Bad Contracts for Picks

#2
I look at Portland and think that Turner and Crabbe have horrible contracts. However, I would NOT take either of those players because I think they'd take PT away from our young players. Crabbe is more of a 3&D SG. Turner is a ball dominant SG. Not sure I'd take 15th+another pick for 1 of those contracts.

I'd be fine with taking on Noah's contract for a future 1st.

Alec Burks for the 30th pick this year or a future 1st

Chandler Parsons for a 2018 unprotected 1st, a 2020 unprotected 1st, and Arron Afflalo

Ian Mahmi, Kelly Oubre, and a protected 2019 1st for Garrett Temple and Arron Afflalo
 
#3
I like this article.
Cliff Notes: We will have a ton of cap space this summer so we should be looking to take on a couple of bad contracts in exchange for picks/young players. This is exactly what the 76ers did to us in that trade where they fleeced us of the #3 pick this year and our 2019 1st rounder (unprotected).

Thoughts?

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2017/...ce-bad-contract-salary-dump-asset-acquisition
Fleeced? We dropped two spots and lost the 2019 unprotected 1st round pick whose value is yet to be determined. Vlade gambled and he lost (and he got lucky).

What I didn't like about the article was the author only looked at two year and longer contracts. Unless the price was outrageous, the longest contract I took back (unless you had hope for that player) would be two years. The author didn't think we could get something similar back, for the contracts he was looking at I wouldn't settle for less.

Other than those minor quips, I like the idea behind it. And I would be shocked if Kings' management wasn't looking at something along those lines. Even if it doesn't happen until the trade deadline.
 
#4
If they can't get a medical exemption for him, I'd make a deal with the Wolves for Pekovic's contract to move up from 10 to 7. That's assuming Thibs wants the extra caproom and would be willing to move back in the draft.

With Portland, I think the Kings could grab one of their later 1sts (#20 or more likely #26) to take Meyers Leonard's contract off their hands. The Blazers need to cut salary and I don't think they really want to add three rookies when they are trying to win now.

Might be a good place to snag Juwan Evans if the Kings don't end up with Fox or Dennis Smith Jr.
 
#5
I just dont want to sell our cap room low. Hold steady until the right deal presents itself even if it's at the deadline as mentioned above. If there are going to be big contracts being moved this summer we could help broker those deals.
 
#6
If they can't get a medical exemption for him, I'd make a deal with the Wolves for Pekovic's contract to move up from 10 to 7. That's assuming Thibs wants the extra caproom and would be willing to move back in the draft.

With Portland, I think the Kings could grab one of their later 1sts (#20 or more likely #26) to take Meyers Leonard's contract off their hands. The Blazers need to cut salary and I don't think they really want to add three rookies when they are trying to win now.


Might be a good place to snag Juwan Evans if the Kings don't end up with Fox or Dennis Smith Jr.
My issue with this deal is Leonard is due about 30M more so we're taking that on for a late 1st rounder? No more selling low.
 
#7
My issue with this deal is Leonard is due about 30M more so we're taking that on for a late 1st rounder? No more selling low.
Depends on how the front office values that first rounder. The Kings will be around $50-55 million under the cap most likely. Even taking on Leonard's deal and making him the 5th big man on the roster, there's still the money to offer a max contract AND sign Bogdanovic.
 
#8
If they can't get a medical exemption for him, I'd make a deal with the Wolves for Pekovic's contract to move up from 10 to 7. That's assuming Thibs wants the extra caproom and would be willing to move back in the draft.

With Portland, I think the Kings could grab one of their later 1sts (#20 or more likely #26) to take Meyers Leonard's contract off their hands. The Blazers need to cut salary and I don't think they really want to add three rookies when they are trying to win now.

