Fox gone, Tatum or Isaac at 5?

Isaac makes a lot of sense in Phoenix. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see him there.

Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Isaac, Fox. If so, wonder how far Tatum falls.

Tatum to Orlando at 6

I'm thinking they like Smith.

If the first 6 are Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Isaac , Fox, Smith then I hope we call Thibs about a possible Tatum at 7 for Markannen/Colins at 10 type of deal. Worth a shot.

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That is a good question indeed. We don't have a body of work with Thibs in a FO role to look at and get an idea of his thinking.

I do know two things about the T-Wolves situation. They lack reliable outside shooting and they were not great defensively.

I also know very early on it was said Thibs might consider moving the pick for a vet. Unfortunately I don't think our vets would be of interest to them.

I think a lot of these draft day deals are very fragile, with deals materializing or falling apart at the moment a team involved is on the clock. If the T-Wolves really want Isaac ( I don't know for sure ) would they not be intrigued by Tatum at least a little.

Hard to say.

Whereas Tibb's is a defensive minded coach, the only veteran player that might interest him is Temple. Don't know if that would sweeten the pot enough, but might be worth a try.

Former Florida State Seminoles forward Jonathan Isaac will not workout for teams picking outside of the top four of the 2017 NBA draft, according to ESPN Minnesota’s Darren Wolfson.


“I know he's worked out for the Phoenix Suns and Boston Celtics,” Wolfson said on the June 12 episode of The Scoop podcast. “I know some teams below the [Minnesota Timberwolves] are trying to get some face time with Isaac. They are swinging and missing so far.

“Jonathan Isaac will only workout for teams in the top four,” he followed in the final five minutes of the June 13 show.

Isaac has worked out with the Suns twice so far, becoming the first prospect to visit a team a second time since workouts began.


The 19-year-old forward averaged 12 points and 7.8 rebounds per game to lead the Seminoles to the second round of the NCAA tournament, where they lost handily to Xavier. He made half his field goal attempts and 35 percent of his threes in his lone season at Florida State before declaring for the NBA draft.

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/14/15800740/jonathan-isaac-nba-draft-workout-rumor-suns-celtics-magic

So if fox is gone , he doesnt want to beat out Tatum at 5 ?

Really?

Whereas Tibb's is a defensive minded coach, the only veteran player that might interest him is Temple. Don't know if that would sweeten the pot enough, but might be worth a try.

Kosta Koufos might also have some value for Thibs.

We can also can take back a bad contract like Pekovic's contract to move up to 7 for Tatum. And we take Fox at 5.

Maybe something like our #10, KK, and our #34 for #7 (Tatum) and Pekovic's salary dump.

If we come out of the draft with Fox at 5 and Tatum at 7, Vlade would be a genius.

I really don't get drafting Isaac, a guy who has not proven anything offensively other than a catch and shoot guy. He's shown zippo offensive creativity, he hasn't shown any ability to be a go-to guy, or have any ball handling skills worth mentioning. If you draft him you're banking on the hope that it's the system and coach that has suppressed his awesome offensive talent that he has been unable to demonstrate. Is this guy going to ever be able to break down a defense? Is ever in his lifetime going to be able to make passes off the dribble? Why would the Kings spend a #5 pick on a guy who is eventually going to be a 3 and D guy? That's a guy you get in the teens or the 20s or lower. Or it's a guy you can get in FA. You can't get a major star in FA if you're the Kings. The draft is it. You get your stars in the draft or you settle for eternal damnable mediocrity. The only discussion should be: Does he have a legit chance at stardom or not? Period. The End. Stars play offense. Stars are guys who get their shot, who make plays for others, who have creative offensive games. He's long and he's athletic and undeveloped and he's a major offensive project in NBA terms and he's not going to stop anybody worth mentioning in the NBA. Look, if you're dying for a player like Trevor Ariza, I get it. I like Trevor Ariza as a nice defensive player. But if you like a player like Trevor Ariza, then go out and get him in FA or make a minor trade deal. Don't waste a #5 on a young Trevor Ariza. If they really think that Isaac is the best they can do, they really need to trade up. Get the #3 at least so at the least they can get Jackson. At least you can begin to see something with Jackson doesn't require hallucinogens in order to see the possibility of stardom.

I really don't get drafting Isaac, a guy who has not proven anything offensively other than a catch and shoot guy. He's shown zippo offensive creativity, he hasn't shown any ability to be a go-to guy, or have any ball handling skills worth mentioning. If you draft him you're banking on the hope that it's the system and coach that has suppressed his awesome offensive talent that he has been unable to demonstrate. Is this guy going to ever be able to break down a defense? Is ever in his lifetime going to be able to make passes off the dribble? Why would the Kings spend a #5 pick on a guy who is eventually going to be a 3 and D guy? That's a guy you get in the teens or the 20s or lower. Or it's a guy you can get in FA. You can't get a major star in FA if you're the Kings. The draft is it. You get your stars in the draft or you settle for eternal damnable mediocrity. The only discussion should be: Does he have a legit chance at stardom or not? Period. The End. Stars play offense. Stars are guys who get their shot, who make plays for others, who have creative offensive games. He's long and he's athletic and undeveloped and he's a major offensive project in NBA terms and he's not going to stop anybody worth mentioning in the NBA. Look, if you're dying for a player like Trevor Ariza, I get it. I like Trevor Ariza as a nice defensive player. But if you like a player like Trevor Ariza, then go out and get him in FA or make a minor trade deal. Don't waste a #5 on a young Trevor Ariza. If they really think that Isaac is the best they can do, they really need to trade up. Get the #3 at least so at the least they can get Jackson. At least you can begin to see something with Jackson doesn't require hallucinogens in order to see the possibility of stardom.

