Bogdan Bogdanovic

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He'd be lucky to get $7MM per season. I'd guess he gets about $5MM. He's got no leverage to run up the price.

If Bogdanovic is worth $10MM per season whats Joe Ingles worth??
 
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True, but since Teodosić value is 8,9 million, i guess Bogdan shouldn't be over 6,7

Does anyone knows how much % are taxes in Sacramento?
California's taxes will make you :mad::mad::mad: mad. 7.5% and 13% for higher in income bracket. Alot of people are actually leaving CA for these reasons.

His leverage is that he can threaten to just stay in Europe and the kings would be left empty handed.
Our leverage is the NBA.
 
His leverage is that he can threaten to just stay in Europe and the kings would be left empty handed.
And the Kings leverage is that they can just go pay proven NBA starter-level talent on the open market. Is Bogdanovic really some irreplaceable scarce commodity? No, he's not "the missing piece".. He's a promising young player, no need to pay some crazy premium for him, he should get what the market dictates and thats not starter $$, he's gonna be a rookie....

I'd much rather pay Otto Porter or Danilo Gallinari upwards of 20MM than Bogdanovic at $10MM-$12MM.. Would much rather pay Joe Ingles $15MM..

C.J. Miles will probably be cheaper than $10MM, sounds like a better bargain to me.

I'd also pay Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, even with the DUI, considerably more..

Bogdanovic needs to prove hes starter quality before getting that kind of $$$.. They're not gonna roll out the red carpets for him and give him Buddy's starting job. The Kings have space now but with all these rookies expiring over the next few years will have to be prudent with long-term deals. Right now they're about as flexible as you can get, pretty much all the vets expire soon and the rest are on restricted rookie deals.
 
And the Kings leverage is that they can just go pay proven NBA starter-level talent on the open market. Is Bogdanovic really some irreplaceable scarce commodity? No, he's not "the missing piece".. He's a promising young player, no need to pay some crazy premium for him, he should get what the market dictates and thats not starter $$, he's gonna be a rookie....

I'd much rather pay Otto Porter or Danilo Gallinari upwards of 20MM than Bogdanovic at $10MM-$12MM.. Would much rather pay Joe Ingles $15MM..

C.J. Miles will probably be cheaper than $10MM, sounds like a better bargain to me.

I'd also pay Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, even with the DUI, considerably more..

Bogdanovic needs to prove hes starter quality before getting that kind of $$$.. They're not gonna roll out the red carpets for him and give him Buddy's starting job. The Kings have space now but with all these rookies expiring over the next few years will have to be prudent with long-term deals. Right now they're about as flexible as you can get, pretty much all the vets expire soon and the rest are on restricted rookie deals.
You can pay porter or Danilo $20+mil, doesn't mean they will take it, more than likely not.

The kings still need to get to the salary floor. Paying Bogdan $10 mil would be the equivalent of signing a mid level free agent in the current salary cap explosion.

I think Bogdan has pretty good potential to outperform his contract, even at $10 mil a year.
 
You can pay porter or Danilo $20+mil, doesn't mean they will take it, more than likely not.

The kings still need to get to the salary floor. Paying Bogdan $10 mil would be the equivalent of signing a mid level free agent in the current salary cap explosion.

I think Bogdan has pretty good potential to outperform his contract, even at $10 mil a year.
It'd behoove Porter to take the highest bid possible because the Wizards will likely match anyway.

Free agency works based on priority levels, thats how the dominoes fall every year.

Bogdan is not an A priority, players like Porter, Gordon Hayward and Gallinari are, proven starters... He's somewhere in the B or C range along with Joe Ingles (who's at this stage better and more proven), CJ Miles, Rudy Gay and Andre Iguodala.

Bogdan doesn't have carte blanche or the sort of leverage where he can make extreme contract demands, Fenerbache will be owed over $1MM for his buyout, his options and negotiating power inside the NBA are still limited, he's not on the Rookie scale but there's still no impetus to overpay him. If he wants the big $$$ you come to the NBA and prove that your worth it in your second contract, thats the way things are structured, I assure you he's not gonna break that mold.

There's a lack of precedent for what you're talking about too, he's in a similar situation as Mirotic years back and will get a similar contract.

To outperform a $10MM/per season contract as a bench player in the NBA you need to be in the running for the 6th man of the year. How many prolific seasons did Manu have to have under his belt to command that type of contract?

to put it bluntly, the Suns certainly didn't appraise him to be worth that, or anywhere near it, they valued him as a trade chip, and not the lions share of the haul..
 

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It'd behoove Porter to take the highest bid possible because the Wizards will likely match anyway.

Free agency works based on priority levels, thats how the dominoes fall every year.

