Vet free agents and filling out the roster

I agree completely which ia why I would err on tbe side that ATs tweet is being misunderstood here. Maybe he is interested in signing else where so is doing a little posturing to bring his price higher in his mind? Is there rules in place preventing him from saying "see you all soon we have a hand shake deal in place already" before the start of free agency?

I just dont think that AT could have not expected this given tje contract he signed. And say he was "salty" he doesn't strike me as tbe type to cry on social media for the world to see like a teenager.

Is there other signs im missing outside of thia tweet that makes you think that thw FO just "burned the bridge the momwnt he passes the now leaving sign"?

The thing about this though is that we have so much freaking cap space that there's really no reason that we couldn't just carry a maxed-out roster into the season and cut a guy or two when needed.

Much easier to just sign a player to a 10 day contract.

I agree. I'm still just trying to wrap my head around the Kings cutting Tolliver and him apparently being completely blindsided by the move. For a guy known as being a people person as a player, Vlade has been surprisingly bad at the communicating with players portion of the GM job

I'm just guessing, but I don't think they would've cut him if they knew Galloway was going to opt out.

Why are y'all talking about Tolliver? Didn't rebound. Didn't defend. Hot and cold shooter. Locker room presence is nice but Temple and Koufos fill that role.

Of course we want Otto but let's not fool ourselves. I have been fooling myself but is time to face reality. We are not getting him! The Wizards are at a payroll of 91M before Bojan and Otto. The salary cap is 99M. But luxury tax does not set it until 119M. They can go over the cap to sign their own RFA so the amount of money they have is up to 28M. (119 -91). His first year salary will be about 22-25M. So the Wizards can fit Otto without going into luxury. The Wizards also want to sign Wall to an extension, who has two years left. If they lose Otto or make a bad sign and trade they are screwed. Wall is NOT signing an extension with Wizards if they let Kings sign Otto and they do not match. If they do match we do NOT have the assets OR salaries to send back. What are we going to do package Temple and Koufos?!? Those are the only salaries anywhere near 1st year for Porter. It is impossible Wizards will let Otto walk and dare to have Wall follow. It is impossible for Kings to put together 20M plus in matching salary and talent to send back in a sign and trade.

If we give Otto a max offer on 12:01 AM on July 1 or whenever we are just wasting valuable time!

Bojan Bogdanovic is another story. They cannot sign Porter and him without going into the luxury tax. But Bojan is a one dimensional player. He's a poor man's Ryan Anderson. I like Ryan Anderson for 10-12M. I don't like him for the 60M he is due over the next 3 years. Bojan at hypothetical of 3/45 is exorbitant. He's not enough of an upgrade to justify the cost. Are we going to pay 15M for a guy who just spots up a shoots 3s? No thanks!

Next Gallinari. He's a nice player who I would like. But the Nuggets have almost as much cap space as we do. He's an UFA but I don't seem him as a legitimate candidate to leave Nuggets for Sacramento.

The guy I want to see us go after even if it means an overpay is TONY SNELL. It took a while for this guy to get his act together but he was solid on the Bucks. He's become a 3 and D player entering his prime at 25 years old. I think he's ready to play starting minutes at the SF backed up by Malachi and JJ. I think we may have to overpay but look at the Bucks salary.

The Bucks are at 111M salary for next year. That's over the cap and only 8M from the luxury. That's before signing Snell.

How much is Snell worth? Let's be generous and say 4/50. Now let's front load it. 18/15/10/10 = 4/50 If we structure the deal with $18M in first year that would put the Bucks over the luxury cap by $10M. That would mean their tax would 2.5X or $25 million dollars. This is what the Kings should do. Target a young guy coming into his own they have a legitimate chance to get who does more than just one skill. Then structure the deal so the team has no choice but to cut him loose.

The other guy I would not mind Mirotic. But the Bulls have a cleaner cap. They are probably going to buy out Wade. The only way to get Mirotic is likely a S&T. Snell can likely be had without giving up anything but cap space.

You can't front load a contract like that. There's a maximum increase/decrease in the contract amount year to year of 4.5% of the first years salary if you sign him using cap space like the Kings would. Without getting into structuring a signing bonus or anything, which really doesn't change too much, if you paid $18m the first year the most that the salary could drop the next year would be $810,000

Assuming Giles sits out the whole year (which he should) and just concentrates on rehabbing his knee, we still have Skal, Willie, Kosta, and Georgios for the frontcourt positions. The following season Kosta has a player option he might opt out of but that's fine because we'd be looking to give Giles some minutes at that point and we'll also have a new draft pick coming in who might also be a big guy. There aren't minutes for another big on our long-term depth chart unless we block one of our first round picks. I think that's the thinking that led to Tolliver being bought out. We want Willie and Skal to play, we still have Kosta, and Georgios is our backup C now. Tolliver wasn't going to play. He's a fine locker room presence I suppose but we're better off shifting that role to the SF position were we have more of a need.

