Vet free agents and filling out the roster

James Ham suggested we add Jordan Farmar.

Patient, Ggoud...um checked the results lately?

Team has been bad for more than a decade. The style of play was unwatchable imo. Guys on board now fun. I don't want to ever have to turn the game off because we are down 30 at half again. Sign some solid players .

After giving this some thought, I think we should go after:

(1) Paul Millsap
(2) Tony Snell (or Andre Roberson)
(3) Ty Lawson

I know Millsap is expensive and long in the tooth, but he will make everyone on our team better and ease pressure on all the young guys. He can be the cog to our offense and defense and give Buddy, Fox and Skal the freedom to excel. Millsap can initiate the offense from the high post AND run pick and roll with our PGs. This is what SI has to say about Millsap:

Paul Millsap
Millsap will be paid like a star because he is one, no matter how he might be regarded by the most casual NBA fans. What they often fail to see are the things that coaches fret over and teammates appreciate. Millsap is one of the best in the league at making up for his teammates’ mistakes, whether by switching outright, holding his rotation longer than he’d like, or popping up to defend the rim. His hands are ridiculously disruptive for his position. He also lives in that space between positions, where to guard Millsap with a wing leaves a defense vulnerable to post-ups and drives but a more traditional big might not be able to keep up with him. His presence makes a team smarter; teammates understand where to go based on where Millsap sets them up with his interior passes and they grasp the nuances of a team defense from how he executes. A pro’s pro.

We aren't that far apart. The only thing I would greatly disagree with you about is I don't want the team to plan to purposely get that higher draft pick. I want the team to get the players (only three left if (can't spell his name) comes over) to be successful next year and the years (plural) following. If the contract is reasonable contracts, do it. I agree with not squandering the cap space, however the Kings only have so many slots available and to exchange cap space for assets requires a slot to put said player even if it is just to cut him.

The development of our players is more important than what could possibly happen in 2018. We don't have know what we have. We may already have three all-star caliber players on our team with Fox, Buddy and Skal. It is more important that we nurture this talent with the right veterans around them then plot for ways to get the 4th versus 12th pick in 2018. I agree with you the risk of the deal with Millsap is the 3rd and 4th year and declining productivity. But he's a savvy and heady player and so will likely still be effective as his athleticism declines. The risk is an overpay I think is worth it to help these young guys turn into true pros and so they experience success.

The other variable is the West is wide open. The Lakers are a joke. The Suns are terrible. The Mavs are terrible. The Clippers could implode if they lose one or both of Paul and Griffin. The Grizzlies are old. The Pelicans are two man team if Holiday walks & will be team of turmoil if history is any indication. The Jazz will take step back if they lose Hayward. The Nuggets score but play NO defense The Wolves took step forward with Butler but that's still a team of mismatched talent. The only teams I would concede as better than the Kings in the West are:

- Warriors
- Spurs
- Rockets
- Blazers
- Jazz

A team capable of finishing 6th in West (Kings?) is at least a 35 win team. And I am not that impressed with Rockets, Blazers or Jazz (if they lose Hayward). I certainly think our guys think they are capable of competing against these guys. So if this is the landscape before potential dramatic improvement this summer why should we just rollover and concede the season in name of developing young guys? We should develop our young guys simultaneously with trying to win. We need to try to win so that culture change is reflected in the win / loss column. This means spending on quality players now instead of postponing success for a day that may never come.

Signing 3 low level vets to fill out the roster would be such a bad thing for the young players development. Millsap on a 3 year deal is very good. Take pressure off the rooks. Let them compete for wins. Don't send them out there to just get minutes and get their asses kicked. Adding Millsap is going to keep us a lottery team. Look at the TWolves. Stack up youngsters for years, trade for a vet like Butler at the right time.

I mean, I don't get the idea of signing a guy like Troy Williams and then letting he and Justin Jackson handle the SF position with help from Malachi. How about sign a Troy Williams AND a legit SF and a vet PG and take pressure off our kids. Joerger and the staff just showed everyone how to work in and develop the youngsters last year. Meaningful minutes is the goal for next year.

After giving this some thought, I think we should go after:

(1) Paul Millsap
(2) Tony Snell (or Andre Roberson)
(3) Ty Lawson

I know Millsap is expensive and long in the tooth, but he will make everyone on our team better and ease pressure on all the young guys. He can be the cog to our offense and defense and give Buddy, Fox and Skal the freedom to excel. Millsap can initiate the offense from the high post AND run pick and roll with our PGs. This is what SI has to say about Millsap:

Paul Millsap
Millsap will be paid like a star because he is one, no matter how he might be regarded by the most casual NBA fans. What they often fail to see are the things that coaches fret over and teammates appreciate. Millsap is one of the best in the league at making up for his teammates’ mistakes, whether by switching outright, holding his rotation longer than he’d like, or popping up to defend the rim. His hands are ridiculously disruptive for his position. He also lives in that space between positions, where to guard Millsap with a wing leaves a defense vulnerable to post-ups and drives but a more traditional big might not be able to keep up with him. His presence makes a team smarter; teammates understand where to go based on where Millsap sets them up with his interior passes and they grasp the nuances of a team defense from how he executes. A pro’s pro.

