Trade with San Antonio?

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joemama

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Vlade, listen: San Antonio!


The Spurs want Cp3, but they already have Tony Parker, Patty Mills and Dejounte Murray!
The Kings want quality youth and some quality vets.
*It just works out too perfectly

Kings trade Aaron Afflalo (12.5 Mil, just really 1.5 Mil buyout), Ben McLemore (5.4 QO, could just waive) and Malachi (1.5).
Spurs trade Tony Parker (1 yr 15 Mil), Danny Green (2 yr 10 mil, 2nd year PO), Murray (1.2) and Bertans (1 yr 900k).

The main reason for the Spurs is they want an elite point guard. With THREE All-Stars: CP3, Kawhi and Aldridge I can see them finding one shooting guard or have Ginobili play one more year. With options like this even B-Mac can sit there and hit corner 3s all day.
Cp3/Mills
McLemore/Malachi/Vet
Kawhi/K.Anderson
Aldridge/D.Lee
Pau/Dedmon (or other vet)

All the "kingsfans" keep talking about this years (upcoming) draft. What about last years draft. I wanted Murray and when Parker went down he played in the Western Conference Finals *AS A ROOKIE. I liked Tolliver, but Bertans is good. The kings would have FOUR players coming from a winning team, would not have to worry about finding starting point guard, future point guard, starting small forward OR stretch four.
Parker/Murray/Galloway
Hield/Bogs
Green/Temple
Skal/Bertans
WCS/Koufos

*This is without the 5th pick, this is without the 10th pick, this is without the 34th pick!
I don't claim to know who the Kings will draft, but I am mentally preparing myself for Fox being gone, but with Murray I have my future kings point guard, so there is no "NEED" to draft a pg and sf, instead I can breathe a sigh of relief and take the BPA. Personally (IMHO) I would love to take Isaac! The kid has a nose for the ball and rebounds. I have heard some things about this Mitchell kid flying up boards, but would be happy with a hard-nosed defender in Frank. For the early second rounder, I would love Swanigan (because I don't think Rabb or J. Evans will be there). Potentially we could look something like:
Parker/Murray/Galloway
Hield/Bogs/Mitchell
Green/Temple/Isaac
Skal/Bertans/*Isaac
WCS/Koufos/Swanigan ;)
 
funkykingston

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I don't think the Kings can trade McLemore in a package deal as part of a sign-and-trade.

I also think there's little chance the Spurs deal Murray. I love him (he's who I wanted at 22 last draft) but even IF the Spurs land CP3 he's 32 years old and they'll want to keep their young, promising PG.
 
Capt. Factorial

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funkykingston said:
I don't think the Kings can trade McLemore in a package deal as part of a sign-and-trade.
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I'm pretty sure they can deal him in a sign and trade. The only restriction on that would be if he signs an offer sheet with another team or accepts the QO, then we couldn't S&T him. Typically this sort of thing is planned out through agents/FOs, so if a team wanted Ben in a sign and trade, he wouldn't sign an offer sheet even if they presented it. In that case the offer sheet would be more of a negotiating tactic - the other team basically telling the Kings that they are willing to force us to match or lose him and then the Kings trying to leverage that if they don't really want him back on that contract.
 
funkykingston

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Capt. Factorial said:
I'm pretty sure they can deal him in a sign and trade. The only restriction on that would be if he signs an offer sheet with another team or accepts the QO, then we couldn't S&T him. Typically this sort of thing is planned out through agents/FOs, so if a team wanted Ben in a sign and trade, he wouldn't sign an offer sheet even if they presented it. In that case the offer sheet would be more of a negotiating tactic - the other team basically telling the Kings that they are willing to force us to match or lose him and then the Kings trying to leverage that if they don't really want him back on that contract.
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For some reason I thought sign-and-trades couldn't involve other players from the team trading the player.

In any event in the proposed scenario I can't imagine San Antonio would want Ben, especially at a higher salary. They'd want the capspace.
 
ockingsfan

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funkykingston said:
I don't think the Kings can trade McLemore in a package deal as part of a sign-and-trade.

I also think there's little chance the Spurs deal Murray. I love him (he's who I wanted at 22 last draft) but even IF the Spurs land CP3 he's 32 years old and they'll want to keep their young, promising PG.
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If the Spurs don't want to include Murray in a trade, I would ask for Kyle Anderson and their 1st round pick for the salary dump. I think Anderson could be a very valuable rotation player, he can play SF, SG or PG.

For some reason, I could see Vlade wanting Pau Gasol (and keeping him) in this salary dump scenario.
 
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joemama

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funkykingston said:
I don't think the Kings can trade McLemore in a package deal as part of a sign-and-trade.

I also think there's little chance the Spurs deal Murray. I love him (he's who I wanted at 22 last draft) but even IF the Spurs land CP3 he's 32 years old and they'll want to keep their young, promising PG.
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Cp3, parker, mills, murray
Why would they want 4 point guards?

