Vet free agents and filling out the roster

Bob Cov is a guy we could potentially steal if Philly doesn't think he's a starter long-term with their core. Dude is an AMAZING defender, one of the best in the NBA and he can stretch the floor, albeit extremely streaky. He's a guy I'd be willing to throw big money on over a bad player like Snell; he actually has positional versatility and is actually damn good defensively.

Not likely as you said as Philly has a ton of space and can match easily, but he's a good guy to be targeting.

Why are y'all talking about Tolliver? Didn't rebound. Didn't defend. Hot and cold shooter. Locker room presence is nice but Temple and Koufos fill that role.

Of course we want Otto but let's not fool ourselves. I have been fooling myself but is time to face reality. We are not getting him! The Wizards are at a payroll of 91M before Bojan and Otto. The salary cap is 99M. But luxury tax does not set it until 119M. They can go over the cap to sign their own RFA so the amount of money they have is up to 28M. (119 -91). His first year salary will be about 22-25M. So the Wizards can fit Otto without going into luxury. The Wizards also want to sign Wall to an extension, who has two years left. If they lose Otto or make a bad sign and trade they are screwed. Wall is NOT signing an extension with Wizards if they let Kings sign Otto and they do not match. If they do match we do NOT have the assets OR salaries to send back. What are we going to do package Temple and Koufos?!? Those are the only salaries anywhere near 1st year for Porter. It is impossible Wizards will let Otto walk and dare to have Wall follow. It is impossible for Kings to put together 20M plus in matching salary and talent to send back in a sign and trade.

If we give Otto a max offer on 12:01 AM on July 1 or whenever we are just wasting valuable time!

Bojan Bogdanovic is another story. They cannot sign Porter and him without going into the luxury tax. But Bojan is a one dimensional player. He's a poor man's Ryan Anderson. I like Ryan Anderson for 10-12M. I don't like him for the 60M he is due over the next 3 years. Bojan at hypothetical of 3/45 is exorbitant. He's not enough of an upgrade to justify the cost. Are we going to pay 15M for a guy who just spots up a shoots 3s? No thanks!

Next Gallinari. He's a nice player who I would like. But the Nuggets have almost as much cap space as we do. He's an UFA but I don't seem him as a legitimate candidate to leave Nuggets for Sacramento.

The guy I want to see us go after even if it means an overpay is TONY SNELL. It took a while for this guy to get his act together but he was solid on the Bucks. He's become a 3 and D player entering his prime at 25 years old. I think he's ready to play starting minutes at the SF backed up by Malachi and JJ. I think we may have to overpay but look at the Bucks salary.

The Bucks are at 111M salary for next year. That's over the cap and only 8M from the luxury. That's before signing Snell.

How much is Snell worth? Let's be generous and say 4/50. Now let's front load it. 18/15/10/10 = 4/50 If we structure the deal with $18M in first year that would put the Bucks over the luxury cap by $10M. That would mean their tax would 2.5X or $25 million dollars. This is what the Kings should do. Target a young guy coming into his own they have a legitimate chance to get who does more than just one skill. Then structure the deal so the team has no choice but to cut him loose.

The other guy I would not mind Mirotic. But the Bulls have a cleaner cap. They are probably going to buy out Wade. The only way to get Mirotic is likely a S&T. Snell can likely be had without giving up anything but cap space.

Anyone thought about Troy Williams for depth at sf if we can't get Porter?

He's still just 22, and I doubt Houston matches a reasonable offer with them talking about cap space recently for FA.

Good athlete, some previous D league time.

Seems like a minor risk that may be a decent reward.

There is alot of talk lately about stretch 4's but does Joerger even really want that? With DMC here it made some sense but it depends on what style of play coach wants to play.

Snell is not worth that much. Dude is Ben, but at SF........ This is coming from one of the biggest Ben supporters... Milwaukee has a weird system of developing young players.. but I'm not sure if Snell's developing projection would be the same here... he's been hot garbage for his first 3 years in the NBA, and finally looked like a semi-respectable player in his last year. He's not worth that much.

Tyreke Evans...... Positional flexibility between Pg and SF. If Fox or Mason are going well in games he moves to SF and still gt minutes. If the pups are overmatched or not going well, Reke takes PG minutes. I'd definitely be signing a good solid starting SF too, but I feel like Reke could be good here

Tyreke Evans...... Positional flexibility between Pg and SF. If Fox or Mason are going well in games he moves to SF and still gt minutes. If the pups are overmatched or not going well, Reke takes PG minutes. I'd definitely be signing a good solid starting SF too, but I feel like Reke could be good here

After the Porter offer and Bogs - Wait for the desperate team to give us a player salary dump along with a Good first Round 2018 or 2019 pick!!
Once we have that player , then fill in SF,PG or PF from whats left in FA or Summer league
Maybe even stop at 14 players to take on a contract later

We already let Tolliver and AA go without using them for bad contracts
Our biggest asset right now may be our Cap Space-

We really do not need to have 3 more players - Temple can play 1 or 3 if needed
Malachi could play 2 or 3

Any backup at SF 5-10 mil will work fine, can compete with JJ
Any cheap PG to mentor or be a 2-3rd PG is fine
We got Lawson last yr for 1 mil!!
Get a Summer league guy cheap for PF

Keep that extra cap space right up to the trade deadline

For now I'm assuming we can't get Porter, asking price for Beverly is too much.

