Thanks. You said it better than I could. I do not want our kids to be handed anything they haven't worked for and earned. Hill is one thing. I was done with Z-Bo the day he was arrested. No matter the end result he showed the IQ of a urinal cake by putting himself in that kind of situation to begin with. That's not who the rookies need mentoring them, off the court or on.
[Game] Kings v. Pelicans - Thursday, Oct. 26 - 7:30 PT
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On the positive side, when we were playing well early in the game, this team was electric. Hield's defense the last few games has been pretty good. If he gets consistent with that and finds his shot, the guard core of Fox, Bogs, and Hield will be an absolute nightmare for teams with the constant threat of steals leading to fast breaks. Skal, Willy, Justin Jackson, and Frank Masons skillsets are also very complimentary. If Giles pans out.... phew.....look out.
I dont know if they're moving forward yet -- these rotations are not competitive enough imo, and yes its early. As paraphrased from others, if the Kings are going to suck, which looks like they are, I want to see their youth sucking not their new veterans - and yes that's my desire, not necessarily yours - that's stating the obvious. Time to tinker more.
Back to the game, I couldn't see much of the game, but some are calling out Cauley Stein for 2 rebounds which may have been valid.
At least the team manufactured some good offense. Is there any pick and roll being run?
Back to the game, I couldn't see much of the game, but some are calling out Cauley Stein for 2 rebounds which may have been valid.
At least the team manufactured some good offense. Is there any pick and roll being run?
Did I go to sleep and wake up in a world where the Kings didn't just trade their franchise player for a rookie, a draft pick, and some expiring contracts? This is what a complete "start-over" rebuild looks like you know. The last time we played an entire season with no stars on the team we won 17 games. Rookie guards Fox and Bogdanovic are 3rd and 4th on the team in minutes per game so far and that's in the first 5 games! They're already playing more than I expected them to in October. Cauley-Stein has started at C in every game so far. That's been a pleasant surprise as well. We're never going to know what we have with him if he doesn't play. Buddy is working his way out of a shooting slump and Skal is progressing at a normal rate for a young guy (that jumper looks great btw!) As for the vets, Zach and Vince are who they are at this point. They're not winning games for anybody, they're just there to back up Joerger's voice and kindof sortof resemble NBA players from time to time. Giles is getting red-shirted (which is the right move) and we're a little thin at PF without him so Randolph is going to end up playing more than we probably want him to. Oh well. This team wasn't built to win anyway. George Hill isn't shooting very much but his scoring efficiency is sky high. He's here mostly as insurance in case Fox/Bogdanovic look terrible out of the gate (good news, they don't!) and so we can trade him to a contending team that needs a veteran PG once we decide to make Fox the full-time starter.
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me.
But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me.
But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
Did I go to sleep and wake up in a world where the Kings didn't just trade their franchise player for a rookie, a draft pick, and some expiring contracts? This is what a complete "start-over" rebuild looks like you know. The last time we played an entire season with no stars on the team we won 17 games. Rookie guards Fox and Bogdanovic are 3rd and 4th on the team in minutes per game so far and that's in the first 5 games! They're already playing more than I expected them to in October. Cauley-Stein has started at C in every game so far. That's been a pleasant surprise as well. We're never going to know what we have with him if he doesn't play. Buddy is working his way out of a shooting slump and Skal is progressing at a normal rate for a young guy (that jumper looks great btw!) As for the vets, Zach and Vince are who they are at this point. They're not winning games for anybody, they're just there to back up Joerger's voice and kindof sortof resemble NBA players from time to time. Giles is getting red-shirted (which is the right move) and we're a little thin at PF without him so Randolph is going to end up playing more than we probably want him to. Oh well. This team wasn't built to win anyway. George Hill isn't shooting very much but his scoring efficiency is sky high. He's here mostly as insurance in case Fox/Bogdanovic look terrible out of the gate (good news, they don't!) and so we can trade him to a contending team that needs a veteran PG once we decide to make Fox the full-time starter.
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me. But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me.
But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
Did I go to sleep and wake up in a world where the Kings didn't just trade their franchise player for a rookie, a draft pick, and some expiring contracts? This is what a complete "start-over" rebuild looks like you know. The last time we played an entire season with no stars on the team we won 17 games. Rookie guards Fox and Bogdanovic are 3rd and 4th on the team in minutes per game so far and that's in the first 5 games! They're already playing more than I expected them to in October. Cauley-Stein has started at C in every game so far. That's been a pleasant surprise as well. We're never going to know what we have with him if he doesn't play. Buddy is working his way out of a shooting slump and Skal is progressing at a normal rate for a young guy (that jumper looks great btw!) As for the vets, Zach and Vince are who they are at this point. They're not winning games for anybody, they're just there to back up Joerger's voice and kindof sortof resemble NBA players from time to time. Giles is getting red-shirted (which is the right move) and we're a little thin at PF without him so Randolph is going to end up playing more than we probably want him to. Oh well. This team wasn't built to win anyway. George Hill isn't shooting very much but his scoring efficiency is sky high. He's here mostly as insurance in case Fox/Bogdanovic look terrible out of the gate (good news, they don't!) and so we can trade him to a contending team that needs a veteran PG once we decide to make Fox the full-time starter.