I would prefer mills but to clear space AND to clear the point guard logjam parker makes the most sense. This leaves them mills as a quality reserve.

At first i thought gasol but with dedmon and lee as free agents pau and aldridge stay starting 4 and 5.

I also proposed bmac so spurs could elect "not" to offer QO in order to save more money.

This does 2 things for spurs clears logjam and cuts salary.
 
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joemama

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Parker and green are not "flashy" but they are quality players at 2 positions we have almost no players (at)

I am seeing more and more "reports" of spurs wanting cp3. Who would give them room? Spurs get room kings get youth in murray and bertans. Bertans is only signed for one more season so it would be more to own his rights and a pick this year would be nice because we do already have hield, papa, skal, malachi and potentially bogs all hitting FA at the same time.

If they want chris paul we want murray at a minimum
 
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joemama

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I do not want ball because i think ball will be there at 5. smith jr. injuries are worriesome and i think frank needs time. I also see frank more as 2 or3

Murray was playing in west conference finals, getting to rack, teardrops, floaters, shot, nice scoring arsenal.

If spurs dont want to trade i say we go after patty mills in free agency. I woud want him above lawson or collison. I have liked mills play for quite some time
 
Ozymandias

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Patty Mills is as good as gone if they land CP3, also they'll need to spend on some sort of C because Dedmon opted out and is due for a considerable raise.

I really like Mills, he'd be a perfect compliment off the bench behind De'Aaron Fox.

I refuse to believe the Spurs are looking to move Danny Green. I doubt they cast Tony Parker or Murray away either.. I guess though Parker is the odd man out if they're looking to clear space.

Kyle Anderson would be great here, if they could land him he'd be a nice asset.
 
Mike

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joemama said:
Vlade, listen: San Antonio!

The Spurs want Cp3, but they already have Tony Parker, Patty Mills and Dejounte Murray!
The Kings want quality youth and some quality vets.
*It just works out too perfectly

Kings trade Aaron Afflalo (12.5 Mil, just really 1.5 Mil buyout), Ben McLemore (5.4 QO, could just waive) and Malachi (1.5).
Spurs trade Tony Parker (1 yr 15 Mil), Danny Green (2 yr 10 mil, 2nd year PO), Murray (1.2) and Bertans (1 yr 900k).

The main reason for the Spurs is they want an elite point guard. With THREE All-Stars: CP3, Kawhi and Aldridge I can see them finding one shooting guard or have Ginobili play one more year. With options like this even B-Mac can sit there and hit corner 3s all day.
Cp3/Mills
McLemore/Malachi/Vet
Kawhi/K.Anderson
Aldridge/D.Lee
Pau/Dedmon (or other vet)

All the "kingsfans" keep talking about this years (upcoming) draft. What about last years draft. I wanted Murray and when Parker went down he played in the Western Conference Finals *AS A ROOKIE. I liked Tolliver, but Bertans is good. The kings would have FOUR players coming from a winning team, would not have to worry about finding starting point guard, future point guard, starting small forward OR stretch four.
Parker/Murray/Galloway
Hield/Bogs
Green/Temple
Skal/Bertans
WCS/Koufos

*This is without the 5th pick, this is without the 10th pick, this is without the 34th pick!
I don't claim to know who the Kings will draft, but I am mentally preparing myself for Fox being gone, but with Murray I have my future kings point guard, so there is no "NEED" to draft a pg and sf, instead I can breathe a sigh of relief and take the BPA. Personally (IMHO) I would love to take Isaac! The kid has a nose for the ball and rebounds. I have heard some things about this Mitchell kid flying up boards, but would be happy with a hard-nosed defender in Frank. For the early second rounder, I would love Swanigan (because I don't think Rabb or J. Evans will be there). Potentially we could look something like:
Parker/Murray/Galloway
Hield/Bogs/Mitchell
Green/Temple/Isaac
Skal/Bertans/*Isaac
WCS/Koufos/Swanigan ;)
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I don't see them trading Parker. They would be more likely to keep him as their backup point guard to come on with the second unit. I'd imagine him and Manu will lead that second unit which would be a good move for them.

The other thing to consider is Patty Mills will need paying since he's out of contract. He is not going to be cheap and I suspect they won't keep him and sign Chris Paul.

I could see us getting Danny Green in return and perhaps a young talent like Murray, and that could appeal to us. But I don't see us getting Parker or them getting rid of Parker, he'll be a one team guy.
 
Mike

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Ozymandias said:
Patty Mills is as good as gone if they land CP3, also they'll need to spend on some sort of C because Dedmon opted out and is due for a considerable raise.

I really like Mills, he'd be a perfect compliment off the bench behind De'Aaron Fox.