Real simple off season for me.

1. Sign Bogdan
2. Throw an offer at Troy Williams because I don't see Houston matching with their desire to save cap space.
3. Sign Beno to a small deal

I know "exciting" but I'd be patiently awaiting bad salary for assets later in FA or before the deadline.

There is alot of talk lately about stretch 4's but does Joerger even really want that? With DMC here it made some sense but it depends on what style of play coach wants to play.

For now I'm assuming we can't get Porter, asking price for Beverly is too much.

Real simple off season for me.

1. Sign Bogdan
2. Throw an offer at Troy Williams because I don't see Houston matching with their desire to save cap space.
3. Sign Beno to a small deal

I know "exciting" but I'd be patiently awaiting bad salary for assets later in FA or before the deadline.

Let's put it this way....

Anyone worth signing to a big deal who is still young enough to grow with our core is not going to be realistically attainable. Why you may ask? They are either a restricted free agent (meaning that their existing team can keep this valuable player if they choose) and/or they will be heavily sought after by other teams (since young talent is very attractive to teams).

So what does that mean? That means you're probably looking at guys who are either role players or who will be too old to be a significant contributor by the time our core is ready to compete. Guys like Millsap would be a huge mistake right now. Millsap would not only take up a lot of our cap (cap space that can we use in trades to help us acquire more young assets), but he would also devalue our 1st round pick in 2018 (by bumping up our win total). And what for? By the time we'll be ready to actually get serious about competing, Millsap will be on the decline and we will have a #8 talent instead of a #3 talent from the 2018 draft. It's a short sighted move that hurts this team's future. Signing role players with our cap space isn't wise either. We're in the business of finding our stars. Filling out a roster with role players on 3-4 year deals not only takes away cap space and roster spots, but it also takes away playing time from our young kids who we should be developing (10 young players counting Bogdan).

The way you build as a successful team is to "stay bad" until you found 2 or 3 stars. If you start using all of your cap space when you have no established stars or even just 1 star, you become Portland (current). You become the Kings (with Cousins). You become the Pelicans (before Cousins). You become the Lakers (Mozgov & Deng) Why are we so hell bent on repeating the same mistakes?

Do not rush the rebuild! If that means maintaining a lot of our cap space and making our 2019 pick a valuable pick, so be it. The trade is over with. Don't try and hurt another team only to hurt yourself. It's in our best interest to be patient and smart with our cap. Ideally, we would resign Tolliver to a 2 year deal with the 2nd year being unguaranteed. That would put us at 13 roster spots taken. I'd look to make a trade or two bringing back 1 or two bad contracts with pick incentives. Ideally they would expire after this season, but I wouldn't take on any bad contract that doesn't expire in 2 years.

Preferably, the Kings should setup their contracts so that they have max flexibility in the 2019 offseason. Hield, Papagiannis, Richardson, Labissiere, Fox, Jackson, Giles, Mason, Bogdanovic, 2018 1st rounder, 2018 2nd rounder, 2019 2nd rounder, & any picks we received via the salary dump trades mentioned earlier. Cauley-Stein would be the only one we'd need to resign (if we end up wanting to do that). At this point, I'm not totally sold on him being our long term starting C. His shot blocking and rebounding are concerning, but we do have a while before having to make a decision on him. If we don't want to pay him the big bucks, we could potentially move him for future assets in the 2018 offseason or the 2018-19 trade deadline. If we did end up moving Cauley-Stein, you're looking at having approximately $62 mil in cap space with these assets under contract: Fox, Mason, Hield, Bogdanovic, Richardson, Jackson, Labissiere, Giles, Papagiannis, 2018 1st, 2018 2nd, 2019 1st (via salary dump trade), & 2019 2nd. That's 13 spots right there.

At that points, you can look to add a couple max players before you need to give all of your young guys a big raise. Guys like Booker, Brogdon, Stanley Johnson, Winslow, Oubre, D'Angelo Russell, Porzingis, Towns, & Myles Turner will all be RFA and guys like Wall, Irving, Kemba Walker, Bledsoe, Rubio, Harden, Kay Thompson, Middleton, Butler, Leonard, & Love will be UFA.

Hopefully Vlade has the vision and patience to not use his cap space in many of the illogical ways I have seen proposed here.

For now I'm assuming we can't get Porter, asking price for Beverly is too much.

Real simple off season for me.

1. Sign Bogdan
2. Throw an offer at Troy Williams because I don't see Houston matching with their desire to save cap space.
3. Sign Beno to a small deal

I know "exciting" but I'd be patiently awaiting bad salary for assets later in FA or before the deadline.

23.8 yearold Alex Poythress? 6'8 230lb SF/PF.

