Rudy Gay Plans To Opt Out (ESPN)

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by Capt. Factorial, May 8, 2017.

  1. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Well, not sure whose fault it was, but I don't think the Bellineli signing worked out very well, and I think Afflalo played fairly well, but I don't think he was a great fit. I think when you see what we got out of Rondo, and then Lawson, and the money we paid them, he looks like a genius.
  2. KingsFanGER

    KingsFanGER Well-Known Member

    potential future borderline all-star? That's a massive burden you put onto Malachi with those expectations. When it's all said and done, we are looking at a very young man, who played 22 games, shot 28% from 3 and 41% overall, scoring 3.6 PPG and who played with maximum effort in the limited minutes he was given.
    That's his contribution so far in terms of results. Nothing there screams future all-star.

    Now I know - stats aren't everything and Malachi showed some nice jab steps and escape dribbles and played with effort on D, but I will say one thing - you give an NBA level talent a certain amount of opportunity to show his skills and encourage him not to be a mere bystander on the court, who only plays a certain role and you will always see flashes of skill with every NBA level player. All those guys are extremely talented basketball players. That's doesn't mean all of them are going to be all-stars.

    Why not take the wait and see approach with the young guys? Why put steep expectations on them, only to try to paint the body of work of Vlade Divac in a positive way?
    To me it's more reasonable to wait what happens, when teams actually start gameplanning for our young guns. The moment, when players begin to draw double teams and the way they handle that, is usually the moment, when I make my mind about things like all-star potential. And most young players never get to that point.
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  3. KingsFanGER

    KingsFanGER Well-Known Member

    Excactly. The one thing I never understand, is why people think Rudy is a great guy to have around. It must be, because he is well spoken and charismatic in interviews. Other than that, I pretty much have no idea.

    When the narrative of DMC as bad teammate was formed, an incident that was brought up to prove it, was the prank he pulled on Stauskas. That together with a reported incident in a plane also involving Stauskas was used to badmouth DMC. Guess who was part of the prank? Role model teammate Rudy Gay...

    It was DMC showing up at Summerleague to support the rookies. It was DMC getting in touch with Joerger right after his introductional press conference. It's DMC encouraging the young guys even after the team has traded him. It's DMC who Stauskas thanked for his help and advice after getting traded. But somehow this guy is the reason of the bad culture of the Kings, while Rudy Gay is a guy, who we should keep around.

    It feels some people confuse good teammate and good culture with their desire for political correctness. Rudy Gay is a smart business man and knows how to promote himself.
    At best Rudy is a neutral influence, when it comes to team culture and leadership.
    The one veteran guy, who should be pretty much untouchable is Temple, who was mentioned by every rookie as the biggest influence and help for them. To a lesser degree Tolliver and Koufos are also important for the same reasons.
  4. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    Malachi showed more than you give him credit for, but I agree with your main point about keeping expectations in check for the youngsters and taking a bit of a wait and see approach. That's prudent.
  5. kingsfan101

    kingsfan101 Active Member

    Couldn't agree more. Too soon, and too little evidence to be making these kind of projections. Honestly, given our glut of SGs, likelihood of Buddy being the first option at that spot, and need to spend some money to get to the minimum, I wouldn't be surprised if he's not even on the roster soon.

    Before people jump on me, I'm not advocating it. Just suggesting that if Bogdan comes over, we'll have Buddy, Bogdan, and GT, all playing that position, not to mention, Galloway (and possibly, even Ben, if we retain him with a qualifying offer in the hope of getting something useful for him later). Where exactly will the minutes come from? We'll probably be active in the trade market, hoping to fill the bigger holes at PG and SF (even if we draft there, you have to provide kids with some mentors and buffer). Trading some of our glut of SGs will obviously be something we'll be forced to think, whether we like it or not.

    Finally, to give some perspective, Reke ended his rookie season with 20/5/5, way above Malachi's numbers. While his career has been impacted by injuries, so it's not a fair comparison, but he could probably be classified as a borderline all star, and even that would be stretching things. Malachi has to prove a lot before being projected thus.
  6. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    Temple can play SF just as well as SG. He may only be 6'6, but he's an honest 6'6 and he's long. There aren't many SFs who will have an advantage over him as a defender. He's not a long-term solution at that spot, but he should have it locked down until one of this year's rookies is ready to make his move. Hopefully.
    Ben did improve in the second half of the season (finally!), so I wouldn't be disappointed to see him come back. But I'm also not hoping for it. As you say, we've got a glut at the SG position, even if we slot Temple in as our SF. Perhaps Malachi or Bogdan can give us some quality minutes at SF, if they're not overwhelmed by power or length. One can hope, right? Because there's just too much potential between Buddy, Malachi and Bogdan to have them all fighting over SG minutes.
  7. upinsmoke

    upinsmoke Well-Known Member

    It's being reported that rudy has officially opted out.
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  8. ockingsfan

    ockingsfan Well-Known Member

    That's fine, time to make some moves with Rudy's extra cap space. ;)
  9. gunks

    gunks Well-Known Member


    Peace out Rudy.
  10. KingsFanSince85

    KingsFanSince85 Well-Known Member

    Does anybody think it's possible that Vlade/Perry/Cantanella made it very clear to Rudy that he wasn't in their immediate or future plans and that helped sway this decision? If he knows he won't be a focal point of the offense, it would make sense to opt out and try to go elsewhere for likely a lesser contract. Otherwise, it seems like a pretty big risk to opt out of 13-14M while coming back from the type of surgery he just had at 30 years of age.
  11. Capt. Factorial

    Capt. Factorial Cantry Member Staff Member Contributor

    Anything is possible, but I doubt it. I think it has more to do with seeing a guy like Wes Matthews score a big deal a few years ago also coming off an Achilles tear that led Rudy to believe he could do just as well for himself somewhere else (and on top of that not be in a rebuilding situation).
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  12. John Galt

    John Galt Well-Known Member

    I kinda think Rudy is snubbing Kings and not the other way around although it could be WAY off. And not like he's being a dick about it... but I don't know if it's not as simple as "what you mean I can get out of Sacramento???? umm.... ok".
  13. Čarolija

    Čarolija Well-Known Member

    Rudy was looking for the exit door as soon as Mike Malone got fired (i.e. as soon as Rudy signed the extension and then his coach got fired shortly after that). I highly doubt that the front office had a great deal to do with his decision to opt out.