Bogdan is not an A priority, players like Porter, Gordon Hayward and Gallinari are, proven starters... He's somewhere in the B or C range along with Joe Ingles (who's at this stage better and more proven), CJ Miles, Rudy Gay and Andre Iguodala.

Bogdan doesn't have carte blanche or the sort of leverage where he can make extreme contract demands, Fenerbache will be owed over $1MM for his buyout, his options and negotiating power inside the NBA are still limited, he's not on the Rookie scale but there's still no impetus to overpay him. If he wants the big $$$ you come to the NBA and prove that your worth it in your second contract, thats the way things are structured, I assure you he's not gonna break that mold.

There's a lack of precedent for what you're talking about too, he's in a similar situation as Mirotic years back and will get a similar contract.

To outperform a $10MM/per season contract as a bench player in the NBA you need to be in the running for the 6th man of the year. How many prolific seasons did Manu have to have under his belt to command that type of contract?

to put it bluntly, the Suns certainly didn't appraise him to be worth that, or anywhere near it, they valued him as a trade chip, and not the lions share of the haul..
People have to remember that Bog's isn't in the same boat as unrestricted free agents. The only NBA team that can bid for him is the Kings, and their competition is Europe. If his current team offers him four years starting at 6 or 7 mil a year, then all we have to do is give him a little more than that. We don't have to jump up to 10 or 12 mil. We would be bidding against ourselves.

By the way, I certainly hope that Ingles is on the Kings target list this summer.
 
People have to remember that Bog's isn't in the same boat as unrestricted free agents. The only NBA team that can bid for him is the Kings, and their competition is Europe. If his current team offers him four years starting at 6 or 7 mil a year, then all we have to do is give him a little more than that. We don't have to jump up to 10 or 12 mil. We would be bidding against ourselves.

By the way, I certainly hope that Ingles is on the Kings target list this summer.
Here is the thing, if his current team pays him in the $7 mil per year range and we offer him the same, I think he would be just as apt to just stay at home and become a legend in Europe than to come over and relocate half way across the world if we pay the same, plus he has a $1 million buyout he needs to pay.

You have to remember, he is not a college player and his only avenue to make a living is the NBA. I'm sure he is very comfortable in Europe.

If we offer him the same money, he could just stay in Europe and stay at home with his family and become a legend.

If he gets $7 mil from his current team, I think we need to go at least $8-9 million to get him over here.
 
Here is the thing, if his current team pays him in the $7 mil per year range and we offer him the same, I think he would be just as apt to just stay at home and become a legend in Europe than to come over and relocate half way across the world if we pay the same, plus he has a $1 million buyout he needs to pay.

You have to remember, he is not a college player and his only avenue to make a living is the NBA. I'm sure he is very comfortable in Europe.

If we offer him the same money, he could just stay in Europe and stay at home with his family and become a legend.

If he gets $7 mil from his current team, I think we need to go at least $8-9 million to get him over here.
Part of it is money but part might be drive. Do you want to be a legend in Europe or legend in basketball. No offense to euroleague or cba or any other league, but for most, NBA is the ultimate goal. There are a few that are comfortable at being the big fish in a small pond but if your goal is to be a world known basketball star, NBA is the goal. In America a few hardcore basketball fans might know a handful of European stars that never made it over, but if you ask almost any average basketball fan in the world they should know who Michael Jordan, lebron James, or even Stephen curry is.
 
First of all, taxes in Europe are smaller. In Turkey, i think about 10%.

Second, the most paid player in Europe last year was Alexey Shved, earning about 3 millions per year. Then Teodosic and De Colo, Vesely, Llull, noone more then 2,5/3 millions. Bogdan's contract was, in my opinion, about 1,5m and i believe they won't offer him more then 2,5 millions in new contract. So i guess 6/7 millions (because of taxes) would be significant money improvement for him....
 
He'd be lucky to get $7MM per season. I'd guess he gets about $5MM. He's got no leverage to run up the price.

If Bogdanovic is worth $10MM per season whats Joe Ingles worth??
C'mon man!

With the new cap, MLE is around $10 million and you are saying that he is not worth MLE type of contract?

I have said many times before, the money Bogdan gets will have to be at least the same that he would in Europe keeping in mind that all the salaries in Europe are after tax. So if you are paying him $5 million per season, that is equivalent to about 2.5 million euros.....he gets that from Fener without even negotiating....not to mention other Euroleague teams that would be willing to pay him more to get him to leave Fener.

And I am not even going into other endorsements that are part of his contract....car, place to live, deals with Turkish Airlines, and other companies within Europe that sponsor him as a star face of the Euroleague both in Turkey and Serbia and Europe in general.
 
