Bogdan in action overseas

#91
He's really more of a scorer than a shooter, if that makes any sense. Like Kobe, he can make almost any shot but he won't at the rate of a shooter. (I'd like everyone to please note that I am by no means saying Bogdan is the next Kobe or anything dumb like that)
What? So you're telling us that Bogdan is the next Kobe?!!!!!! Come on, get real! :cool:
 
#94
sure, he's fine when he's playing Euro basketball. A 82 game season is a different animal though.
You may be right there, to some extent, but not by a mile, as you may think...
Just see below.

Last year Fenerbahce played:
39 official games in the Turkish Super League (all the way to the finals series, taking the championship)
35 official games in the Euroleague (all the way to the finals series, taking the championship)

Plus, double-Bogs himself is now playing his 9th official game on the national team

That makes his season 83-games-long in 2016-17...
(While in Sactown he will have an 82-game-season)

You were saying?... :rolleyes:



Notes:

1. It's true that I counted post-season (and even summer national-schedule) in my Europe count but not in the NBA.
On the other hand - Bogs will probably not have to "suffer" through Playoffs with the Kings this year ;)

2. Also - you could maintain that some/most of the opponents were not NBA-caliber. (But some were!)
On the other hand - Bogs will probably not play as many minutes in his Kings' rookie year as he did in Europe,
and he certainly wouldn't be expected to lead the team and take it on his back, as he did with Fener & Serbia this year.

So, all in all I'm not that worried about rookie walls etc. when it comes to Bogs... :)
 
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#95
sure, he's fine when he's playing Euro basketball. A 82 game season is a different animal though.
Nah, from what I know its actually the other way around because European teams practice a lot more and rest a lot less. Isiah Austin recently tweted about, after playing his first season in Europe:

Isaiah Austin @IsaiahAustin·29. Aug.
I'm done with Europe. Never again. I'll stay in Asia money great and always on time. And the season isn't 10 months that alone will kill you

Isaiah Austin @IsaiahAustin·29. Aug.
Practice OD! Two times a day everyday hard as hell lol They don't understand rest and recover. Only work that's all lol

There is also a Dunc'd one episode with an american player who played in Europe that touches on that subject.
http://nateduncannba.com/podcast-ep...-interview-plus-lac-lal-mem-summer-prospects/
 
Bummer on the loss but a good game anyway. I still can't believe Macvan isn't on an NBA roster unless he just has no interest. He looked good in the Olympics and in the big games he steps up big time.

Scary spill from Bogdan on that attempted tip so hopefully there won't be lingering effects because the real pain begins here shortly.
 
Bummer on the loss but a good game anyway. I still can't believe Macvan isn't on an NBA roster unless he just has no interest. He looked good in the Olympics and in the big games he steps up big time.

Scary spill from Bogdan on that attempted tip so hopefully there won't be lingering effects because the real pain begins here shortly.
Thankfully his role in the NBA, initially at least, will be lesser than in Europe. Dude has been playing a ton of basketball. I can see him playing 24-28 min a game in his first season.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
Well Serbia's great run came to and end. Great game by Dragic. He was on fire for most of the game and unstoppable. He was definitely the best player on the court, with Bogdanovic coming in second. Doncic had some good moments before he sprained his ankle, but he was overshadowed by Dragic. Serbia had a chance at the end. The score was tied with around 2 minutes to go, but some mistakes, and then some forced shots doomed them.

It wasn't Bogdanovic's best game, and his three pt percentage was terrible, but, one of those shots came from 80 feet with one second left in the first half, and almost all of his shots were highly contested. Slovenia did everything short of tackling him, especially at the beginning of the 2 quarter when they acquired 3 personal fouls in about 15 seconds of play. Some may say that Bog's isn't a PG, but he played the point for most of the game, and did most of the heavy lifting for most of the game. He looked exhausted to me at the end.

