Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by kingjatt, Mar 27, 2017.
Because hiring the coach before the GM has worked out so well for us in the past.
Stop. Just stop. Just let something happen for once!
No and I agree, that this is the one point of concern. Before hiring a New GM it has to be absolutely clear, that the New guy and Joerger are on the same page. We can't afford to lose a good Coach.
But in my mind there is no doubt, that a Hinkie+Joerger tandem is simply vastly superior to a Vlade+Joerger tandem.
We already let things happen and it wasnt pretty so far. Continuity and stability are important, but only when you find a combination of executives and coaches, which works.
Yet even with all the wonderful GM work Hinkie has done Philly has a worse record than the Kings. IMO Hinkie is fools gold, a sham and a con man.
This is it 100%. The Kings need stability over and above everything else. Changing the Front Office now is just another version of "Nik Rocks".
STOP IT VIVEK!!!!!!!!
Once again hiring the Coach before the GM cannot work. There can only be one man in charge of Basketball Operations.
Here we are staring at the most important Draft in a long while and we get this crap. What the heck is Vivek thinking?
You guys want to be Philly 2.0? I can't freaking believe it. First the Malone debacle. Then trading DMC. And now this? Vivek is out of his freaking mind.
The timing is incredibly bad on this.
This post x100.
Does it really matter who we trade for? Who we hire? Who is coach......... if the guy ultimately pulling the strings is a basketball moron?
He doesn't seem to be learning from his many many many many many many many many many mistakes. What is there to be hopeful about if Vivek keeps changing direction every couple of years? How easy is it to change this guys mind?
I'm so angry about this rudderless franchise I just want to F'ing scream!!!!!!!!!!
Carmichael Dave talked to a well regarded NBA reporter the day of the cousins trade and he couldn't stress enough that vlade and Vivek had to get on the right track before this draft because this team ABSOLUTLEY has to do right in this draft. They need to get it right.
Well, pulling this sh** right before the lottery doesn't instill tons of confidence in this kings fan.
What exactly is it that makes Hinkie so good?
The Sixers are terrible, lose more than anyone and then get a top 3 pick every year.
Who would have thunk that having the worst record in the league would land you a top pick in the draft? This guy is like Einstein levels of genius!
You're wrong. Curry came into the league as a 21 yearold. Hield was turning 23.
Was just going to post something like this. Literally anyone could have did what he did which is trade off assets, keep and take flyers on young guys, fill out roster with Carl Landry types to reach cap floor.
Here's the thing though, I really think he screwed Philly by continually drafting the bigs. Hinkie may be the most overrated GM out there. Not saying he's terrible but he's so overrated.
Then why couldn't the Kings do that?
2011: 7th pick
2012: 5th pick
2013: 7th pick
2014: 8th pick
2015: 6th pick
2016: 8th pick
We can't even tank right. Decide to rebuild, but didn't trade any vets outside of cutting Barnes. Decide to rebuild, yet still decide to go 4-4 for our last 8. This might be why we need Hinkie. However, I don't think we need to can Vlade this soon unless he pulls another dumbass Philly trade 2.0. Vivek is ahead of himself.
this is real life nba2k for vivek. my apologies vlade your climbing a slippery mountain.
I disagree. IMO, the Kings are both poorly owned and poorly run by a front office that is both unqualified and understaffed in scouting and people who get how a modern front office works. The Kings have one summer with two picks before the assets dry up big time for 23 months. Odds favor that the Kings are still bad in 2019, the Kings convey a super high pick the 76ers, and the Kings are prepared to deal with the fan fallout of completely blowing out Vlade and firing him. Odds favor that's the track they are on.
Vivek is the king of "Oh, that's interesting let's try that" so he's probably now interested in how the Lakers made Magic the face of the franchise for fans and some players meetings, but Jeannie and Pelinka are going to do the long term planning and have the most say in most of the move.
As compared to just letting Vlade try to swim or sink over the next 18 months and particular the next 3, it probably makes sense to take his hand off the wheel, make him the figurehead face they initially hired him to be, and if he and Peja are displease and/or leave ... so be it because they are on track to be out in 18-36 months anyhow.
Vivek is an impatient guy with bad instincts, but the Kings talent and structure up top is not good. Not making change does not always equal stability.
With respect to what was said in the pregame (I assume)? Unfortunately, Ham and others talked with certainty about the organization wanting to strengthen itself, but in generalities about how exactly they would do so. I was waiting for Koz to ask a couple of questions of what exactly such "strengthening" would look like, but it never happened.
Ahh, now I see the part you bolded. There was one statement on that; nothing specific. I'll see if I can wind back the DVR to quote the exact sentence on the NBA role.
I didn't know that Catanella was involved in the strategy to trade down in the draft. Is something that was widely reported (that I missed) or is it something that was inferred from what happened?
Why did he draft Oakhfor over Russell? That needs to be answered if Hinkie even flew into my city if I was an owner.
He probably didn't draft Russell at third, because Russell went off the board with the second pick.
we are a complete farce. Vlade will be forever remembered for that trade.