In 46 games in the GL he put up: 18.5pts/7.1rebs/1.5asts/0.7stls/1.4blks/2.7tos on 52.7/40.3/78.3 (low 3PA, 1.7 per game).
In 6 games with Philly, he put up: 10.7pts/4.8rebs/0.8asts/0.5stls on 46.4/31.6/80 (3PA, 3.2 per game).

He's worked really hard on his 3pt shot as indicated by the shooting numbers. Went from a non-shooter, to a below average shooter.

We have no business going after an old talented vet. Milsap, Teague, Gallinari would have been great if Cousins was still here but makes absolutely no sense now. Puts us right back on the treadmil in that dreaded zone where our ceiling is the 8th seed and floor the 8th pick. No thank you.

I don't understand this thinking at all. You do not do any favors to our rookie PGs if you don't get them veteran PG to ease the burden and be capable of playing minutes when inevitable struggles arise. You are not doing any favors to Skal if you don't give him a veteran teammate (preferably stretch 4) who can split minutes with him and take pressure off kid to produce at high level for 30-35 MPG. As Fox and Mason and Skal strut their stuff their roles and MPG will expand. Until then you need options. The coach need options. You undermine your coach if you only give him two scrubs in free agency. We have a lot of talent up and down our roster but we need capable veterans to complement the youth and inexperience. And I have not even mentioned we do not have a capable starting SF on our roster! It is unfair to tell Jackson Malachi or Temple to go guard Durant among other long wings.

Our coach knows how to bring along young players at the proper pace. He showed so with Willie, Skal and Papa G. But he has to have veteran options at his disposal to disperse playing time against specific match-ups to bring along all these young players at the right pace for maximum success. Like I said we saw what happens when a young player is given too much too soon with guys like Ben McLemore and Emmanuel Mudiay. Maybe they were never going to succeed but they were put into situations that almost assured their demise. I think a few fans may be in fear mode based on bad signings that get most of media play and stick out due to how prohibitive they have become for teams that made these overpaying mistakes. But you cannot operate from a place of fear and hope to be successful. There are opportunities out there for the astute GM to shore up positions of need and to do so with fiscal responsibility. Those opportunities will amount to a lot more than Beno and Troy Williams.

Depends what you're after. If it's championship or bust then you might be right. The only way to win a championship might very well be having the number one overall pick in a LeBron James year. The odds of that are long but so are the odds of winning a title.

It's not title or bust for me however... I just want to be entertained. Post DeMarcus was entertaining last year. I could do more "good" losing if the young players are showing out and developing as we go. But that wasn't the case in Philly... That was a brutal few years there. Last year finally showed some promise but even then embid couldn't stay healthy and Simmons was out all year. I'd rather avoid that type of rebuild going forward if it can be helped.

Signing the best players we can is my favorite course of action. Millsap would be great if we could get him for three years instead of four. Porter, Gallinari, Snell, Milos... Any of those guys would be solid signings imo.

The Spurs rebuilt on the fly without one down season or high draft pick. The grizzlies are a perennial playoff team without any transcendent stars. Our great teams of the early 2000's didn't have a bunch of top three picks.

Bottom line is we don't have to go the sixers route to ever be relevant again. We have seven 1st round picks from the last two years on this team... Plenty of darts thrown at the board. If one or two are bullseye's it's not gonna matter where we're picking next year. Let's be smart in free agency and sign the best players we can to contracts that make sense. And let's win as many games as we can going forward.

What about Tayshaun Prince? There is a strong connection with him and Perry and I can't think of to many better role models who know how to play team ball. He could also be great for Jackson as they have similar frame and skill set.

No, its not a championship or bust. Its about becoming a sustainable succesfull franchise. Its about becoming a team like Memphis or getting to the place where playoffs is realistic for many years. To build the team the way that you have the flexibility to manover when your players either decline or become too expensive and still remain competitive.

For example if we decided to take your route and sign Snell, Gallo, Vet pg, it would mean that we wouldnt be in realistic playoff contetion with those players but we would be capped out. We would draft at 8 so most likely wouldnt get a franchise player. When this offseasons vet signings would expire, we would be in the situation where at the same time we'd have to extend Buddy, Malachi, Skal, Wcs and year after Fox, JJ, Giles, and then year after our hypothetic 8th pick.
That would eat up a lot of space so it means that we wouldnt have room improve beyond what our core provides. We would be stuck with our current core with little ways to add to it.

This is the perfect opportunity to gather assets for the future which gives us more opportunities to improve even after our current core would need extentions. By being patient for only one year and not trying to "win now" we would get a very good draft pick, a possible franchise player. It would give us a way to really explore that which of our rookies are a part of our future core and worth an extention. It would give us an opportunity to build our franchise the way that we have a core thats capapble to getting to the playoffs and the playoffs year after year could be sustainable. No one is talking about going full Hinkie. Its ONE YEAR. You guys need to be able to suck it up and watch a season with 24 wins. It really is lot smarter than having another poopooty 32 win team with no flexibility. One year for the smart direction. Its not too much to ask.