[Game] Kings @ Nets-Wed Dec 20th-4:30p

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by Suicide King, Dec 20, 2017.

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  1. andjel

    andjel Well-Known Member

    Probably none, and there should not be any.

    Unless I am missing something, there is no team that has 4 rookies and 4 second year players that have potential to be part of the Kings future (not even counting Giles yet).
    How will you test that crazy amount of potential without platoon minutes?
    As I mentioned, if the next year we have the same story, than what you wrote is applicable. Not this year.

    The same goes for minutes. There is NO established starters for the future, and Kings are not playing for winning right now. I actually prefer inconsistencies in minutes for all younglings (beside maybe BB) so they can show what they can do with bench mentality as well as starters mentality.
  2. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    ...sigh... ONE THREAD. That's all I'm talking about. The game thread, the one thread that is real time.

    As far as your question about Malachi goes, he played well in one game. That's great. Maybe because he hasn't played a lot he wasn't ready for the second game of a back-to-back on the road. I trust Joerger. I don't second guess him in things like that because I have no access to the kind of knowledge/information I would need to make a qualified decision.

    Those are valid questions and worth discussing, just not in the middle of the game thread. Start a thread that asks "Why can't Malachi get off the bench?" or one that digs into "Why does Buddy get yanked the minute he shows any sign of struggling?" We don't have a thread limit. The only time threads get merged is if they're essentially the same thing or if someone started a new one without realizing one already exists about basically the same thing.

    Again, all I'm saying is let the game thread BE THE GAME THREAD.
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  3. andjel

    andjel Well-Known Member

    That is valid concern regarding the pace, and I agree with observation that pace and folks he is mostly on the court with are not good fit for his game today.

    I do not agree that he is learning nothing.
    He will never have problems with speed. Learning how to play half-court offense is a must for any PG that wants to be in playoffs one day.
    The defense is a also a half of the game, much trickier to measure since it is a team effort and probably only coach knows if he is executing well the plan.
  4. andjel

    andjel Well-Known Member

    Stuff you listed is primarily coaches job (where do you belong in the league and what role will you be playing), not players.
    They can make mistakes.
    However, player will know the best if what coaches are selling is bad for them.
    If Fox is confused and does not believe in coaches, that would be an issue. I did not see anything in Fox behavior that shows that. Will keep watching.
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  5. Iced Espresso

    Iced Espresso Well-Known Member

    Joerger's interview just a couple of minutes ago addressed this some. Grant suggested he was trying to win every game, Joerger suggested he's trying to do what's best for the franchise. What I inferred from this was there are probably times he rolls the dice on some of the young guys giving them opportunity at times to grow that he may have not have if it was 100% about wins & loses.

    So that's why we see such a variety of minutes for the guys. He went into detail some about no other team in the league plays so many youngsters as much. He really is trying to do what he thinks is best every night, balanced by the vets some. Key here is some.

    Brought up how Buddy played bad defensively in a recent game, so he got taken out, next thing you know he is working really hard to do what the coach wanted the next game.
  6. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    The last line is what has been apparent to me that others just don't want to acknowledge. Joerger has a group of guys who respond to this tactic. Old school instead of just giving minutes because they are 1st round picks. It's going to pay off.......may be paying off as of late.
  7. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    The carrot and the stick approach has worked well for a very long time. :)
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  8. kingsfan1984

    kingsfan1984 Well-Known Member

    To clarify i mean united on the desirability of winning :)
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  9. JCTNKINGFAN

    JCTNKINGFAN Active Member

    Yep, I think that is the way to go.
  10. CVKingsfan

    CVKingsfan Active Member

    Thank you! (a million times!)
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  11. ppine

    ppine Well-Known Member

    You can see it many different ways, but the Kings have made rapid progress and are heading in the right direction. They are winning close games and show up at the end in all their games. They are more watchable than they have been in years. They have gained a lot of confidence in the last few weeks. Randolph is the anti-Boogie.
  12. KingsFanGER

    KingsFanGER Well-Known Member

    Can you please tell me, where it is written in the board rules, that users are not allowed to write opinions, that VF21 and some other users dont like, in certain threads and that those opinions count as pollution?

    Im sorry but this board has become an incredibly hostile place, because people arent debating their points anymore, but labeling each other.

    And by acting the way you do, you are strongly encouraging a behaviour, where everyone who doesnt agree with you and a bunch of other guys, is labeled a whiner, complainer, a debby downer and of course "not a true Fan".

    I enjoy debates. I love reading stuff which goes against my own line of thinking. But i dont like it, when everytime doubts are expressed somebody comes around and talks down to other users.

    Most critical fans are well spoken and polite. We even had one, who stopped posting because he didnt want to bother other users with his critical opinions.
    Please stop acting like the positive Fans are some kind of victims, drowning in an ocean of pointless complaints. Thats only encouraging other users to talk down and belittle every critical fan, which makes this board nearly unbearable at times.
  13. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    I think the,problem is that in the game threads going back a few weeks, it was the same people posting the same concerns every game......and never ever posted anywhere else except on game thread. You can figure it out.

    Even with the Cousins and Karl heated threads on game days, people were excited when the team won. The game threads were being over run by the tank crowd. There is a whole thread devoted to like minded people to complain about it. I don't see the problem with this. Why would I go into the rebuild thread and just troll it endlessly? I don't as well as others who are trying to be respectful of those views.
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  14. SacTownKid

    SacTownKid Well-Known Member


    Not all rookies are equal on this squad or any squad. Fox, Buddy, and Bogdan due to his contract all have a higher potential or value expectation associated with them and they are still in the same rotation muck everybody else is. The closest situation to where the Kings are at is that of the Lakers and since they ditched the Dengs and Mozgovs of the world they are looking like they have a much brighter road ahead. I'm OK with giving the vets more burn to see if maybe you even might move some of that young talent to win now. I said before the start of the year I wouldn't mind them getting a run, but as it sits, that rotation management chart looks utterly non-committal.

    The Kings are not playing for winning? I disagree. Subbing in Randolph to save the day is about as short term winning as you can get. I'll admit he's doing a darn good job too. I'd have to say I don't think we ever even saw Cuz this dominant as a scorer. It's totally bizarre. :D The fact is though that Joergers boosting his record against teams that the well experienced Kings starters should absolutely blister, and for the most part they aren't doing that.

    And you might prefer it but it breaks teams eventually, even winning ones. It also stymies development.
  15. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    1. Board rules? Check rule 1a.
    2. ONE THREAD. That's all that's being referred to.
    3. Your exaggerations are laughable. I have never used "not a true Fan" and have, on occasion, given people warnings and infraction points for making those kinds of comments.
    4. You are wrong about the one person you think quit because he didn't want to bother other users.
    5. I've moderated this forum since 2001. It's not a perfect science and it's not easy but it's something I do to the best of my ability because of my love for the Kings and my love of the Kings' fans. See rule 11.
    6. I'm glad you enjoy debates and all that goes with it. All I'm saying is that there is a place and time for debates and it's pretty much EVERYWHERE EXCEPT the game thread.
    7. If you have further questions about how I moderate, please feel free to use the "conversation" system. Thank you.
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