If we had competent management you wait before making a significant trade like that, you dont do in then bring in a new GM to pick up the pieces - seriously this is just another in the long list of Vivek led decisions that wreak of flavor of the month.
Forever rudderless, there is no direction.
If i was Hinkie im straight up asking for all power and negotiating the biggest severance clauses, ripping the Kings for the second time and laughing all the way to the bank when Vivek doesnt like what he sees. Easy pay day just like the one Karl earned. Just play hard to get for now Sam and you'll get everything you want.
Viveks probably whispering you sweet nothings...'we're going to get you Sam, we're going to get you'
One more thing I wanted to add. Vivek is on incredibly thin ice with the fans. One thing that could break the camels back is if he were to fire VLADE freaking DIVAC who besides the Philly trade is beloved by the fans no matter what a few outspoken fans might say. It's why you don't hire friends and family in business because it becomes personal when you have to fire them.
You have been warned Vivek!
Philly has picked Simmons, Okafor and Embiid with a 1st, 3rd and 3rd pick in the draft. The Kings haven't picked higher than 5th and we've also never even moved up 1 single spot in the lottery. We either stay where we're at or we move backward.
I'm with you on the tanking right point. Winning these games against playoff teams with a bunch of tanking teams coming up with awful. Problem is that you can't make the players tank and you can't make the coach tank. All you can do is adjust the roster so tanking is inevitable.
I just don't think Hinkie did anything special while he was in Philly. I don't see anything there that some random semi educated fan off the street could have done. He took a chance on some picks, played it safe on some picks and traded away assets for future youth assets. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Seconded, except I don't see the Philly trade as badly as most. If anyone cares to argue this state in a couple of plain non-flowery sentences what Divac gave away UP UNTIL THIS POINT IN TIME.
Excuse me where did I say they were the same age? Curry was an "old rookie" compared to one-and-done freshman who come into league at 19 like Tyreke did in that same draft. Curry was 21 and 3 months when he was drafted. Hield was 22 and 6 months when he was drafted. Nice try adding 6 months to his age to make him seem older.
Vivek needs to step back and let things play out for once!
Us fans really hate these knee jerk reactions Vivek always makes!
The fans want something we can latch on to and cheer for, not constant changes every time the freaking wind blows in a different direction!
Vivek, please give Vlade the 2 years he ask for to reshape this team, we are looking pretty good so far and this team is really working it's a$! off!
Until this point in time, nice. Nice move of the goal posts. That's not quite like saying, tell me what's wrong with the travel experience of the Titanic UP UNTIL 15 minutes before it hit the iceberg ... but come on. I doubt they convey anything this summer either, and yet its still a horrible trade.
It was horrible 10 minutes after they made the trade for reasons that have been detailed (if folks can't see that or want to look past it, to each their own) That they mortgaged and gambled so much when the simply didn't have to was stupid when they were committed to packing the building until the new wore off with 2-3 seasons of playoff runs and resigning Cousins was stupid.
That they gave up an unprotected 2019 pick to go for broke and "win now", and just 18 months later they decide to totally blow it up and rebuild, is INSANE. Again, INSANE. If you are thinking "You know, maybe we take a stab at gunning for the 2017 - 2019 playoffs, but if things don't pan out we've gotta be prepared to hit the rest button" you cannot make the 76ers trade. You can't. Conversely, if you are tossing out unprotected picks and pick swaps because you don't want to carry 5 million of dead money against a 100 million dollar cap without a firm decision of when you're prepared to blow it up ... that's even way worse.
And I'm pretty sure it's the latter. They got no bites in free agency, Rondo and Mathews were languishing a bit, and the Kings wanted to match a lets pair you two up and overpay pitch and somehow decided that clearing the cap before they got their commitments would show them they were for real. So, they did the 76ers trade without using the stretch provision, either because they didn't get it or because they were so sure they would be good that they'd need that extra 5 million to push them higher.
Later ... after years of win now moves or engaging Cousins offers ... they just abruptly shift course and trade Cousins over the course of a weekend.
For a while, the Kings have dealt with a structural issue that Vlade doesn't have at least the reps and perhaps the chops to be a GM, but they've decided to keep that structure intact because they like Vlade. Lakers make Magic the face but not the GM, and now the Kings are shopping for a GM.
All of these plus the Mike Malone thing shows that the Kings are stubbornly prepared to swim upstream and suffer the lost opportunity costs along the way ... until the owner abruptly gets a whim and pivots and the house of cards falls in again.
He's owned the team for four seasons. This is the third spring in a row where the franchise has totally flat lined and the owner was contemplating who should be his coach and/or GM. This is nowhere near normal. Not even close.
The Kings still have their first round pick in 2018, so the bolded statement is not accurate.
Other owners need to man up, find themselves a buyer for Vivek's shares, and kick that goblin to the curb.
And of course they're denying these rumors now, because it's such a bad look. But every time there's been smoke, there's been fire. .... and that flaming bag of dog poop is Vivek.
Just because the Kings haven't been good, doesn't make Hinkie's failure in Philadelphia any better.
We as fans may not have a chair on the board but we can vote with our wallets. I'm sharpening my pitchfork now ONE more meddling move that sets us back I'm going to organize a movement to boycott this ####.