Might be a good place to snag Juwan Evans if the Kings don't end up with Fox or Dennis Smith Jr.
If I'm taking back a contract from Portland, I would ask for SF Moe Harkless and one of their 1st round picks for Afflalo's and his expiring contract. We don't really have any use for Meyers Leonard. Moe Harkless is someone we could use and be a building block for our rebuild.

I'm okay with taking a bad contract with 1 or 2 years remaining for a player and a 1st round pick.

But, please no toxic contacts like Noah's for 3 years and $56 million.
 
#9
I don't mind taking on bad contracts, as long as they won't screw with the mojo. The one thing I liked about the end of last year was that the chemistry and effort was superb despite the "tanking." If the bad contract comes with say Joakhim Noah I'd pass, but there may be others than I wouldn't mind at all.
 
#11
If I'm taking back a contract from Portland, I would ask for SF Moe Harkless and one of their 1st round picks for Afflalo's and his expiring contract. We don't really have any use for Meyers Leonard. Moe Harkless is someone we could use and be a building block for our rebuild.

I'm okay with taking a bad contract with 1 or 2 years remaining for a player and a 1st round pick.

But, please no toxic contacts like Noah's for 3 years and $56 million.
Harkless isn't that bad of a contract. It will take a bad contract for value
 
#13
I just dont want to sell our cap room low. Hold steady until the right deal presents itself even if it's at the deadline as mentioned above. If there are going to be big contracts being moved this summer we could help broker those deals.
totally agreed

"The Kings could put themselves in a similar situation for another team looking to make a splash. For instance, the Spurs are rumored to have some interest in Free Agent-to-be Chris Paul, but don’t have the cap room to sign him. Sacramento can easily act as a facilitator in exchange for some future picks."

kings could be a facilitator for this deal. just give us dejounte murray & a future pick.
 
#14
Exactly. And Portland isn't desperate to dump him. And if they were they could likely find a trade that brought back a player they can use.

It's Turner, Leonard, and Crabbe that represent contracts that they'd probably have to incentivize teams to take off their hands.
Yep. And the thing is, space now isn't what it used to be when we gave up the farm to Philly. With the big cap jump there will be several teams needing to get to the floor. Not like the Kings will have the market on space as Philly did a few years back. I think people need to understand that
 
#15
I'm not so sure this is the move. It depends on your 2 year outlook for this team. If Vlade is truly set on a 2 year re-build, which appears to be the case, I doubt this is the way they go.

Especially a multi-year deal. I'd cite the package Utah got back (Beidrins, Richard Jefferson and Brandon Rush) and the Warriors 2017 1st rd pick so they could clear space for Andre Iguodala. If thats the move It's understandable, especially if it nets a 2019 1st rd pick. Multi-year deals tho are too costly, Kings dont need deadweight, there's such flexibility with the roster right now all the vets expire after this season pretty much(other than Temple and Koufos player options in 18'/19').

I wouldn't be ready to concede that this is the best avenue to spend the $$ before free agency... Unless the plan is to blatantly tank, then it makes tons of sense...
 
#16
Harkless isn't that bad of a contract. It will take a bad contract for value
OK, well if I am taking a "bad" contract, I would ask for Meyers Leonard AND Moe Harkless AND a 1st round pick for Afflalo's expiring contract (may have to include Tolliver's expiring contract to match salary???).

Portland would dump over $60 million in salary and a big Luxury tax hit in one trade. ;)

I would then use that additional 1st round pick and package it with #10 and try to move up to #7 or #8 in this years draft and take the best Point Guard remaining (if we draft a SF at 5) or Issac (if we draft Fox at 5). :)
 
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#17
The article mentioned in the OP is a good one, and that is something that I think several posters on this board have been discussing long before that article was ever published.

