The art and agony of the tank (split from game thread)

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by New Era, Apr 1, 2017.

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  1. New Era

    New Era Well-Known Member

    I can't believe we won this game. What a disaster. We are probably going to win as many games as last year with a full year of our HOF'er DMC.
  2. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    Carmichael Dave‏Verified account@CarmichaelDave 36m36 minutes ago

    I'm sorry, but a road win against Minnesota at this point of the season is completely and utterly worthless



    Replying to @CarmichaelDave
    I don't think the players feel that way. And WCS just said as much. Blame Vlade. He should have dumped ALL the vets for a good tank.


    Carmichael Dave‏Verified account@CarmichaelDave 9m9 minutes ago

    Agreed. I've said twice tonight: I don't blame the players ONE BIT. Good for them. Doing what they're paid to do


    Grant Napear‏Verified account@GrantNapearshow 5m5 minutes ago
    Grant Napear Retweeted Christine Gillespie

    You don't know what the hell you're talking about! Koufos..Temple and Evans didn't play tonight. Blame Vlade? Good lord!


    Replying to @GrantNapearshow
    I'm arguing with people who WANT THE KINGS TO LOSE and are mad about tonight's game. I do what I'm talking about. I'm glad they won.


    Grant Napear‏Verified account@GrantNapearshow 4m4 minutes ago
    My bad. Sorry



    Replying to @CarmichaelDave
    Please tell @GrantNapearshow to quit yelling at me. :)


    Grant Napear‏Verified account@GrantNapearshow 3m3 minutes ago


    I think I may be the only person around who has been bullied by Grant Napear without ever calling his show. I should call on Monday...

    Score so far:
    VF21 - 2
    Howdy Doody - 0
  3. theclash4u5

    theclash4u5 Well-Known Member

    Grant is a company man and Dave is the voice of the people. No surprise there.
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  4. Jimbob

    Jimbob Well-Known Member

    It does not bother me at all that some fans are happy to see the Kings win regardless the consequence of the win. I'm probably one of the least likely posters to question anyone's thoughts or feelings about this game and hope others reciprocate.

    True I can't get excited about this win as I think we are seeing plenty of teams tanking down the stretch and when you play one of them I would rather cash in on benefit of the lose. These young players know we appreciate their effort and they are building plenty of confidence and camaraderie regardless.
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  5. Kingz19

    Kingz19 Well-Known Member

    Lol he said he was sorry
  6. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    Yeah, I suppose I should be proud of that. I can't think of too many times when he's apologized for anybody. :)
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  7. Warhawk

    Warhawk The cake is a lie. Staff Member Contributor

    ....and what the hell do I know? Guess i should have watched the game!
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  8. ockingsfan

    ockingsfan Well-Known Member

    Although I would had preferred a loss tonight, our floor for the draft is really philly. No matter how many we win, as long as we stay in the bottom 8 and one win in front of philly, that is our best case scenario.

    If we lose and philly passes us in the draft order, philly gets the higher pick anyways.

    Enjoy the win guys, but Dallas is a must lose now!
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  9. SLAB

    SLAB Well-Known Member

    So realistically what are our picks looking like?

    8 (us) and 10 (Nola) That range? And is there still a chance we send our pick to Chicago? What are the percentages on that? Is there a point where it's 0% we pick 10 or up and we're guaranteed our pick?
  10. KingsFanSince85

    KingsFanSince85 Well-Known Member

    That's because a majority of those wins were with Cousins. Believe it or not, they were on pace to eclipse last seasons win total before the lame trade. Their win % was .420 before the trade and .300 since. But nice try trying to drastically spin and exaggerate things like you usually do.
  11. Kingz19

    Kingz19 Well-Known Member

    Likely zero. Don't think we'll finish ahead of Dallas and We're still behind Minnesota. Worst case is we finish better than Minny and Dallas and one of the low lottery teams lucks out and bumps everybody down a spot. Still time though. At this point it's not a huge deal. We're wining here and there but really, so is everybody else in our range. Our best case is number 6 and that hasn't changed and we can still very much end up there..with the pick swap we have to look where philly is though. we're either after them or where they're at
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  12. pshn80

    pshn80 Well-Known Member

    Good win,guys.
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  13. Kingster

    Kingster Well-Known Member

    Of course you blame Divac! What a ridiculous move by Divac to play so many vets in this is game. Heck, Divac didn't care about being out of the top 3, so what the hell, let's insure we're out of the top 6, or maybe the top 9! Absolutely idiotic. So typical. Let's all have a party for being so freaking stupid! I can't wait to hear from Divac that "we were hoping to get one of the top three players, but we just were too far down in the draft to make a deal." You know, something along the lines of:
    "I could have gotten a better deal earlier (but I didn't)."
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  14. ockingsfan

    ockingsfan Well-Known Member

    If we finish 7th, no way we lose the pick to Chicago.

    If we are at 8, there is a very small chance we lose the pick, pretty safe.

    If we are 9 or 10, knowing our luck, we are probably screwed.

