Players to watch: 2016/17 college season.

Discussion in 'Prospects' started by bajaden, Sep 24, 2016.

  1. kingsboi

    kingsboi Well-Known Member

    If the Kings were to lose the pick, I'd imagine Vlade would try to acquire one on draft day...or so you would hope. Otherwise, I'm done bickering about not having a draft pick. If we do...great, if not...it's just another typical off season in Kings land.
  2. Gilles

    Gilles Well-Known Member

    Vlade found his hand to bet on and is all-in - Kings are giving their pick to Bulls this season.
  3. funkykingston

    funkykingston Well-Known Member

    Unless he has a secret plan to land a second star that seems like a really bad hand to play.

    At least a very shortsighted one. I'd love to be wrong though.
  4. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Yeah, was talking to a friend (Kings fan) yesterday, and I tired to figure out a way to build a contender around Cousins. Assuming we lose our pick this year, I honestly don't see how, unless one of our draft picks explodes and becomes that second star we need. Not impossible, but not probable. Beyond that, Vlade would have to steal someone blind in a trade either by intent, or accident. Our problem is not that we're without a couple of valuable assets. Our problem is that those assets are all in the last year of their contracts.

    Gay, Collison, and Casspi all have value, but who wants to trade something of value to us, for a player they may not be able to resign. Even McLemore has value to someone out there that thinks he only needs a change of venue. But if so, he's not an immediate difference maker, so why not just wait and try to sign him in the offseason?

    We'll have our draft pick next year, but not in 2019, and even in next years draft, if our pick is better than Philly's, they get to swap with us. The one thing we will have is some cap space. If we lose all the expected players, we'll have something like 46 mil under the cap (don't quote me). But after we sign Cousins (that's assuming he'll resign) to the max, around 30 mil a year, we won't have that much left to attract a big name. To my mind, the future looks bleak as far as building a contender.

    Now if all you want to do is make the eighth spot in the playoffs, and then lose to the best team in the 1st spot every year, fine! We can probably do that with regularity. Personally, I'd like to build a contender instead of a pretender.
  5. Suicide King

    Suicide King Well-Known Member

    Not that it's any consolation, but our 2018 Draft is not spoken for. The possible swaps with Philly end after 2017 draft. Only stipulation in 2018 is we get the rights to swap our 2nd round pick with Portland.

    Still, our recent success is bitter sweet. Win the battle and lose the war. :(
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  6. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Don't believe we have a 2nd round pick this year, nor in 2018. I'll have to check though. When I said we would still have next years draft pick, I was referring to the 2018 draft. I realize that 2017 is next year, but in reallity, it's this years NBA draft. Now I'm confused..:confused:
  7. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Obviously you've done your homework. Your right, they can only swap picks with us on this coming draft if it falls within the top ten. And we do have our 2018 2nd round pick. So in theory, if we end up in the top ten, we will have our pick in this coming draft, and in the 2018 draft. Philly gets our 2019 1st round pick.
  8. Suicide King

    Suicide King Well-Known Member

    Correct. I was counting 2017 as this years pick and 2018 as next years, or next seasons rather.
  9. Capt. Factorial

    Capt. Factorial Cantry Member Staff Member Contributor

    We will have either a first or a second round pick this year. If we keep the first, we will convey the second to the Bulls, so we weren't able to trade it. Thus, if we lose the first rounder, we keep the second rounder.

    (Super technically, even before the Hickson trade we had sent away the 56-60 portion of that second rounder to...I think the Celtics in one of those "send us some cash and a useless player and we'll save you money in luxury tax" deals, so the 2017 second-round fallback in the Hickson deal is only good for 31-55. But I've got a pretty strong feeling we won't be finishing among the five best records in the league this year so we can basically ignore the technicality. We have either our first, or our second, but not both.)
  10. funkykingston

    funkykingston Well-Known Member

    I was going to make the point about the Kings 2nd rounder if it falls in the 55-60 range. I believe it's the Magic that hold that.
  11. Telemachus

    Telemachus Well-Known Member

    I believe we got a 2nd rd pick from Phoenix in the draft day trade, but I don't remember from what year.
  12. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Went and looked it up, and couldn't find anything about a 2nd round pick from the Suns.
  13. Telemachus

    Telemachus Well-Known Member

    Maybe my memory is going.
  14. Telemachus

    Telemachus Well-Known Member

    I looked up the trade and all it said was a future 2nd rd pick. It didn't specify what year.
  15. Capt. Factorial

    Capt. Factorial Cantry Member Staff Member Contributor

    We actually have a 2020 second round pick from Detroit that was conveyed via Phoenix (a part of the draft-day trade that brought us Papa/Bogdan/Skal for Chriss), so that may be what you're thinking of.
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  16. Suicide King

    Suicide King Well-Known Member

    I have been wrong before, and I have been right a few times. I will continue to beat the OG Anunoby drum as I think he is going to turn out to be a really special and versatile player.
    This is an older post from The Ringer. Obviously to be taken with salt. If we somehow had a pick, and somehow did not need to spend it on a PG/PF, I really like OG to slot in at SF next to our current crop of rookies.

    https://theringer.com/og-anunoby-hype-killer-a90bda92fced#.u9au58soz

    It isnt just his stats in limited minutes, or his freakish 6'8 with a 7'6 wingspan. It is also the way he purportedly carries himself both on the court as well as in the gym and in what interviews I have seen. Just has a fire I sense in him.
  17. Gilles