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me. But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me.
But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
I'm perfectly ok with getting L's and a high draft pick this year but if our young core is ready to win games already, then lets win games. I don't understand why Joerger keeps holding Hield out at the end of the games. I don't care if he's having an off shooting night, he needs to be on the court to be developed. Same with Skal. With Davis out, this was a perfect opportunity for Skal to play big minutes because he wouldn't have 2 all stars out there eating him for lunch. Instead he played less minutes than average out there for no real rhyme or reason. It's early but it's frustrating. I trust Joerger to start tipping the scales more toward the young fellas as the season goes on but watching Hill, ZBo, Carter and Temple play big minutes is about as boring as any of the other teams of the last decade.
Did I go to sleep and wake up in a world where the Kings didn't just trade their franchise player for a rookie, a draft pick, and some expiring contracts? This is what a complete "start-over" rebuild looks like you know. The last time we played an entire season with no stars on the team we won 17 games. Rookie guards Fox and Bogdanovic are 3rd and 4th on the team in minutes per game so far and that's in the first 5 games! They're already playing more than I expected them to in October. Cauley-Stein has started at C in every game so far. That's been a pleasant surprise as well. We're never going to know what we have with him if he doesn't play. Buddy is working his way out of a shooting slump and Skal is progressing at a normal rate for a young guy (that jumper looks great btw!) As for the vets, Zach and Vince are who they are at this point. They're not winning games for anybody, they're just there to back up Joerger's voice and kindof sortof resemble NBA players from time to time. Giles is getting red-shirted (which is the right move) and we're a little thin at PF without him so Randolph is going to end up playing more than we probably want him to. Oh well. This team wasn't built to win anyway. George Hill isn't shooting very much but his scoring efficiency is sky high. He's here mostly as insurance in case Fox/Bogdanovic look terrible out of the gate (good news, they don't!) and so we can trade him to a contending team that needs a veteran PG once we decide to make Fox the full-time starter.
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me. But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me.
But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
Again, not to sound like a broken record, but we're 5 games in with only 2 games at home. I truly believe we'll start seeing more pick and rolls once the guys get a bit more time on the practice court and learn the little things like which way to cut with a particular player, etc. One of the best things about THE TEAM was they actually seemed at times to be able to read each others' minds. We've got some guys with pretty high BBIQ's out there. I'm actually excited to see just how far they can progress. Seeing Skal, Fox and Bogs out there together intrigues me, for example.
I fundamentally disagree with this POV. Coach should be trying to win each and every game with this young group of players and his rotations should reflect it.
Why? Because you don't want these young players growing and developing under the cloud of losing. That's exactly what this franchise has been putting all their young players through since 2006. It's not a good thing.
Sure, we all know that youth and lack of experience is going to lead to some L's. But keeping the best players off the floor and playing some aging vets more minutes than they deserve based upon production is also going to lead to some L's and that shouldn't be the plan.
Ending up with another high lottery pick at the end of the season sounds great --- if this team winds up in that position playing their best players the bulk of the minutes and they prove not to be good enough to win more games. I just believe the attitude of "we don't want to win anyway because of the lottery pick" is one of the many reasons this franchise is where it's currently at and why it's so hard to shake that losing culture. As a fan, I'm done with it. You've got a nice core of players already. Try to develop them and win at the same time.
Why? Because you don't want these young players growing and developing under the cloud of losing. That's exactly what this franchise has been putting all their young players through since 2006. It's not a good thing.
Sure, we all know that youth and lack of experience is going to lead to some L's. But keeping the best players off the floor and playing some aging vets more minutes than they deserve based upon production is also going to lead to some L's and that shouldn't be the plan.
Ending up with another high lottery pick at the end of the season sounds great --- if this team winds up in that position playing their best players the bulk of the minutes and they prove not to be good enough to win more games. I just believe the attitude of "we don't want to win anyway because of the lottery pick" is one of the many reasons this franchise is where it's currently at and why it's so hard to shake that losing culture. As a fan, I'm done with it. You've got a nice core of players already. Try to develop them and win at the same time.
Did I go to sleep and wake up in a world where the Kings didn't just trade their franchise player for a rookie, a draft pick, and some expiring contracts? This is what a complete "start-over" rebuild looks like you know. The last time we played an entire season with no stars on the team we won 17 games. Rookie guards Fox and Bogdanovic are 3rd and 4th on the team in minutes per game so far and that's in the first 5 games! They're already playing more than I expected them to in October. Cauley-Stein has started at C in every game so far. That's been a pleasant surprise as well. We're never going to know what we have with him if he doesn't play. Buddy is working his way out of a shooting slump and Skal is progressing at a normal rate for a young guy (that jumper looks great btw!) As for the vets, Zach and Vince are who they are at this point. They're not winning games for anybody, they're just there to back up Joerger's voice and kindof sortof resemble NBA players from time to time. Giles is getting red-shirted (which is the right move) and we're a little thin at PF without him so Randolph is going to end up playing more than we probably want him to. Oh well. This team wasn't built to win anyway. George Hill isn't shooting very much but his scoring efficiency is sky high. He's here mostly as insurance in case Fox/Bogdanovic look terrible out of the gate (good news, they don't!) and so we can trade him to a contending team that needs a veteran PG once we decide to make Fox the full-time starter.