Part of it is money but part might be drive. Do you want to be a legend in Europe or legend in basketball. No offense to euroleague or cba or any other league, but for most, NBA is the ultimate goal. There are a few that are comfortable at being the big fish in a small pond but if your goal is to be a world known basketball star, NBA is the goal. In America a few hardcore basketball fans might know a handful of European stars that never made it over, but if you ask almost any average basketball fan in the world they should know who Michael Jordan, lebron James, or even Stephen curry is.
You are making an assumption that Bogdanovic has that type of potential....let me tell you straight away that he doesn't. He will be a good NBA player who is worth roughly MLE or just over the MLE money. He is that European player who falls into that awkward category where he is an absolute star in Europe and in the NBA he is good NBA player without being spectacular...Think Rudy Fernandez or Navarro from years gone by.

I can tell you right now that Europe as it currently is, is not some small pond. Players of Bogdanovic's ilk will make an excellent living for themselves and have the ability to earn money in European basketball well after their playing days are over. Dejan Bodiroga in a legend in Europe who is doing very well for himself as an basketball official after retirement. He is someone who never went to the NBA despite being more than good enough to play there. He chose to be the "big fish in a small pond" and he is doing better for himself in retirement as an official than many of the stars from the same generation that tested the NBA in that time and had a quite reasonable NBA career for themselves.
 
I don't think it's just about wanting to be the "big fish in a small pond", it's more about playing in a different basketball context. Tanking, different officiating and so on.
 
C'mon man!

With the new cap, MLE is around $10 million and you are saying that he is not worth MLE type of contract?

I have said many times before, the money Bogdan gets will have to be at least the same that he would in Europe keeping in mind that all the salaries in Europe are after tax. So if you are paying him $5 million per season, that is equivalent to about 2.5 million euros.....he gets that from Fener without even negotiating....not to mention other Euroleague teams that would be willing to pay him more to get him to leave Fener.

And I am not even going into other endorsements that are part of his contract....car, place to live, deals with Turkish Airlines, and other companies within Europe that sponsor him as a star face of the Euroleague both in Turkey and Serbia and Europe in general.
Still it's just short-term $$$ compared to making your way into the NBA and carving out a niche for a big raise in your second contract.

I'd rather give that kind of $$$ to Joe Ingles who shot 44% from 3 and locked down JJ Redick and Klay Thompson when guarding them in the playoffs.


His pay should be something like C.J. Miles, who's a great sparkplug 6th man type and shot 41% from 3 on volume attempts.

If Bogdanovic shoots 40% from 3 here as a rookie or sophomore I'll eat crow about it..
 
Still it's just short-term $$$ compared to making your way into the NBA and carving out a niche for a big raise in your second contract.

I'd rather give that kind of $$$ to Joe Ingles who shot 44% from 3 and locked down JJ Redick and Klay Thompson when guarding them in the playoffs.


His pay should be something like C.J. Miles, who's a great sparkplug 6th man type and shot 41% from 3 on volume attempts.

If Bogdanovic shoots 40% from 3 here as a rookie or sophomore I'll eat crow about it..
We'll see what happens but I am pretty confident in saying that Bogdan will get at least MLE money. Kings did not trade for him just to penny pinch when it comes time to signing him. Especially considering that they will have close to $60 million in cap space and with no prospects of signing high level free agents.
 
We'll see what happens but I am pretty confident in saying that Bogdan will get at least MLE money. Kings did not trade for him just to penny pinch when it comes time to signing him. Especially considering that they will have close to $60 million in cap space and with no prospects of signing high level free agents.
Lemme just say I prefer it to taking on junk contracts for future picks. I like the kid, he plays with great fire. I saw him mostly when he played with Partizan but am definitely a believer, I'm also a big believer in being very cautious about overspending, especially for a smaller market team it can cause tons of problems, so I'm extra fickle, especially in a situation like this one where the only other bidders will be outside of the league - and I take him at his word that he wants to play in the NBA.
 
One Serbian media posted couple hours ago interview with Bogdan... the interesting part for us is when he said: "They say you should leave when it's the best... just like i went from Partizan when it was the best time. But like i said, so many factors still included."

Encouraging statement, and i like Emiliano's statement too :D
 
I hope Bogdan comes over and starts working out with the Kings Coaching staff and the Players that are in town. Be nice to see him get acclimated to the Sacramento area and the United States in general. Vlade and Peja should be a huge help in that regard.

I think sometimes we Fans forget that Players are human just as we are. It could take awhile before Bogdan to reach a comfort level with new surroundings. Though 10 million a year should help:)
 
I hope Bogdan comes over and starts working out with the Kings Coaching staff and the Players that are in town. Be nice to see him get acclimated to the Sacramento area and the United States in general. Vlade and Peja should be a huge help in that regard.

I think sometimes we Fans forget that Players are human just as we are. It could take awhile before Bogdan to reach a comfort level with new surroundings. Though 10 million a year should help:)
Also maybe bring him over a week it isn't 110 degrees. Being hot as hell this week might scare him away too :p
 
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