Take Bogdan and Dragic off the floor, and Doncic looks like one of the best players. But right now, he's not at the same level as those two, and he shouldn't be. He's only 18 years of age, and extremely skilled. But like most young players he prone to mistakes, and he made a few to go along with his good plays. At the closing ceremony where they pick the top five players in the tournament, you had Pau Gasol, Doncic, Dragic, Bogdanovic, and a Russian player whose name I can't remember all standing side by side. There wasn't a lot of height difference between Dragic, the Russian and Bog's, but Doncic was definitely taller than all three with Gasol of course being the tallest. So I'm convinced that Doncic is at least 6'7", if not a bit taller.

Of course now I expect Bog's on a plane tonight and at our practice facility by tomorrow working out with the boys....:rolleyes:
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
You may be right there, to some extent, but not by a mile, as you may think...
Just see below.

Last year Fenerbahce played:
39 official games in the Turkish Super League (all the way to the finals series, taking the championship)
35 official games in the Euroleague (all the way to the finals series, taking the championship)

Plus, double-Bogs himself is now playing his 9th official game on the national team

That makes his season 83-games-long in 2016-17...
(While in Sactown he will have an 82-game-season)

You were saying?... :rolleyes:



Notes:

1. It's true that I counted post-season (and even summer national-schedule) in my Europe count but not in the NBA.
On the other hand - Bogs will probably not have to "suffer" through Playoffs with the Kings this year ;)

2. Also - you could maintain that some/most of the opponents were not NBA-caliber. (But some were!)
On the other hand - Bogs will probably not play as many minutes in his Kings' rookie year as he did in Europe,
and he certainly wouldn't be expected to lead the team and take it on his back, as he did with Fener & Serbia this year.

So, all in all I'm not that worried about rookie walls etc. when it comes to Bogs... :)
how many minutes does he average per game with his team?

what is the farthest distance they have to travel when facing opponents?

how many back to backs did he play in Euro competition?

how physical were the defenders and/or teams he has faced?
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
Nah, from what I know its actually the other way around because European teams practice a lot more and rest a lot less. Isiah Austin recently tweted about, after playing his first season in Europe:

Isaiah Austin @IsaiahAustin·29. Aug.
I'm done with Europe. Never again. I'll stay in Asia money great and always on time. And the season isn't 10 months that alone will kill you

Isaiah Austin @IsaiahAustin·29. Aug.
Practice OD! Two times a day everyday hard as hell lol They don't understand rest and recover. Only work that's all lol

There is also a Dunc'd one episode with an american player who played in Europe that touches on that subject.
http://nateduncannba.com/podcast-ep...-interview-plus-lac-lal-mem-summer-prospects/
Considering that Austin was once upon a time diagnosed with a medical condition, I wouldn't take what he says with too much heart.

Also, if they practice a lot more, then how many back to backs do they play in Euro competition? how physical is the opposition he faces with him? do the refs let the players play and have more leeway or is it similar to NBA standards?
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
Considering that Austin was once upon a time diagnosed with a medical condition, I wouldn't take what he says with too much heart.

Also, if they practice a lot more, then how many back to backs do they play in Euro competition? how physical is the opposition he faces with him? do the refs let the players play and have more leeway or is it similar to NBA standards?
It appears to me that yourtrying to make an issue where there probably isn't one. Many European players have come over and had no problem adjusting to the 82 game schedule of the NBA. Bogdanovic is probably in better shape than any of the college rookies in the league next season. I'd be more worried about them than I would Bog's. He may have to make adjustments, but I doubt it will have anything to do with the length of the NBA schedule. It will have more to do with the speed and style of the NBA.

Don't know if you've been able to watch any of his games, but he's the man on that team. They don't do anything until the ball is in his hands. He's double and tripple teamed. He gets shoved, banged, grabbed and just about anything you can think of short of tackling him, and he never shows any ill effects from it. So personally, I'm not one bit worried.
 