Future picks would also be nice, from my perspective. For instance, I would love to get another pick next year as there are some very intriguing prospects next year as well (Doncic, Porter, Ayton, Bamba). I would even consider pick swaps next year under the right circumstances. In that scenario, we would want to target teams that are going to be likely at the bottom of the standings. Orlando, Phoenix, come time mind. But I think those teams know they are going to be bad and so their pick carries a lot of value to them. The trick that Hinkie pulled on Vlade was that Vlade overestimated where we would be in the rebuild process. We need to find someone like that. A team that thinks they are going to be good, but in all likelihood will be bad. Teams that come time mind like that are possibly the Knicks, Bulls, Dallas...maybe Miami...
 
#18
totally agreed

"The Kings could put themselves in a similar situation for another team looking to make a splash. For instance, the Spurs are rumored to have some interest in Free Agent-to-be Chris Paul, but don’t have the cap room to sign him. Sacramento can easily act as a facilitator in exchange for some future picks."

kings could be a facilitator for this deal. just give us dejounte murray & a future pick.
I kind of like this. Not a fan of the Clippers but always liked Pop and the Spurs. Dejounte Murray was a player I wanted last year. I could not believe when we passed on him with all three of our 1st round picks. How he looked as a rookie, or how high SA is on him I'm not sure.

Anyways if they want Paul to help out Kawhi, I assume they would need to move Aldridge, Gasol, Parker, or Manu, as those are their big contracts.
 
#19
In theory, shouldn't the Nets be willing to take Crabbe for a minimal price? After all, they were the team that technically "signed" him to that contract in the first place before Portland matched...
 
#20
I kind of like this. Not a fan of the Clippers but always liked Pop and the Spurs. Dejounte Murray was a player I wanted last year. I could not believe when we passed on him with all three of our 1st round picks. How he looked as a rookie, or how high SA is on him I'm not sure.

Anyways if they want Paul to help out Kawhi, I assume they would need to move Aldridge, Gasol, Parker, or Manu, as those are their big contracts.
gasol, and manu. they would both agree to buyouts.... i highly doubt they'd trade manu tho. he's one of their guys they'd like to see on only 1 team.
 

kingsboi

Hall of Famer
#21
I'm okay with the team taking on bad contracts so long as the pick is a high pick. But if we are over here talking about taking Turner, Crabbe or Noah off those teams' hands, no way. Turner & Crabbe signed those deals last off season and Noah has three remaining, I'd look elsewhere or stay pat and keep the capspace for the next offseason and go all out and acquiring the desired player.
 
#22
I think Turner is something we'd be looking at if we are taking bad salary that may be amenable to both sides. It's going to be a player underperforming, like a Turner or Deng, that you think you can put in a better situation.
 
#25
We should certainly do it. We have to hit the floor at least. so using it to get some assets would be ideal.

That said, I don't think it would be very easy to get great deals. It's not like we are the only ones with cap space. For example (all data from hoopshype), Sixers, if they don't pick any team options, have a salary of just over 35M this year, and only 8 players on the roster. Even after adding their picks, they will have tons of space, and several open roster spots in which to slot these assets.

By contrast, our salary next year (assuming we buy out Afflalo, don't make a qualifying offer to Ben, Rudy sticks to his plan of opting out, and Galloway comes back) is in the region of 45M, and we'll have 9 spots committed. Once we add our 3 rooks and Bogdan, we'll have just two roster spots. If we take back a back a bad contract, we can take only one draft pick/prospect. And this assumes that we'll have only rookie PG on the roster.

I understand other scenarios (trading Afflalo, but that doesn't save us a roster spot. Plus, if teams can trade to a team willing to absorb a bad contract completely, why will they bother trading for him). Similarly, we may be able to open spots by doing 2/3 for 1 trades, etc. However, till such times, we'll have challenges with both available roster spots, as well as other teams with cap space. We might want to focus more on future assets, than current.

I think we should not take contracts more than 2 years in length, unless it's for someone who really fills some need. We will be bad this year, and that's okay. We don't have our 2019 pick though. Some of the kids would have hopefully proven themselves by then. We'll have a high pick in 2018. All these can entice a decent FA, who sees long term potential with the team. Lots of assumptions of course, but mainly wanted to highlight that roster spots will also be a matter of concern for us.
 

gunks

Hall of Famer
#26
I'm with it.

