[Grades] Grades vs. Lakers (or We Won BUT...)

Discussion in 'Kings Rap' started by Capt. Factorial, Nov 22, 2017.

  1. The Effort Police

    The Effort Police Active Member

    Vlade and Webber were two of the best passing big men in NBA history on the same team. It may take time to get used to things and get better but none of the four young big men on our team project to become playmaking bigs even if they hit their ceilings.
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  2. funkykingston

    funkykingston Well-Known Member

    George Hill is who he is at this point. Solid defender, good spot shooter, solid pick and roll guy and a nice third scorer who takes advantage of defenses focusing on the primary and secondary scorers to get open looks.

    Asking him to be a playmaker or create his own offense is not playing to his strengths.
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  3. funkykingston

    funkykingston Well-Known Member

    None look to have Vlade (or even Webber's) level of court vision & playmaking but Willie has shown very good passing instincts at times.
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  4. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    That's what has me so intrigued about Harry Giles. We just don't know yet what his ceiling is.
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  5. Telemachus

    Telemachus Well-Known Member

    You don't need big men to pass like Vlade and CWebb to make the offense work. They just need to be capable passers to keep the defense honest. WCS has shown that ability so far. Even ZBo had 7 assists last night and no one would accuse him of being a good passer. He simply looked to pass more in the 2nd half.
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  6. gunks

    gunks Well-Known Member

    Well, I missed the game but watched the highlights!

    Bogs to Willie might be a real thing going forward, good to see that both of those guys had great games. WCS has played well in 3 of his last 4 outings! That has to be a record for him, hopefully he keeps it up! Mason is looking like an amazing pick as well. In his limited minutes, he's looked better than Fox!

    Strictly going off stats, I would say that Lonzo won round 1. Ah well, I still think Fox has a higher ceiling but Lonzo isn't the slouch that everyone tries to make him out to be. His shooting is abysmal, but the kid can really pass and is a beast on the glass for a PG. If he wasn't a Laker, and if his dad wasn't an idiot, Ball would get a lot less hate. Looking forward to years of Fox and Ball going at it though, should be fun!

    Speaking of hate, old man Z-bo did good! I know we want to see the kids get more time/shots, but Z-bo's old man moves keep us in games more often than not. I really don't get the scapegoating. Maybe when Skal proves he can shoot better than 20-30% I'll join in clamoring for more minutes/touches for the kid, but he's looked bad in the games I've watched.

    Anyways, we beat The Lakers....Back to lins!
  7. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    And, as Doug said recently in one of the pre-game discussions (or post-game), you'll see more willing passes once the guys get to know each other and trust in each other. It's a learning process.
  8. VF21

    VF21 #KingsFansForever Staff Member Contributor

    And that, right there, is the problem with stats. Lonzo may have had a bunch of assists but he didn't really impress anybody out there. Even the ESPN crew (I love Doris Burke) seemed more impressed with Frank Mason. So, if you want to really get down to it, Mason won the Fox-Ball matchup. :)
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  9. jcassio

    jcassio Well-Known Member

    Just because one sees the worst in everything and everyone doesn’t make them a realist. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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  10. Vladizzle

    Vladizzle Well-Known Member

    It's because the ball is always in their hands.

    JCTNKINGFAN Active Member

    Exactly! I had an epiphany the other night watching the game, they were playing poorly and all I could think about was how the forum would explode with all the negativity and how I dreaded reading all that crap the next day. And then it dawned on me. I don't have to. So I haven't, until today. It's a shame that a few whining malcontents who only live to spew negativity, who's only purpose appears to be to hate on the coach and/or players dominate the board after a loss. But this was a WIN!!! Over the Lakers!!!! I thought it would be safe to log back on and check things out, but NO! The self absorbed, know it all complainers still dominate. I'm sick of their comments hating on the coach and on the players. They are constantly giving up on this player or quitting on that player. They are always experts on last years draft and who the Kings should have taken. Some people on here just don't get it, they don't have a clue what a true rebuild with young inexperienced players involves. The "offense" the team runs now will not be the same offense the team runs down the road as experience is gained and personnel changes so all the whining about the current offense and the coach is for naught. Same for the defense. The players they complain about now will not be the same in a couple years (yes,I said a couple years, you really need to get over the desire for instant gratification and learn some patience). I guess I need to take another 5 game sabbatical.
  12. Kingsfan23

    Kingsfan23 Well-Known Member

    This summer, I called into question the whole mentoring narrative, and thought they may have just been random vets that came here because we offered the most..
  13. kingjatt

    kingjatt Well-Known Member

    This isnt a Tim Duncan situation, these "vets" have no vested interest in Sac beyond there paycheck and playing time.
  14. Vladizzle

    Vladizzle Well-Known Member

    I think Vince has shown he cares at least a little bit about helping out.
  15. pshn80

    pshn80 Well-Known Member

    I would much prefer watching Zbo play in the way he s used now to watching Skal struggle only mildly successfully with baby steps. Skal s time will come but Zbo is a far more productive choice. Divak knew what he was doing when he hied these vets.j
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  16. Vladizzle

    Vladizzle Well-Known Member

    Yes, he is a better option. Neither of them should be the focal point of the office though. So I disagree with wanting to watch that.
  17. Livinthedream

    Livinthedream Well-Known Member

    That's been my main complaint. As soon as Fox crosses half court, he's turning around to pass to the trailing Z-bo. Completely neutralizes his main asset of speed. It works for Mason, who is a traditional PG. I'm not convinced that this particular offense fits our players skill set as a whole. But I'll wait and see where this takes us.
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  18. Vladizzle

    Vladizzle Well-Known Member

    It's always a double edge sword with Dave. He starts Fox finally.. Which we all wanted.. But he slows the offense down even more..