I refuse to believe the Spurs are looking to move Danny Green. I doubt they cast Tony Parker or Murray away either.. I guess though Parker is the odd man out if they're looking to clear space.

Kyle Anderson would be great here, if they could land him he'd be a nice asset.
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Danny Green is the most expendable if they are going after Chris Paul. With CP3, Leonard, Aldridge and Gasol in their starting line up, then all they would need to do is sign a solid 3&D guy to slot in at SG. They might even be able to get production out of Malachi if he was included in a trade.

I don't see Tony Parker going anywhere. I suspect he would move to the bench and lead their second unit with Manu. And that's if both return and don't retire. Another possibility could be them waiving Parker and spreading his cap hit, they could always then bring him back on the cheap since I assume he'd get his money and then another pay cheque on top of it.

Could they consider trading Aldridge? He wasn't exactly stellar in the play offs.

Gasol has a player option, if he opts out that frees up cap space. If he opts in, could they trade him if they are desperate to clear space?

I suppose one final alternative for them would be a sign and trade for CP3 that works for them both, but that ones harder to see. Though in all honesty they could look to trade for someone like Eric Bledsoe if they want to pair two players of a similar age together in Bledsoe and Leonard. It might even be easier to do that if the Suns want to sell due to them drafting Fox.
 
Blob

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joemama said:
Vlade, listen: San Antonio!

The Spurs want Cp3, but they already have Tony Parker, Patty Mills and Dejounte Murray!
The Kings want quality youth and some quality vets.
*It just works out too perfectly

Kings trade Aaron Afflalo (12.5 Mil, just really 1.5 Mil buyout), Ben McLemore (5.4 QO, could just waive) and Malachi (1.5).
Spurs trade Tony Parker (1 yr 15 Mil), Danny Green (2 yr 10 mil, 2nd year PO), Murray (1.2) and Bertans (1 yr 900k).

The main reason for the Spurs is they want an elite point guard. With THREE All-Stars: CP3, Kawhi and Aldridge I can see them finding one shooting guard or have Ginobili play one more year. With options like this even B-Mac can sit there and hit corner 3s all day.
Cp3/Mills
McLemore/Malachi/Vet
Kawhi/K.Anderson
Aldridge/D.Lee
Pau/Dedmon (or other vet)

All the "kingsfans" keep talking about this years (upcoming) draft. What about last years draft. I wanted Murray and when Parker went down he played in the Western Conference Finals *AS A ROOKIE. I liked Tolliver, but Bertans is good. The kings would have FOUR players coming from a winning team, would not have to worry about finding starting point guard, future point guard, starting small forward OR stretch four.
Parker/Murray/Galloway
Hield/Bogs
Green/Temple
Skal/Bertans
WCS/Koufos

*This is without the 5th pick, this is without the 10th pick, this is without the 34th pick!
I don't claim to know who the Kings will draft, but I am mentally preparing myself for Fox being gone, but with Murray I have my future kings point guard, so there is no "NEED" to draft a pg and sf, instead I can breathe a sigh of relief and take the BPA. Personally (IMHO) I would love to take Isaac! The kid has a nose for the ball and rebounds. I have heard some things about this Mitchell kid flying up boards, but would be happy with a hard-nosed defender in Frank. For the early second rounder, I would love Swanigan (because I don't think Rabb or J. Evans will be there). Potentially we could look something like:
Parker/Murray/Galloway
Hield/Bogs/Mitchell
Green/Temple/Isaac
Skal/Bertans/*Isaac
WCS/Koufos/Swanigan ;)
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You are penciling in Tony Parker as our starter? There's is serious question whether he ever plays again.
 
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ovrush

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It makes some sense, I just personally think the Kings give up too much of their only tradable asset (cap space), and don't receive enough of the only type of asset we should be acquiring (young talent with potential to become a star). I like everything that comes in here, but nothing we get is a star (or has the potential to grow into a star), we don't have a star on the roster, and until we get one I honestly think all our focus should be towards that goal. Since we can't sign one in free agency, that means getting draft picks. This trade doesn't bring in draft picks, makes us marginally better which hurts our draft pick next year, doesn't bring in a long term star, and eliminates a tradable asset that could be used to get a pick.

It definitely improves the team. It brings in quality vets and decent young talent that are potential role players. In a bubble, it's a win for the Kings and a solid tactical move... not a very good strategic one though in my opinion. I want to see us leverage our cap space for picks. We could potentially add 2-3 first round picks with the cap space we have. We need to start stockpiling assets. Being good next year sadly would hurt our rebuild pretty drastically.
 
Kingster

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Ozymandias said:
Patty Mills is as good as gone if they land CP3, also they'll need to spend on some sort of C because Dedmon opted out and is due for a considerable raise.

I really like Mills, he'd be a perfect compliment off the bench behind De'Aaron Fox.