    Gilles Well-Known Member

    OG is going in the lottery, so irrelevant for Kings, unless they somehow decide to cash in Boogie, or someone is massively stupid to overpay for Rudy.
  18. Suicide King

    Suicide King Well-Known Member

    Yeah I realize it is unlikely we even have a shot at him.:(
  19. Telemachus

    Telemachus Well-Known Member

    Thanks.
  20. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Yeah, sadly just about everybody I love in this draft is going in the lottery. But, there are a few exceptions... I'm still trying to figure out why Hart is projected as a 2nd round pick. All the kid does is win.
  21. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    I've seen Edmond Sumner of Xavior, a 6'6" PG for those not familiar with him, play a few times this year so far and he definitely has potential. He's still struggling with his outside shot, but he doesn't take many, so he seems to know his limitations. He has very good handles and court vision. He's excellent at finding seams in the other teams defense and exploiting it. Either by going to the basket, or by penetrating an kicking the ball out.

    He has some shake and bake to his game, making him hard to guard off the dribble. He can explode into the lane quickly, breaking down the defense. However, he does have a tendency to turn the ball over a bit too much, so he needs to improve his decision making. He had six of seven turnovers in one of the games I watched. Half unforced.

    Other than needing to improve from the beyond the arc, he has all the tools you look for in a PG, including great size and length. Which really helps him on the defensive side of the ball. He could use a bit more muscle, but despite that, he fights through picks fairly well, and seldom gets taken off the dribble. He has excellent lateral quickness. He definitely needs some changes on the mechanic's of his jumpshot. He tends to release the ball a bit low, and almost looks as though he's shot putting it. Almost the way a young 10 or 11 year old would shoot because they lack strength.

    I'm guessing that he'll be drafted somewhere between the bottom of the first round and the top of the second round. He's a player that I can see being a very good starting PG for a team in the future. It may take a few years, but all the potential for a two way player is there. Word is that he's grown 3 to 4 inches since highschool, which means he's still growing into his body. Something to take into a account.
  22. kingsboi

    kingsboi Well-Known Member

    UCLA Oregon game is great entertainment
  23. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Not as big an upset as some might think. Oregon is a very good team when they're clicking on all cylinders. Fun game to watch unless your an UCLA fan. Sorry Capt! Villanova got a scare yesterday as well. Hart had another good game though. Kentucky and Ole Miss battle it out today on ESPN2. I wish Washington would get its act together and make a case for March Maddness. I'm afraid that Fultz is going to suffer the same fate Simmons did last year.
  24. 206Fan

    206Fan Well-Known Member

    Dennis Smith Jr has seriously lit it up the last 4-5 games with the debut of Yurtseven.
    20pts 8.6asts 2.6stls 3.8rebs on 50% from 2pt and 58.3% from 3pt.

    His offensive game actually reminds me a lot of current Isaiah Thomas and a little bit of younger Kyrie. For a little guy, he excels in PnR. He's a good playmaker, but is an even better scorer. Has a variety of dribbles moves and Js..far advanced for 19 yearolds. The only thing for me right now is seeing whether or not his 3pt shot will remain consistent.
    Maybe I'm overreacting to his fantastic play as of late, but he's giving Fultz a lot of competition for #1. DSJ just has that "it" factor when you watch him play. He's giving me the same vibe Russell did 2 years ago at OSU.

    Watching 2 of the last 5 Lonzo Ball games, he seems like a "natural" PG, which does trend away from the current NBA of scoring PGs. His lack of scoring in the half-court makes me rank him lower than DSJ. It almost seems like he's not a threat attacking the rim...especially when you know that he'll pass it out 8 out of 10 times. With his lack of strength, I'd really like to see him develop a floater.

    I give the PGs way too much writing times on here, so I'll start shifting my focus on PFs and Cs.

    If Papagiannis can go #13 based on size and touch alone....I think Yurtseven could go top 10.
  25. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Smith is a terrific athlete, but I wouldn't call him a little guy. At least not in the I. Thomas sense. He measured out at just under 6'2" at USA basketball. I admit that he's a little short compared to todays crop of PG's that tend to lean toward 6'4" and above, but he's not 5'9" like Thomas. If I have to judge PG's on their total performance so far, game by game, I'd take Ball. If you forget all the little stuff you can nit pick about and just look at his results, he gets the job done every game.

    As to who should be number one? This is the first year in a long time where there are so many players that could be in the running for that spot. If you chose Monk over everyone else, I don't think many people would argue that you made a huge mistake. I think more than ever, it will come down to team needs.
  26. Bibby10AZ

    Bibby10AZ Active Member

    Bacon looked awesome today
  27. kingsboi

    kingsboi Well-Known Member

    first time watching Dennis Smith for a few minutes versus Miami...kid dribbles and shoots the ball effortlessly. Reminds me a bit of Dame Lillard.
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  28. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Bacon's weakness is his outside shot, which he has improved this year. If he can become consistent with that shot, he'll move up the draft boards.
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  29. bajaden

    bajaden Well-Known Member

    Yep, there's a reason he's considered a top five pick.. Kid can jump out of the building as well.
  30. Capt. Factorial

    Capt. Factorial Cantry Member Staff Member Contributor

    That second half was unreal. The game was my first look at Isaac. He got very little done on offense, but his defense was very nice.

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