    If we lose out from here, not likely, we could move up to 6 or 7, but philly gets the higher pick, between us and them.
  15. upinsmoke

    upinsmoke Well-Known Member

    This team is alot less Kangz than the team that opened up the season. These guys keep fighting.
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  16. ockingsfan

    ockingsfan Well-Known Member

    Maybe if the Kings really want to tank, they should rest Buddy and WCS for the rest of the season! ;)
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  17. Jimbob

    Jimbob Well-Known Member

    thats the truth
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  18. KingsFanGER

    KingsFanGER Well-Known Member

    Couldn't agree more. Joerger is the only one truly committed to some sort of hard working, winning culture. His Desire to get his players to win against all odds and his revealing comment about how talent wins not character are just signs how he is simply not on board with the Plan of a full scale rebuild. He even said so in his opening Interview in SAC. To make Joerger lose games Vlade should have traded the most of our veterans at the deadline. But like usual he was too incompetent and too bad of a negotiator to do so.
    He was fleeced in the Philly trade, he couldn't get a Gay trade done, he did trade DMC for laughable value and in a classless way and he couldn't find any deals for his mediocre vets before the deadline. In a year he contradicted everything he used to sign a respectable Nba coach.
    Im so fed up with this. First after the trade I thought I would find a way to regain my trust in the FO after some time, but sadly I just cant stomach this anymore. Im rooting for our younglings and Joerger like everybody else on this board, but I dont have a glimpse of hope for the Future as long as Vlade Divac is our GM. Im really hoping the league somehow forces Vivek to add more competence to his FO.
  19. kingdivac

    kingdivac Well-Known Member

    This win vs Wolves was bumbling for the draft....moved the Wolves into a tie in the win column and the Knicks one game ahead. I'd reckon the Kings go 4-1 the rest of the schedule only losing to the Rockets and assure themselves a chance at losing the pick to the Bulls? That would be extremely disappointing to see them lose the pick to the Bulls.

    Meanwhile the Pelicans would have to go 6-0 and have the Trailblazers go 0-6 to overtake them. With a game vs GS, that is unlikely. The way the Pelicans are playing though, 4-2 is not unreasonable....and the Kings pick from them goes down to 11-13 least its a pick.
  20. mdme

    mdme Active Member

    Knowing our luck we finish 10th then lose both our picks when NO jumps into the top 3. Smh.
  21. King Baller

    King Baller Well-Known Member

    The sky is falling:)

    Never seen the like after a win.
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  22. Spike

    Spike Well-Known Member

    We knew this would be an issue, however.

    When we talked about the schedule BTDMC, we looked at the late season schedule and saw that it was an opportunity to win quite a few games against some really bad teams and either solidify our playoff seeding or make a strong push for the 8th spot.

    ATDMC doesn't change the fact that our schedule is still weak to close out the season. A majority of these games are still winnable given our coach and remaining roster, unless you really go out of your way to throw some games, and Joerger doesn't play that way. Again, that falls on FO shortsightedness. This schedule wasn't built for late taking.

    maybe genius on their end, knowing this schedule could push us into the playoffs with DMC, making it nearly impossible to move him from a fan perspective, and thereby having to pay up $$$ to keep him.

    But that's too much credit.
  23. andjel

    andjel Well-Known Member

    First, good news, we are not losing our draft pick this year. Even going 4-1 we cannot be better than 9th spot which means that two teams have to jump over us to lose the pick. Chances of that are less than 0.3%.

    Second, bad news, yes this win does suck from the lottery perspective.
    Who wants to enjoy short term satisfaction of the win, power to you.
    The price is that we are solidly at the 8th spot with one win against Mavs away from having a very good shot at the 9th slot in the draft.

    With a win against the Mavs, we would have a winning record against both, Mavs and TWolves.
    We also have the easiest schedule the rest of the way.
    Wolves do not have to tank to go 1- 6 (Portland twice, GSW, Utah, OKC, Rockets, Lakers).
    Mavs have easier schedule (Bucks, Kings, Clippers, Spurs, Suns, Denver and Memphis), but mostly away games. If they lose to us they are looking at 1-3 wins range.
    We have the easiest games (Mavs, Lakers, Houston, Suns, Clippers). Win over Mavs gets us to 3 wins.
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2017
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  24. Kingsfan23

    Kingsfan23 Well-Known Member

    Yes, Joerger has made under the breath comments that seem to signal he wasn't on board with the trade. I remember him specifically saying before the Thunder game that getting Gibson/McDermott was the "wisest" move at the deadline
  25. Npliam

    Npliam Well-Known Member

    Your spot in the draft seems like it is much less important than who you guys have making the draft day decisions. There have been good player available in every draft no matter where you draft. I realize that given the choice between picking 6th or picking 8th it is better to pick 6th but picking 6th in no way guarantees that you will have a successful draft and it doesn't mean that the 8th player taken wont be better that the 6th player taken.

    Vlade appears to know what he is doing in the draft and you have a head coach that seems like he can develop players. Things are looking up for Kings fans.
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  26. Spike

    Spike Well-Known Member

    These are the Kings we're talking about.
  27. ockingsfan

    ockingsfan Well-Known Member

    The Dallas game is really a MUST LOSE now!!! o_O
  28. pshn80

    pshn80 Well-Known Member

    Oh, why not? Give 'em full credit. While we contribute so many thousands of ideas, criticisms, expressions of despair, decisions, wonderful suggestions, with several dashes of praise, the ownership, FO, coaching staff are thinking, planning, deciding direction, discussing trade ideas, evaluating our players, other players, draft options, fan opinion, scouting reports, strategies in the draft, in other words, conspiring to get us the best damn team possible. So I know they are conspiring and I'm confident tha if they don't get where they want, it won't be for the lack smarts, effort or consping. I've got a good seat on the sidelines.
  29. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but not McLemore. He's too old.
  30. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    There's this silly rule, though, that says we have to put 5 players on the floor. Who if not Ben?
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