I think we sign a veteran PG to a small deal (maybe Darren) and bring in a veteran SF. It's very important that whoever we sign this summer has to be on a deal that is tradeable in the future. We're hoping for another lottery pick next year and it's likely to be a wing or a big based on current projections for the 2018 class. If we max out someone like Porter and he has a down year (which, realistically, is basically guaranteed since he won't have Wall and Beal alongside him here and his 43% three point shooting was way way over his career average) we suddenly have an albatross on our payroll which mucks with our ability to re-sign our other guys when their rookie deals all start expiring. A sensible deal for a wing that other teams will trade for if we want to trade him would be the goal. Maybe a partially guaranteed second/third year like Tolliver and Afflalo had so we can potentially package their cap numbers for a disgruntled star player on a losing team. And if we can't get a SF like that, don't panic and splurge on somebody else! This is key for us. Garrett, Malachi and Bogdan can play minutes at SF. We can call up someone from the D-League. Who cares if the SF position costs us wins next year? The following year when we have no first round pick is the year we want everything to come together anyway.

Otto Porter Jr is my main target. He's going to command max offers but he's gotten better every year in the league. I have a feeling the Wizards won't match because doing so commits them to the Wall, Beal, Porter core with zero room for anybody else. Signing him to such a large contract won't hamper us with the way our team is made up and the fact that big name free agents don't really come here anyway. By the time his contract runs out we should be competitive and will have a good chance at either resigning him, trading him for more pieces, or just letting his salary off the books. Go for it....

I'm fine with re-signing AT at a lower price. He had to expect to be waived how his contract was structured. Let him know we want him strictly as a mentor, which i heard he is great at,and minutes are possible but probably scarce. Just be upfront with him and if he's looking for more PT or money, he can try elsewhere.

Exactly! He was making 8 mil last year. If we want him back, it's not like it'll be a fight with other teams for him.

I think the intent of overpaying Tolliver and Afflalo last year was so that the Kings would opt out of the contract and create a roster spot and more cap space for this year.

I think that AT and AA would have had to grossly out perform their contracts for the Kings to excercise the option. AA sure didn't and Tolliver had a slow start but improved the second half of the season.

I think when it came time, Vlade valued the extra roster spot and cap space more than the veteran presence.

The writing was on the wall when Vlade made that contact offer, that he was likely to opt out. Either Tolliver and his agent failed to read it or they were not paying attention.

I agree in most part. Cap flexibility is important going forward especially given that we had 7 draft picks in the last two drafts. It means that you will have 7 players coming off their rookie deals close to each other.

However, I am in favor of offering a max deal to a player who addresses a position of need, has genuine talent and is young enough (coming off a rookie deal) to grow with the team and be there when they start contending again. Porter fits that bill but I am certain Wizards will match the offer.

The next option and probably a smarter one is to identify a player that is on the verge of breaking out and becoming a star and overpaying them in order to get them to sign here. In that case player breaks out and plays to the value of their contract. I am not sure who that player is but I don't get paid to scout the league. It could very well be Porter but Wizards will match.

This team needs veterans. Even when they get signed it will be one of the youngest teams in the league if not youngest.

so send a max offer to porter, wiz will have to choose if they want to wrap up that much cap with three players, if they do not then we have a starter to grow with the team since he is only 24

If wiz matches the porter offer 15 mil for Bogan 3 yrs wiz cannot match without luxury tax , at the end of the 3 yrs Bogan goes from 28 to 31, either Bogan or JJ stays,
Bench - mason,Bogdan,Bogan,skal, Papa - serious firepower on bench
Fox,Buddy,,JJ,WCS,KK

If he's a player we really want - how are we wasting time? We can offer a few deals. We also have exclusive rights on Bogdan so we can negotiate that deal but not sign it while all the other deals fall into place.

If we offer Otto and miss that doesn't mean we move to sign plan B or C or D, I think it means we hold until next year or when the right player comes along.

Plus it forces Washington's hand right off the bat and dominoes fall.

I agree that the young talent seems deep at shooting guard and center, so therefore the Kings free agent priorities should be addressing the small forward, point guard, and power forward.

Obviously young talent upgrades at any positions would also be wonderful, so a log jam of young talent may be helpful to let true talent rise to the top.