I refuse to believe the Spurs are looking to move Danny Green. I doubt they cast Tony Parker or Murray away either.. I guess though Parker is the odd man out if they're looking to clear space.

Kyle Anderson would be great here, if they could land him he'd be a nice asset.
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I find it very hard to believe that Patty Mills would be a bench warmer behind Fox. Mills would get the big minutes and Fox would be the bench warmer. We have a large body of evidence now that tells us that "giving" rooks minutes over more deserving vets isn't Joerger's style. (Admittedly, at the end of last season, the Kings went to tank mode and sat a lot of the vets, so yeah, maybe at the tail end of next year the same could happen).

Also, Patty Mills is 28 years years old, just entering into the prime years of his career. Why would he want to go to a team of youngins during his prime, and why would the Kings want him? By the time the youngins get good, Mills would be on the downhill slide. The Kings need a point guard 25 years old or less, who once the Kings' youngins are good, he's in his prime.
 
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Cap is projected at 102million next year. Spurs are at around 93.5million after renouncing the cap holds(except for Jonathan Simmons). They would need to get rid of around 21million.
I wouldn't put Malachi in a deal

A deal that could make more sense is Parker+Anderson+Murray for Afflalo. Nothing else. We get Murray to take on Parker's contract. I think Anderson is at best, a bench point-forward like Boris Diaw. If my math is correct, this deal would allow them to offer the full max to Paul.

CP3/Vet min
Green/Simmons
Leonard/Bertans
Aldridge/
Gasol/Lee

Not sure if Manu will retire
 
bajaden

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I doubt that Parker is going anywhere. I see him retiring in San Antonio. I think the entire city would be up in arms if they traded him. I also don't see them trading Murray. The Spurs are a smart organization. They didn't get where they are by trading away their young up and coming prospects. I can see them trying to rid themselves of Gasol's contract. But I don't see Parker, Murray or Green going anywhere. I think Mills is a goner and someone we should pursue.
 
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joemama

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Looky Looky San Antonio is finally open to moving green:
Jabari Young: League sources tell the @ExpressNews that #Spurs are open to trading guard Danny Green. No deal is close as of yet, though #NBA pic.twitter.com/lo4k57Tswd
– via Twitter JabariJYoung

Paul Garcia: As mentioned yesterday, Green’s contract would have to be moved to get into the max free agent ball park (CP3 range). twitter.com/JabariJYoung/s…
– viaTwitter PaulGarciaNBA

*This is what I suggested 20 days ago!
Gives us quality starting SF, I would at least want Jordan Bell (or Swanigan) after they draft him and J. Evans if we are making the selection.
 
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joemama said:
Looky Looky San Antonio is finally open to moving green:
Jabari Young: League sources tell the @ExpressNews that #Spurs are open to trading guard Danny Green. No deal is close as of yet, though #NBA pic.twitter.com/lo4k57Tswd
– via Twitter JabariJYoung

Paul Garcia: As mentioned yesterday, Green’s contract would have to be moved to get into the max free agent ball park (CP3 range). twitter.com/JabariJYoung/s…
– viaTwitter PaulGarciaNBA

*This is what I suggested 20 days ago!
Gives us quality starting SF, I would at least want Jordan Bell (or Swanigan) after they draft him and J. Evans if we are making the selection.
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Can green play SF? I would take their draft pick along with Green. Green is a one year rental and probably be a solid transition player.
 
KingsSelecao

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Mills will get paid. But, he would never end up here unless he's promised the starting role.
If the Kings plan on drafting a PG, Mills is out of the picture.
 
Jkbiker

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pdizo916 said:
Can green play SF? I would take their draft pick along with Green. Green is a one year rental and probably be a solid transition player.
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well nba.com lists him as G-F , at 6ft6in 215lb, I Guess he is considered a swingman that can play SF? But with Leonard spurs starting at SF, he has been playing Guard
 
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joemama

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Green is a classic 3 and D guy.
He doesn't handle the ball very much but he is a very good team and individual defender. He mostly is relied on to stretch the floor (i.e. catch and shoot), but he does play SF both when Kawhi goes to the bench AND when Kawhi plays PF in small ball line ups.

Green and Temple would be an excellent defensive combo.
I think of him very much like Temple. He is better defender than Temple but doesn't have the handles. They both can hit an open 3.

I would much rather Green the starting small forward than A-fll-alo-way-jump shot.
 
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joemama

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AaronPDX said:
Sam Amico reporting the Spurs are dangling LaMarcus Aldrich for top 10 pick
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Uhhh
Did you see what the spurs looked like when kawhi went down?
LaMarcus Aldridge looked terrible. His mid-range is money but besides wide-open unguarded j's he was pretty useless.

20 mil, 21 mil, 22 mil
63 million BAD reasons not to do it
 
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