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me. But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
All I'm trying to say is that none of this should be surprising. The rotations are bad because we only have maybe 5 players on the active roster who are going to be a part of the team's new core. Over the course of the next 2 or 3 seasons we'll add another top draft pick, trade for or sign another starter, get Giles healthy and ready to play, and hope the young guys we have now develop into stars. In the meantime, there's going to be a lot of losing. If that bothers you, there are 29 other NBA teams to watch most of which will play better basketball this year than we will. You can scout them for potential starters to poach. And then there's a bunch of exciting young players to scout for the draft in college basketball or various international leagues. Get used to reading a lot about Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Luka Doncic, DeAndre Ayton, Mo Bamba and Miles Bridges. Better yet, watch them play and imagine them on the Kings next year! That's enough to keep me going. YRMV. Or go on sniping at the coach if that soothes your wounded soul, it doesn't matter to me.
But why be negative when there's so many other ways you can be?
I never said the coach shouldn't be trying to win and I agree with your sentiment. I'm saying if they continue to play young that the losses will more than likely naturally follow. I'm also saying that if the youth of the team is improving throughout the process then so be it. Likewise if they are winning, so be it. As long as the future core of this team is leading it there and looking good doing it.
More than a few times since 2006 they've tried to field competitive teams whilst rebuilding. Does the name Salmons ring a bell? Picks in the 10+ range where there were certain talent drop offs? That was a different franchise then though.
More than a few times since 2006 they've tried to field competitive teams whilst rebuilding. Does the name Salmons ring a bell? Picks in the 10+ range where there were certain talent drop offs? That was a different franchise then though.
At the end of the year, Cuz will lead the Pelicans to 32-36 wins, miss the playoffs, and drive fans mad with his antics on the court. He will have monster “HOF” stats certain games and the fans will scratch their heads and wonder why they aren’t on pace to win 50+ games with this kind of “generational” talent. The fans will argue whether or not they should blow it up and start over. Pels will get a pick around 11-13 and draft a mediocre talent. Rinse and repeat until they blow it up like we did last year.
Meanwhile, our Kings will end up winning 20-25 games while developing the great talent of Fox, Bogs, Skal, Jackson, Buddy, Mason, and hopefully Giles and Papa as well. The fans will see glimpses of the future and have a reason to be really excited for the years to come. Our Kings will get a top 5 pick which, by all indications, will be an impact player. The years to come will see significant increases in the number of wins and who knows how far they can go.
Oh, and we still have assets like Hill, Koufas, etc that can be dealt for other pieces/picks all while having a very manageable salary cap.
I’ll take our situation 100 out of 100 times.
Meanwhile, our Kings will end up winning 20-25 games while developing the great talent of Fox, Bogs, Skal, Jackson, Buddy, Mason, and hopefully Giles and Papa as well. The fans will see glimpses of the future and have a reason to be really excited for the years to come. Our Kings will get a top 5 pick which, by all indications, will be an impact player. The years to come will see significant increases in the number of wins and who knows how far they can go.
Oh, and we still have assets like Hill, Koufas, etc that can be dealt for other pieces/picks all while having a very manageable salary cap.
I’ll take our situation 100 out of 100 times.
I felt boogie deserved better but it is what it is. I call it growth and maturity from his part in how he handled it. Dropped a line, got the W, avoided any altercations and stayed humble.
Per sacbee
“It was a special night,” Cousins said. “The fans were beautiful, they were into the game, they let it be well known they hated every shot I made but now I see how other players feel when I used to be on this side, on the other side of the fence. I can remember games where the crowd was the reason we won it. It’s well known the Kings have incredible fans. They showed up tonight as well.”
Per sacbee
“It was a special night,” Cousins said. “The fans were beautiful, they were into the game, they let it be well known they hated every shot I made but now I see how other players feel when I used to be on this side, on the other side of the fence. I can remember games where the crowd was the reason we won it. It’s well known the Kings have incredible fans. They showed up tonight as well.”
Boogie to me was a 6 year old with a huge heart. I will always respect the man because as a person he truly cares. Sadly while his heart matched his size he maturity level was an issue. Had the Kings kept Malone, who was a father figure for DeMarcus things might have been different. The change appears to have helped DeMarcus grow up and I hope that sticks.
As much as DeMarcus hates Vlade perhaps someday he realizes it was for the best. DMC needed a change to help grow up and the Kings needed to end the drama. The man did a lot for the community, I wish him nothing but the best.
As much as DeMarcus hates Vlade perhaps someday he realizes it was for the best. DMC needed a change to help grow up and the Kings needed to end the drama. The man did a lot for the community, I wish him nothing but the best.