I'm excited not only that the Kings have versatile young talent across the board, but also that their chemistry has been very good to finish the year, as well as the camaraderie between the 4 rookies that were just added.

With 12 players under contract, they only have room for 3 more active players and one designated G-league player. Perhaps they should prioritize their free agency period as follows:

1) Obvious young talent upgrade (regardless of position)
2) Relationship between team and incoming player to maintain chemistry
3) Position of need (young as able, short term flexibility if not)
4) Take on albatross contract for young future assets/picks
5) Staying under the salary floor if none of the above is possible to compensate/incentivize their players under rookie contracts.

Obvious talent upgrades may lead to the dreaded treadmill status, but if they could get all star in their prime talent here they should do this happily, regardless of position. Both the term All-Star, and prime can be dangerous and subjective, but this usually should pass the smell test.

Coach Joeger has many lasting relationships with his former Grizzlies players, some may be more productive (Tony Allen/Zach Randolph) than others (Jeff Green/Matt Barnes ). There is also the Scott Perry and Ken Kantenella Detroit connection that may lead to a free agent or trade like the Anthony Tolliver signing last year.

I'm excited about seeing Bogdon Bogdanovich adapt to the NBA game, especially with De'Aaron Fox pushing the pace. Vlade and Peja have the Serbian connection to both Bogdon and Milos Teodesic, but Bogdon also had a lot of success in the playoffs next to the defensive efforts of Ekbe Udoh, a multifaceted rebounder, rim runner, and shot blocker. Maybe they could capitalize on these connections to optimize team chemistry and a defensively tenacious, uptempo shot making squad. If no all star wants to come here, I'd say take a flier on all 5 (Bogdon Bogdanovich, Tony Allen, Milos Teodesic, Zach Randolph, and Ekbe Udoh) and protect Harry Giles for one more year of development and rehab.

1) Milos Teodesic/De’Aaron Fox/Frank Mason

2) Bogdan Bogdanovic/Buddy Hield/Malachi Richardson

3) Tony Allen/Garrett Temple/Josh Jackson

4) Skal Labissiere/Ekbe Udoh/Zach Randolph/Harry Giles (Rehab/Designate)

5) Willie Cauley-Stein/Kousta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis



If these connections don't excite Vlade and company then I agree a max offer to Otto Porter would be great. Jeff Teague is an UFA and nearly as fast as Fox...would he be a starting point that could mentor De'Aaron better, or would Collison and/or Lawson and their chemistry from last year be a safer bet? Paul Milsap can rebound and shoot and at 32 could give the Kings 4 years of steady leadership.

1) Darren Collison or Ty Lawson or Jeff Teague/De’Aaron Fox (starting mid season)/Frank Mason

2) Bogdan Bogdanovic/Buddy Hield/Malachi Richardson

3) Otto Porter/Garrett Temple/Josh Jackson

4) Paul Millsap/Skal Labissiere/Harry Giles

5) Willie Cauley-Stein/Kousta Koufos/Georgios Papagiannis


If the Kings are set on reaching the salary floor, but do not want/strike out with the options above could they help another team by absorbing a crap contract for a rookie level player or picks (especially 2019 due to the Philadelphia trade)

IMO, staying well under the salary floor is not the same now as nearly hitting the floor under the Maloofs because there are so many players still under their rookie contracts. The penalty for being under the floor is to distribute the funds to the roster players, and this perhaps would be great incentive for them to give constant effort, even if they are over matched for talent. Progressively, the chemistry should remain good, and the talent would improve from within. Furthermore, playing this much youth would likely insure a high 2018 pick, improving the overall talent, like option 1 of free agency. Win, win?

Please, give a max offer to Otto Porter, an all-star in the making, who would match perfectly with Fox, who will eventually be our second all-star. If that doesn't work for us,, then try for Tony Snell. Also, get us a point guard that can mentor the two newbys and introduce them to the NBA game. We also need a PF (stretch 4?) to spell and mentor Skal and WCS as they learn the ropes. Keep the veteran salaries in the 1 and 1 field, and only really pay good money for players that will be with the team long term. Good luck Vlade and his team to get this accomplished in the next two years.

GO KINGS !!!

(1) The Wizards cannot afford to lose Porter. They can sign him to max without going over luxury tax. (2) They are not going to get Wall to agree to extension if Porter walks. (3) We do not have 20M in assets the Wizards would want in S&T. I think once free agent signs the offer sheet the team has 72 hours or thereabout to match it. This is lost time. Because whether you can get Porter dictates who else you may sign and reserves that money if you have allocated X dollars to spend.