I also don't see go-to scorer ability in Isaac. He's got good quickness and solid ballhandling for his size so the hope is there that he expands his game on offense, but right now he's pretty much limited to catch-and-shoots, pull ups off the dribble, turnaround jumpers closer to the basket, and open lane drives to the hoop. His hands concern me as he doesn't always catch passes cleanly, but yes, at the very least I think he can be a guy who hits open shots and gets some tip-ins on offense.

But I think you're underrating him on the other end. He's more than just a good defender ala Ariza. He's a good rebounder, a very good shotblocker and guy who can be used to switch on pretty much anything which is becoming increasingly important in today's NBA. But just his length and shotblocking make him much more valuable than Ariza. I know Markkanen (erroneously IMO) keeps getting the Porzingis comp, but to me Isaac is more of a poor man's Porzingis with better defense and less versatility on offense.

Wow. Serious misread and misguided analysis of an awesome prospect. I will remember this and those who clicked "Like". We will revisit this in future if you guys are around to own up to your inaccurate assessment. The Suns are highly likely to take Isaac #4 (over Tatum, Smith Jr, etc). Period. This will be the first indication of his superior talent and the inability of some to assess prospects with any competent degree of accuracy. Isaac is going to be a fantastic pro. Comparing him to Trevor Ariza is ridiculous.

And one more thing, in unfortunate event that the Top 4 players of this draft are: Fultz, Jackson, Ball, Fox, then the newest Sacramento King is going to be Jonathan Isaac if Vlade has his head half screwed on straight. That's the bottom line by any semblance of prudent analysis so you may as well prepare yourself now to cheer for the "next Trevor Ariza"

I'd still take him over Tatum though. Tatum is an isolation 2 point scorer, who isn't athletic, and has a small wingspan. He reminds me of a cross between Tobias Harris and Rudy Gay. He's probably more of a sure thing, but I don't think his skill set leads to many wins.

Definitely missed the mark on the comparison. Trevor Ariza is a bad comparison. I'm pretty hesitant on Isaac just because I feel like his floor is very low. He showed great athleticism, defensive instincts, and 3 point shooting, but he's also very thin, uncoordinated at times, and isn't great at attacking the basket. He's definitely the biggest boom or bust prospect, which is why I think claiming he is going to be a bust is premature, but also saying he is going to be a fantastic pro is as well.

I also don't see go-to scorer ability in Isaac. He's got good quickness and solid ballhandling for his size so the hope is there that he expands his game on offense, but right now he's pretty much limited to catch-and-shoots, pull ups off the dribble, turnaround jumpers closer to the basket, and open lane drives to the hoop. His hands concern me as he doesn't always catch passes cleanly, but yes, at the very least I think he can be a guy who hits open shots and gets some tip-ins on offense.

But I think you're underrating him on the other end. He's more than just a good defender ala Ariza. He's a good rebounder, a very good shotblocker and guy who can be used to switch on pretty much anything which is becoming increasingly important in today's NBA. But just his length and shotblocking make him much more valuable than Ariza. I know Markkanen (erroneously IMO) keeps getting the Porzingis comp, but to me Isaac is more of a poor man's Porzingis with better defense and less versatility on offense.

He doesn't have the lateral foot speed of an Ariza. So he's a little more than Ariza in some areas, a little less in others. Net-net he's a complementary role player, just like Ariza. You're overvaluing length and shotblocking and undervaluing offensive capability. Utah has the best defensive center in the game; just a hunch, but I think Gobert has got the length and the shot blocking ability that is head and shoulders above Isaac. What happened against the Warriors? Utah gets de-molished. Gobert is in the game, they get demolished. Gobert is out of the game - demolished. In order to win in today's NBA you better put tremendous offensive pressure on the other team. Personally, I think good offensive players just love to go against players who are offensively deficient and defensively proficient. LOVE IT! Why? Because they don't have to exhaust themselves defending the offensively deficient player on the other end of the floor. You can put Gobert out there at center and then pick four other very good defensive but bad offensive players (four Tony Allen's) out on the court and that team would get de-molished by the Warrior or Cleveland by 100-50. Defense is being overrated on this board in my view and offense is being under-rated. We need a star, and stars score!

Wow. Serious misread and misguided analysis of an awesome prospect. I will remember this and those who clicked "Like". We will revisit this in future if you guys are around to own up to your inaccurate assessment.

You do realize that most of us really don't give a flying rat's *** about what you choose to remember.

You do realize that most of us really don't give a flying rat's *** about what you choose to remember.

Most of us? This is tactic of an insecure person and bully. To create illusion of one vs many. Why do you do this? Are you not secure in expressing yourself without thinking there are like-minded individuals in your corner? You have 12000 posts and 1000 likes (12:1). I have one like per post (1:1) . I wouldn't be so presumptuous to presume that you speak for the masses.

Wow. Serious misread and misguided analysis of an awesome prospect. I will remember this and those who clicked "Like". We will revisit this in future if you guys are around to own up to your inaccurate assessment. The Suns are highly likely to take Isaac #4 (over Tatum, Smith Jr, etc). Period. This will be the first indication of his superior talent and the inability of some to assess prospects with any competent degree of accuracy. Isaac is going to be a fantastic pro. Comparing him to Trevor Ariza is ridiculous.

And one more thing, in unfortunate event that the Top 4 players of this draft are: Fultz, Jackson, Ball, Fox, then the newest Sacramento King is going to be Jonathan Isaac if Vlade has his head half screwed on straight. That's the bottom line by any semblance of prudent analysis so you may as well prepare yourself now to cheer for the "next Trevor Ariza"