But I'm not on a Pelicans board and have no desire to do so. I will watch with interest what happens down there but I'm not planning on becoming a Pelicans' fan. I did not like how it went down and I did not like what the Kings got in return. I didn't like it from the Kings perspective not because of the Cousins perspective.

    But you know what, I can understand why the Kings may have done it. And I can live with that. And I'm still here, hoping the youngsters pan out. If I could just pick another team, I would've been gone a long time ago. Not that easy.
  13. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    Tell me about it. :)
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  14. KingsFanSince85

    KingsFanSince85 Well-Known Member

    You're correct in that he was drafted the year before the team moved to Sac. But he played here for 3 seasons, not 1. Most fans have a favorite player and he was my very first once I started learning about the team. I liked Theus, Eddie Johnson and Terry Tyler too, but Otis was the young up and coming talent I latched on to. I still remember when he won a player of the week award and the arena went crazy when it was announced. We didn't have much to cheer about back then.
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  15. Telemachus

    Telemachus Well-Known Member

    That's what I get for relying on my memory.
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  16. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Lets be clear, I'm not criticizing Cousins agent. He, or they were doing what they thought was best for Cousins, and of course, themselves. The agent gets a percentage of what his client makes, so if I'm an agent and I think my client is about to lose the opportunity to sign a 220 million dollar contract, I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that doesn't happen. But your right, I can't prove or validate that Cousins agent was informed. Like most of this story, all I have to go on other than the results, are reports or rumors by various publications, podcasts and sports writers on Twitter, and facebook etc.
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  17. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    The protection applies to whatever the final standings are after the lottery. If the Pel's are lets say in the 6th spot prior to the lottery, where we would retain the pick, but get lucky and move up into the top three, we would then lose the pick this year, and the rights would then move to next year, where it's only top one protected.
  18. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Yeah, Otis was one of my favorite players as well. I played golf in a foursome right behind him at Auburn Valley Country Club one day. One of the funniest sights I ever saw, was 6'11" Otis bent over with what appeared to be a tiny golf club, by comparison to him, trying to hit a golf ball. He could hit it a long way, but seldom into the fairway. Not a good thing at Auburn Valley Country Club. Very nice guy though who kept apologizing for slow play. Of course we traded him to Houston who then went on to win a world championship. Otis was probably the best player on that team after Reggie.

    By the way, he was playing with Jim Otto, who lives at Auburn Valley Country Club. It was sad to watch Jim Otto try to walk. I have no idea how many operations he's had, but the man was just a shell of the player he used to be. The dude could still hit a golf ball though.
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  19. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

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  21. John Galt

    John Galt Well-Known Member

  22. gunks

    gunks Well-Known Member

    I'm feelin this thread tonight!
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  23. kingdivac

    kingdivac Well-Known Member

    Go UCD Aggies.
  24. kingdivac

    kingdivac Well-Known Member

    Hield reminds of Stephen "Captain Jack" Jackson when on the Warriors awhile back.
  25. Kingster

    Kingster Well-Known Member

  26. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    After two wins in a row, and thinking about where we want to be with our draft position, I'm thinking that Joerger might want to give the youngsters some days off and play the veterans more.
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  27. andjel

    andjel Well-Known Member

    Probably does not matter. Lets not forget who are the last two teams we played and check who are the teams for the remaining of the month (OKC, Spurs, Bucks, GSW, Memphis, Jazz, NO).
    Winning more than one game regardless who plays would be a big surprise. One game might be too generous.
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  28. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    I guess I should've use the sarcasm emoji...
  29. andjel

    andjel Well-Known Member

    that would help, though what you said does make sense even without sarcasm... youngsters will have more chance to win than the veterans. Not much more, but still more, and we do want a better draft spot.
  30. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    LOL! Thanks, I needed that....:D

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