But regardless of the logistics, Otto is not leaving the Wizards for nothing. If he leaves in a S&T it would have to be a damn appealing trade package and we cannot put on together amounting to 20M in salary. So why should we even try given these circumstances? There is one thing to be aggressive, but it is another to completely unrealistic. I say we go after Tony Snell. The Bucks are 111M in payroll. We can get him to be our starting small forward. He has a 7"0 wingspan to defend long wings in the West: Durant, Ingram, Wiggins, Gallinari, etc and he nailed 41% of his 3s last year. He's not as good as Otto, but he's smooth and coming into his own.

Offer him the max and make them match it then if its such a sure thing they will keep him no matter what. Him signing at max will basically cement their core as Wall, Beal, and Porter Jr. going forward with not much room to fill around that. That might not be good enough to get them to commit.

All I want is Patrick Beverley and Joe Ingles. Let their tenacious defensive intensity rub off on the kids.

Can we have Giles, Jackson, and Mason play big minutes in the G-League for a year?

I'd be happy if we competed every game and developed our kids, while ending with a top 8 pick.

Hopefully we can get out of the lottery the year after...

While Otto may be a longshot, I think you still take a stab at it.

First, Ernie Grunfeld is not an upper echelon GM. Second, it has been said that Boogie intends to join Wall when he hits free agency after the upcoming season.

If I were an exec with the Wizards, and my star PG is dropping inside hints (speculating here) that Boogie wants to join, I would have to ask myself a question.

Will we ever have a shot at winning the ECF and playing for the championship with the bulk of our cap tied to Wall, Beal and Porter?

Would we have a better shot with Wall, Beal and Boogie?

They have to be asking themselves that when they are inevitably faced with someone offering Otto a max contract. Have to.

I don't see why us making a bid at 12:01 7/1 is a bad idea. Otto is about the only FA target that makes sense for us to make a big offer for this free agency.

If it fails I cant think of who we are going to miss out on just for trying. We can afford to try and fill holes while the 72hr window is open.

I think the smart thing to do now would be to shop for a veteran small forward and point guard in a salary dump situation.

For example, do a salary dump with Portland for moe harkless or the Phoenix for Brandon knight or houston's Patrick Beverly and get a draft pick or two back as compensation.

That way, we get a veteran player that fills a need and we also pick up a draft pick or two for the salary dump. Also, these players would have less years remaining on their contract, as opposed to over paying a current free agent on a new 4 year deal. These salary dump deals would expire at the time our current rookie deals reach the option years.

First of all he has to sign an offer sheet and there may be other teams coming at him. You make the offer and see if he signs and then you have 72 hours and then go after Snell if you want. Not all free agents sign on day one. You also have to consider that most of the time on these sign and trade deals the team losing the player is just getting some minor compensation like what we got for IT or Reke. It's not about making an attractive offer, it's peanuts compensation but maybe it's a second rounder and a trade exception.

I don't think the Kings want to take on any long term deals despite draft picks. They want to keep the cap flexibility that would allow them to strike when the opportunity arises.

Don't agree at all. They're going to end up committing an insane amount of money to the Wall-Beal-Porter trio that's pretty much maxed out on it's potential. And they have to lose all their bench. And as you already stated, they just gave up a first round pick for Bojan, it's hard for me to believe that they're willing to let him walk for a half-season rental.

It's the same deal as Portland. Are their owners going to pay through the roof in the luxury tax for a team that has 0 shot at winning a championship? Highly doubt it. Basically, the Wizards have to choose between Porter or actually adding depth to their team. So...

Malachi Richardson
Garrett Temple

for

Otto Porter S&T

This saves them enough money to keep Bojan, they get 2 guys who can start at SF for them and they get a young cost-controlled wing for the next 3 years. Maybe we even take Ian Mahinmi off their hands if it gets us Porter. There should be a deal here if the Wizards FO actually thinks this through.

It's not necessarily FA signings, but who we take in as potential cap dumps. So we get good player x for taking bad contract player y. Well, we needed roster spots to do that.

How would you guys describe Porters game? Is he more than a defender amd 3 point shooter? Can he create for himself and others? Whos game does he currently match the best?

If his numbera are likely a recipient of acclimating to the league and developing chemistry with Wall,or in other words Wall is what is making him successfull, then do we want him at Max money? What does he brung to the table over Tony Snell who could be had at much cheaper?

Is there a list of next years FAs somewhere? LeBron, PG13 I know will be, but we have no chance at. I'm wondering who we will have a chance at? Without a 2019 pick, I'm sure the urgency and pressure to improve will be there next offseason.

Snell would be a great signing... I'm on board.

Do we have a chance at Ibaka? He can't be asking for a max contract right?