Signing 3 low level vets to fill out the roster would be such a bad thing for the young players development. Millsap on a 3 year deal is very good. Take pressure off the rooks. Let them compete for wins. Don't send them out there to just get minutes and get their asses kicked. Adding Millsap is going to keep us a lottery team. Look at the TWolves. Stack up youngsters for years, trade for a vet like Butler at the right time.

I mean, I don't get the idea of signing a guy like Troy Williams and then letting he and Justin Jackson handle the SF position with help from Malachi. How about sign a Troy Williams AND a legit SF and a vet PG and take pressure off our kids. Joerger and the staff just showed everyone how to work in and develop the youngsters last year. Meaningful minutes is the goal for next year.

Why do you act like they are mutually exclusive? Players develop and improve their games while also being a bottom 5 team. This is fact. What is important is having a coach who knows how to develop players (Joerger) and having some hard working, high character, veteran mentors who can teach these young guys how to be professionals (Temple, Koufos, & Tolliver if resigned).

You're right. We don't know what we have yet. When you don't know what you have yet, you don't go locking up your cap space on 30+ year old veterans. You stay flexible from a cap perspective and continue to do everything you can to acquire the best picks/young assets you can. Once you KNOW you have a couple stars, then you start to build and shape the team around them. People are putting the cart before the horse.


Kings as the 6th seed? Homerism at it's finest. Take a step back and really think about what you just said. This team is going to have 9 rookies and 2nd year players. We have good potential, but that's all it is at this point. They still need to learn how to play at the NBA level. That takes time.

It would be incredibly difficult for the Kings to make a push for the playoffs with a rookie PG playing big minutes. So I think trying to win now and trying to give Fox enough PT to develop are going to be mutually exclusive goals.

James Ham suggested we add Jordan Farmar.

The development of our players is more important than what could possibly happen in 2018. We don't have know what we have. We may already have three all-star caliber players on our team with Fox, Buddy and Skal. It is more important that we nurture this talent with the right veterans around them then plot for ways to get the 4th versus 12th pick in 2018. I agree with you the risk of the deal with Millsap is the 3rd and 4th year and declining productivity. But he's a savvy and heady player and so will likely still be effective as his athleticism declines. The risk is an overpay I think is worth it to help these young guys turn into true pros and so they experience success.

The other variable is the West is wide open. The Lakers are a joke. The Suns are terrible. The Mavs are terrible. The Clippers could implode if they lose one or both of Paul and Griffin. The Grizzlies are old. The Pelicans are two man team if Holiday walks & will be team of turmoil if history is any indication. The Jazz will take step back if they lose Hayward. The Nuggets score but play NO defense The Wolves took step forward with Butler but that's still a team of mismatched talent. The only teams I would concede as better than the Kings in the West are:

- Warriors
- Spurs
- Rockets
- Blazers
- Jazz

A team capable of finishing 6th in West (Kings?) is at least a 35 win team. And I am not that impressed with Rockets, Blazers or Jazz (if they lose Hayward). I certainly think our guys think they are capable of competing against these guys. So if this is the landscape before potential dramatic improvement this summer why should we just rollover and concede the season in name of developing young guys? We should develop our young guys simultaneously with trying to win. We need to try to win so that culture change is reflected in the win / loss column. This means spending on quality players now instead of postponing success for a day that may never come.

been down that road all ready. Why do it again? Mason & Fox need to get the bulk of the minutes, not a 3rd string PG, unless it's DC or Ty.

It's to bring in someone with experience in a mentor type role, not to take minutes away from either rookie

You're misunderstanding. He/she was suggesting that we need to bring in a Millsap to make sure our young guys are developing meaning that you can't bring in low level veterans, keep the team bad, and develop your young guys all at the same time. That comment had nothing to do with the playoffs.

James Ham suggested we add Jordan Farmar.

The team being bad for more than a decade should not change the approach. If the best approach is to stay bad in the short term, then stay bad in the short term. It's as simple as that.

been down that road all ready. Why do it again? Mason & Fox need to get the bulk of the minutes, not a 3rd string PG, unless it's DC or Ty.

And it's the best approach because you think it is simple as that. Huh?

I think you missed the point. Farmar is the type of player that won't take minutes away from Fox or Mason. He'd be the 3rd string guy who only gets emergency or garbage minutes. Also, I thought Farmar played well for us during the exhibition season. You bring in Collison or Lawson, they're going to expect minutes. Yeah, we might lose a lot of games with two rookie PG's getting the bulk of the minutes, but the point of next season is get the rookies experience. If that ends up getting us win's, great! But if not, it doesn't matter.

I am starting to think we roll with the rookie point guards and just add a veteran PG to be the 2nd/3rd point guard. Someone that we can get cheap for the veteran minimum for a 1 or 2 year contract.

There are a couple of veteran point guards that could fill that roll and both have ties to Coach Joeger. If these players are healthy, I would try and sign either Mario Chalmers or Beno Udrih to be a reliable 3rd point guard.

I say we roll with Fox and Mason at Point Guard and add a cheap vet min PG, just in case. DC and Lawson may be too expensive and would take away more PT away from the rookies.

After giving this some thought? It obviously wasn't enough thought...