Better than bad contacts for a fruitless playoff push that ends with us in the lotto....

... which is what we've been doing since Webber's knee exploded..

Considering we want to get another high pick next lotto (I'd assume. Lord knows we aren't chasing 8 again after trading Cuz), I have no problem with loading up on kids and geezers for next season.

Assuming of course that the contract isn't too bad. I wouldn't want us to get Noah. Phil can keep that albatross!
 
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#27
We should certainly do it. We have to hit the floor at least. so using it to get some assets would be ideal.

That said, I don't think it would be very easy to get great deals. It's not like we are the only ones with cap space. For example (all data from hoopshype), Sixers, if they don't pick any team options, have a salary of just over 35M this year, and only 8 players on the roster. Even after adding their picks, they will have tons of space, and several open roster spots in which to slot these assets.

By contrast, our salary next year (assuming we buy out Afflalo, don't make a qualifying offer to Ben, Rudy sticks to his plan of opting out, and Galloway comes back) is in the region of 45M, and we'll have 9 spots committed. Once we add our 3 rooks and Bogdan, we'll have just two roster spots. If we take back a back a bad contract, we can take only one draft pick/prospect. And this assumes that we'll have only rookie PG on the roster.

I understand other scenarios (trading Afflalo, but that doesn't save us a roster spot. Plus, if teams can trade to a team willing to absorb a bad contract completely, why will they bother trading for him). Similarly, we may be able to open spots by doing 2/3 for 1 trades, etc. However, till such times, we'll have challenges with both available roster spots, as well as other teams with cap space. We might want to focus more on future assets, than current.

I think we should not take contracts more than 2 years in length, unless it's for someone who really fills some need. We will be bad this year, and that's okay. We don't have our 2019 pick though. Some of the kids would have hopefully proven themselves by then. We'll have a high pick in 2018. All these can entice a decent FA, who sees long term potential with the team. Lots of assumptions of course, but mainly wanted to highlight that roster spots will also be a matter of concern for us.
We can do a deal right before or during the draft with Afflalo. The rest(most) of the teams that will have cap space can't do until after. Afflalo's contract becomes guaranteed a day or two AFTER the draft. I'm not sure if we could do the Paul Gasol trade proposed unless he's already picked up his player option (basing player option on Hoopshype).
 
#28
We can do a deal right before or during the draft with Afflalo. The rest(most) of the teams that will have cap space can't do until after. Afflalo's contract becomes guaranteed a day or two AFTER the draft. I'm not sure if we could do the Paul Gasol trade proposed unless he's already picked up his player option (basing player option on Hoopshype).
Interesting. Didn't know that.

That said, why can't a team like Sixers, which is well under the cap (assuming it releases the cap holds for its FAs), do a similar deal? Just absorb Gasol's contract, and get the assets. Is there any restriction to doing so before the draft?
 
#29
Interesting. Didn't know that.

That said, why can't a team like Sixers, which is well under the cap (assuming it releases the cap holds for its FAs), do a similar deal? Just absorb Gasol's contract, and get the assets. Is there any restriction to doing so before the draft?
I can be totally full of it but my belief was at the time of the draft teams were still under the salary cap restrictions from their payroll from the 2016-17 season and the salary cap for the 2017-18 wouldn't go into effect until the free agency period began. I have no idea about the cap holds and what restrictions are on them during this time period. There's a link on the sticky'd thread at the top of the "Personnel Moves" page to Larry Coon's FAQ about the salary cap. Most answers about salary cap questions can be found there.
 
#30
Do you guys think the Sixers would be willing to absorb bad contracts right now? They started winning once Embiid and Saric hit their strides together. Throw in Simmons and they could maybe be thinking playoff push to start the year.