Trade Chriss for Bogdan and Skal?

#1
I think Vlade's dealing for multiple draft picks is going to remembered as very good moves. He has done it two years in a row. The Cousins trade brought in Buddy, the pick that became Giles and Jackson. That trade also pretty much guaranteed the Kings would retain the pick that became De'Aaron Fox. Then Frank Mason III was picked up early in the second round. Last draft he dealt the Kings first round pick for the picks that became Papa, Skal and got the Suns to toss in Bogdan. Even the Philly trade netted the pick that became Malachi. Koufos was also signed with some of that cash freed up thanks to Philly.

So yes I think we Kings Fans will look back on this era as a golden time:)
Yeah would you trade Chriss for Bogdan and Skal at this point?
 

Larry89

Disgruntled Kings Fan
#8
I disagree, I was comparing rookie and sophmore Marquese Chriss to Rookie Demarcus, both shot poor percentages, had attitude problems, chose to float on the perimeter at times and suffered from foul trouble. Both showed flashes of brilliance but also a stubbornness at times to change. The question was Bodgan and Skal for Quese, the answer is still no. I think Skal even has more upside than Quese at this point, he has shown excellent growth in his confidence and game.
 
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#9
I disagree, I was comparing rookie and sophmore Marquese Chriss to Rookie Demarcus, both shot poor percentages, had attitude problems, chose to float on the perimeter at times and suffered from foul trouble. Both showed flashes of brilliance but also a stubbornness at times to change. The question was Bodgan and Skal for Quese, the answer is still no. I think Skal even has more upside than Quese at this point, he has shown excellent growth in his confidence and game.
Don't want to de-rail but DMC averaged almost double the amount of rebounds that Chriss did in 28 vs 21 minutes. 14 vs 9 points in favor of DMC too. It's also too soon to compare sophmore years as DMC averaged 18 and 11 and Chriss is at 3 and 3.
 
#10
I'd probably trade Bogdan+Papa for Chriss, but not Skal. Chriss is a very raw basketball player with a questionable IQ. He's still learning to play the game.. and the same can be said for Skal. Chriss turns the ball over from trying too hard to attack. On the other hand, Skal turns the ball over from traveling.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#15
So tomorrow night might shed some light on this discussion, especially if Bogs is able to play. I was never a big fan of Marquis Chriss.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#17
Yeah would you trade Chriss for Bogdan and Skal at this point?
I wasn't that big a fan of Chriss in college.
I disagree, I was comparing rookie and sophmore Marquese Chriss to Rookie Demarcus, both shot poor percentages, had attitude problems, chose to float on the perimeter at times and suffered from foul trouble. Both showed flashes of brilliance but also a stubbornness at times to change. The question was Bodgan and Skal for Quese, the answer is still no. I think Skal even has more upside than Quese at this point, he has shown excellent growth in his confidence and game.
Chriss and Cousins coming out of college were nothing alike, and they're still nothing alike. I wasn't a big Chriss fan at the time of the draft and he's done nothing so far to make me change my mind. Cousins was basically a post player coming out Kentucky, while Chriss floated on the perimeter at Wash and at times was a bit of a chucker. Cousins, in his first five years with the Kings averaged less than two tenths of one 3 pt attempt a game, while Chriss averaged almost three attempt a game. Meaning that Cousins seldom, if ever took a three point shot his first five years with the Kings. He didn't really start playing away from the basket like he does now until his sixth year in the league. Chriss, on his best day, would get destroyed by Cousins. Please, don't put their names in the same sentence.

If you want to say that both players are noted for bad body language and bad bad attitude at times. I'll give you that one. But you know what, I'm willing to put up with that when a player is putting up 27 pts, 12 rebounds and 3 or 4 assists a game. That's rarefied air that Chriss hasn't come close to sniffing yet. As far as the trade goes, I wouldn't touch Chriss with a ten foot pole if the Suns tried to give him to us for nothing, much less trade two players that I will almost guarantee will be far better players than Chriss.
 
#18
I disagree, I was comparing rookie and sophmore Marquese Chriss to Rookie Demarcus, both shot poor percentages, had attitude problems, chose to float on the perimeter at times and suffered from foul trouble. Both showed flashes of brilliance but also a stubbornness at times to change.
As multiple others have pointed out, this a really, really poor comparison. They were and are nothing alike.
 