    Fox may be the fastest player in the league. How on Earth can we be having the slowest pace in the league?
  19. dude12

    dude12 Well-Known Member

    Keyboard coaches don't like the way we win and the open shots we get are not the right open shots if we don't make them.
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  20. Vladizzle

    Vladizzle Well-Known Member

    That would require us to win and not be blown out by 40+ points some games to be not 'liking the way we win'
  21. Suicide King

    Suicide King Well-Known Member

    On the move again so haven't been able to comment like I'd like. Short, short version: I am glad we won that one. Long way to go but, as a good friend always said, it's the little things. I hate micromanaging, a lot. If we had went 4 and 78 this season, I know which 4 games I would want for victories. Definitely doesn't mean we can't develop. I'm not afraid to just admit I don't know everything, and that I love the team I adopted and it's fans too much, to micromanage. P.S. If you're more depressed about our team than The Suicide King, your doing life wrong.
  22. mac

    mac Well-Known Member

    Great, we traded the Boogie HOF or you are a bball worm for bickering about everything wrong with the Kings. Great times at kingsfans.com.

    Mind you, I'm not too happy about our offense either but there's a time and place for everything.
  23. KingsFanGER

    KingsFanGER Well-Known Member

    I didnt look at the stats, but one possible explanation for a slower pace could be, that we arent getting a lot of deflections and steals, arent a good defensive team in general and put guards and wings dont get enough rebounds to push the ball, while our Main rebounders arent guys able to throw quick advance passes.

    Basically we are playing against a set Defense most of the time.
  24. Kingsfan23

    Kingsfan23 Well-Known Member

    Most encouraging stat of the game for our future - De’Aaron 2/2 from 3
  25. John Galt

    John Galt Well-Known Member

    I've been watching coach on the bench a lot. He is NEVER ever ever ever ever saying to slow it down. He is always saying "run run run run run".

    Maybe Fox and friends just aren't executing perfectly yet?
  26. Vladizzle

    Vladizzle Well-Known Member

    Yes run run run as fast as you can to go post up Zbo!
  27. King Baller

    King Baller Well-Known Member

    Dude you are just constantly railing against Joerger. John Galt made an eye witness account of Coach urging his guys to run. Many of us have heard it as well.

    Did Dave do you wrong in a past life:)
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  28. Vladizzle

    Vladizzle Well-Known Member

    The numbers back me up, not 'I heard Joerger yell once'

    I mean it's pretty self explanatory, we run a high post, low post offense. We run a lot of post ups and isolations for Zbo and our bigs.

    It's going to be slow.
  29. ESP47

    ESP47 Well-Known Member

    We don't know the exact ins and outs of what's going on out there but it's confusing for not only us but it seems like it's confusing for the players too.

    Ok so lets say WCS grabs a rebound and pushes it out to De'Aaron. Joerger is yelling run, run, run! Fox speeds up the court but there are 3 defenders near the paint so he circles back out to the 3 point line because there's nothing there. Happens 95% of the time in an NBA game. No biggie.

    It is at that point that the offense grinds to a halt. It doesn't have to grind to a halt but it does because it's at that moment when they set up the high post offense and either get ZBo a look or waste 10 seconds of the shot clock accomplishing nothing. Instead of getting in the high post, they could simply run a quick pick and roll and see what happens off of that or they could run any sort of play that doesn't take 10 seconds to develop. But usually they just wind up running a high post play.

    Remember Joerger saying before the season that he wanted these guys to run and if they couldn't get anything, he wanted to swing it over to the big fella and let him go to work? Most of us were under the impression that ZBo was going to be used more as an emergency plan when a play is broken or time is slipping from the shot clock. I don't care how fast you are, teams don't just fast break all game. It's simply not always there but there's more to playing an uptempo offense than just fast break points. We thought that there would be more to this "fast paced" offense than simply running up the court after a rebound. We thought the plays ran in the half court would be quicker and develop quicker to get the guards in the spots they need to be to be effective.

    We didn't think it was going to be about swinging it over to ZBo or WCS in the high post if they couldn't get a fast break bucket within the first 5 seconds of the shot clock. That doesn't happen that often in an NBA game and Joerger needs to develop something in between the fastest offense in the NBA (fast break points) and the slowest offense in the NBA (high post). That's what has to be confusing for these guys because the fast break points are usually not there so how are they supposed to keeping "running" when they're being made to set up a high post offensive set?
  30. Joshoua

    Joshoua Well-Known Member

    The jump shot looks good off the catch and shoot

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