    Rudy would have looked at Matthews getting a monster deal coming of the same injury and realized that he is still a good chance for a big pay day and possibly on a team that will be in the play offs. Why would he stick around with a franchise that can't get out of its own way?!
  14. funkykingston

    funkykingston Well-Known Member

    This is likely going to be Rudy's last multi-year deal. Sure, if he came back strong for the Kings he could potentially earn a richer contract but the odds are better that he comes back as a shadow of himself and handicaps his earning potential.

    It may turn out that teams stay away from him on free agency this summer but I think the odds are better that this is a prudent move on Rudy's part.
  15. KingsFanSince85

    KingsFanSince85 Well-Known Member

    Maybe he'll join a team like the Cavs in an effort to try to gravytrain a title. Better yet, maybe he can join Golden State instead and jinx'em. ;)
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  16. NewArena

    NewArena Well-Known Member

    Shadow of himself or best version of himself, I want his playing style far away from this team. Bye!!
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  17. Double-K

    Double-K Well-Known Member

    He can be the 2nd unit of Cavs and form the oldest 'classic' team with Deron Williams, Richard Jefferson, Dahntay Jones, and Channing Frye.
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  18. Suicide King

    Suicide King Well-Known Member

    Rudy could sign a hypothetical 6m per year for 3 years contract and still come out ahead over his 14m option with us. Rudy has always struck me as looking out for #1 first and foremost. Not that I blame him.

    I also would not be shocked if we did offer him a contract. Not that I am advocating that, but Vlade and Joerger at least gave that impression at seasons end.
  19. Capt. Factorial

    Capt. Factorial Cantry Member Staff Member Contributor

    Well, assuming that he retired immediately after finishing his 14M option with us. That's not exactly what I would bet on, though.
  20. Shamrock

    Shamrock Member

    IT was the only real leader on our most recent teams. Cuz was a disaster on the court. Rudy I can't say one way or the other I don't know much about his behavior. But I never saw the leadership doesn't mean he wasn't a leader behind closed doors
  21. Suicide King

    Suicide King Well-Known Member

    @Capt. Factorial

    Thats was kind of my point. I have seen fans say it is a mistake leaving 14m on the table. However what if there is another set back this season? He could very well be done if that happens or if he is a shell of his former self. A larger overall contract rather than one year at 14m is a safeguard.

    The potential missed opportunity for Rudy would be if instead he played out the optional year, looked better than expected, and could then look for a much more lucrative contract as a last big payday.
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  22. macadocious

    macadocious Well-Known Member

    I think Rudy get's a 3 year deal worth about what his last year in Sac would have been + a TO for a 4th year. Possibly a 2 year + PO for 3rd.
  23. New Era

    New Era Well-Known Member

    I disagree. I think he's gonna be in the $10-12M/year range on a 3-4 year deal.
  24. Ozymandias

    Ozymandias Well-Known Member

    Always liked Rudy Gay since UConn(Even though the game I most remember is the one where Steve Novak went ballistic on them), I thought he shoud've been the 2nd pick in that draft behind LaMarcus Aldridge. I think a lot of the shade thrown towards him during his NBA career is a bit overblown and due to being in some less than ideal situations, part of which was onset by a bloated contract..

    I wouldn't be surprised if he gets like $15MM a year, and I wouldn't complain if the Kings gave it to him. That being said there are other options at other pricepoints I'd consider first, I'd rather pay Danilo Gallinari upwards of $20MM and I'd rather give Joe Ingles starter $$$ to name 2.

    I think that Rudy's athleticism is probably a good match here, especially if De'Aaron Fox is the pick, best thing for Rudy's game is to get out and run and Fox is built for running and causing those situations b y forcing turnovers, there's other players here who will benefit from that style of play, especially WCS.
  25. Ozymandias

    Ozymandias Well-Known Member

  26. Capt. Factorial

    Capt. Factorial Cantry Member Staff Member Contributor

    Dang, Rudy, why do you hate money so much?
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  27. KingsFanSince85

    KingsFanSince85 Well-Known Member

    If the Cavs land PG or JB via trade and then add Rudy as another 6'8" wing off the bench for the vet minimum, they really might have something for GSW next postseason. As it was, despite getting blown out the 1st two games, they were likely a Kyle Korver made 3 away from a 2-2 series and played GSW tough in GM5. Might have extended it to 7 after coming home. Adding PG or JB and Rudy would certainly improve their abilities to switch on defense.
  28. jpsls

    jpsls Active Member

    Say what you want about the Warriors superteam, but if the Cavs get Gay on the veteran minimum, it will be a travesty for the NBA. At least the Warriors had to make room to sign Durant while the Cavs are going to get Gay for free basically.
  29. New Era

    New Era Well-Known Member

    Rudy Gay is not even an all-star and will likely be even further down now with the injury. He may be a piece to the puzzle for the Cavs but he's not a special player.
  30. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    Rudy on a minimum contract coming off the bench for Cav's would be a pretty good get. He may not be special but off the bench, assuming he can do his usual thing, that is a damn good bench guy. I mean Shawn Livingston isn't special, but off the bench for GSW, he's pretty dang good.

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