#19
If you want to say that both players are noted for bad body language and bad bad attitude at times. I'll give you that one. But you know what, I'm willing to put up with that when a player is putting up 27 pts, 12 rebounds and 3 or 4 assists a game. That's rarefied air that Chriss hasn't come close to sniffing yet.
Truth.
 
#20
I guess I mean who really thinks this warrants a relevant discussion?

Unless its just to prove a point that Vlade made a great trade, there is nobody who has half a brain and thinks it would be better to have Chriss over having both Bogie AND Skal. That's just dumb. Not trying to be a tool.

Just saying, this is a short lived thread for a good reason. Last year it was very clear that Skal and Chriss were both serviceable but Skal might have the upper hand.

Adding Bogs to the question makes it unquestionable.
 
#21
Just want to remind ya’ll that Chriss is a Sactown boy. He plays old-school Sactown basketball, with an edge. You may not like that type of game, or actually be from Sacramento, but some of the above comments are just flat out disrespectful to a local product. I would welcome him with open arms...for Papa and maybe Justin Jackson though.
 
#22
Dude I played high school basketball in Sac. I'M HERE NOW. He doesn't do a good job of repping the 916. In fact he tries to do a good job disrespecting the 916. So don't go there.
 
#23
Chriss is 20 years old and a bit raw, but you clearly see the upside and potential, if you are not stuck in a pointless debate wether it was right to trade him on draft day or not. Of course Kings fans want to come out on top, want Vlade to be right and want the best prospect on their own team. But so far it's impossible to tell, who made the correct choice. Skal clearly is more advanced in certain areas, while Chriss moves extremely fluid and fits the blueprint of the modern, athletic stretch big perfectly. I think both are great prospects in their own way and it will come down to coaching and the right surrounding environment for their respective development, who comes out on top in a few years.
So far the Kings look like the more stable franchise for once. But we all know, how quickly things can make a wrong turn. And we simply don't know, if the idea behind the development approach for Skal and our other young players is correct. So far our style of play looks a bit odd, given the young talent we have on our roster.
I'm curious, who will take over as a coach in PHX and how he will use Chriss together with their young guards and wings.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#24
I guess I mean who really thinks this warrants a relevant discussion?

Unless its just to prove a point that Vlade made a great trade, there is nobody who has half a brain and thinks it would be better to have Chriss over having both Bogie AND Skal. That's just dumb. Not trying to be a tool.

Just saying, this is a short lived thread for a good reason. Last year it was very clear that Skal and Chriss were both serviceable but Skal might have the upper hand.

Adding Bogs to the question makes it unquestionable.
If you don't think it's worth a separate thread, don't read it. Problem solved.
 
#25
I guess I mean who really thinks this warrants a relevant discussion?

Unless its just to prove a point that Vlade made a great trade, there is nobody who has half a brain and thinks it would be better to have Chriss over having both Bogie AND Skal. That's just dumb. Not trying to be a tool.

Just saying, this is a short lived thread for a good reason. Last year it was very clear that Skal and Chriss were both serviceable but Skal might have the upper hand.

Adding Bogs to the question makes it unquestionable.
Some guys just make things look easy...

couldn't resist - nothing personal brah
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#28
Just want to remind ya’ll that Chriss is a Sactown boy. He plays old-school Sactown basketball, with an edge. You may not like that type of game, or actually be from Sacramento, but some of the above comments are just flat out disrespectful to a local product. I would welcome him with open arms...for Papa and maybe Justin Jackson though.
I don't have to support a dude just because he's from the same general geographic area as me.
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#29
Chriss is 20 years old and a bit raw, but you clearly see the upside and potential, if you are not stuck in a pointless debate wether it was right to trade him on draft day or not. Of course Kings fans want to come out on top, want Vlade to be right and want the best prospect on their own team. But so far it's impossible to tell, who made the correct choice. Skal clearly is more advanced in certain areas, while Chriss moves extremely fluid and fits the blueprint of the modern, athletic stretch big perfectly. I think both are great prospects in their own way and it will come down to coaching and the right surrounding environment for their respective development, who comes out on top in a few years.
So far the Kings look like the more stable franchise for once. But we all know, how quickly things can make a wrong turn. And we simply don't know, if the idea behind the development approach for Skal and our other young players is correct. So far our style of play looks a bit odd, given the young talent we have on our roster.
I'm curious, who will take over as a coach in PHX and how he will use Chriss together with their young guards and wings.
Robert Sarver is broke Maloof-esque in his pennypinching so whoever's cheapest probably