I only saw Bogdan in the semifinal and final, but he looked like a young Tyreke Evans with a three-point shot in those games. He was able to repeatedly penetrate defenses that definitely tried to prevent him from doing so, and finished well at the basket or found the open man on the perimeter. It will take awhile before he can do the same in the NBA, but he definitely has the handle and the athleticism to be a versatile scoring point guard a few years from now. Although he seems like a tough competitor, I think he would struggle to defend big NBA shooting guards because he's so skinny. His three-pointers were off-target in the final, but many of them were really difficult attempts with a man in his face. When he was on the court, most Serbia half-court possessions started with him sprinting around the defense to receive the ball, then attacking the basket and running back on defense. No wonder he got tired at the end.
 
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how many minutes does he average per game with his team?

what is the farthest distance they have to travel when facing opponents?

how many back to backs did he play in Euro competition?

how physical were the defenders and/or teams he has faced?
I watched the game yesterday and it was as physical as an NBA game gets... I advise everybody to watch if they have time. Wonderful final full of exciting moves in defence as well as attack.
 
Amazing tournament for Serbia and Slovenia. Congratulations for both... Slovenia made the biggest success in their history, and Serbia is around the top as always, but playing without 7,8 important players makes this achievment so big. Really proud of the guys.

A lot of pressure was on Bogdan's back, but he handled it great. He wasn't clutch in the finals as he used to be on this tournament, but he still played good with all that defense on him. Only Dragic played better in this tournament than him in my opinion, and Bogdan put NBA "stars" like Marc Gasol, Rubio, Schroeder, Vucevic, Fournier, Belineli, Valanciunas, Porzingis behind him. I know Serbia is all about teamwork and team basketball, but Bogdan was definitely "the leader of the Horde".

I really hope he can continue where he left off, during NBA season.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
Amazing tournament for Serbia and Slovenia. Congratulations for both... Slovenia made the biggest success in their history, and Serbia is around the top as always, but playing without 7,8 important players makes this achievment so big. Really proud of the guys.

A lot of pressure was on Bogdan's back, but he handled it great. He wasn't clutch in the finals as he used to be on this tournament, but he still played good with all that defense on him. Only Dragic played better in this tournament than him in my opinion, and Bogdan put NBA "stars" like Marc Gasol, Rubio, Schroeder, Vucevic, Fournier, Belineli, Valanciunas, Porzingis behind him. I know Serbia is all about teamwork and team basketball, but Bogdan was definitely "the leader of the Horde".

I really hope he can continue where he left off, during NBA season.
The problem Bogdan had was that he had very little help. The defense of the Slovenian team was to make sure he didn't get an open shot anywhere. I don't think he had one clean look from the three the entire game. He was grabbed, bumped, shoved and you name it for the whole game. I thought he did extremely well despite that. It's a problem he won't have in the NBA. Make no mistake folks, if you leave him open, or even just give him a bit of daylight, he'll hit the shot.
 
My biggest take away is I'm excited about our guard rotation. I recon as Hill either declines or gets traded Bogdan will fill that combo guard spot just fine.
 
how many minutes does he average per game with his team?

what is the farthest distance they have to travel when facing opponents?

how many back to backs did he play in Euro competition?

how physical were the defenders and/or teams he has faced?
The farthest distance players travel in Europe is I think around 6-7 hours flight. Mostly when they go to Russia.

In Euroleage, usually games aren't played back to back. You have around 3 games per week.

The intensity of basketball and defense in Europe is a lot higher than NBA in my opinion (I am talking about regular season, especially games that are played before All Star). European basketball is defensively oriented and as Austin said, most of the players practice heavily twice a day. On top of that, European basketball culture is different. Over here, fans push you to the limit and don't accept failure. That means player like Bogdanovic needs to achieve his numbers every game and each game they play, the pressure is on like it's the NBA finals. It may sound as I'm exaggerating, but I am sure anyone who watches European basketball will back me up.