OG ANUNOBY

#31
Aside from the injury, I think what most also have issue with is drafting someone who has elite defensive qualities rather than offensive. Defense doesnt move the needle for them and is an afterthought . That thinking is partly why we stay a bottom dwelling defensive team, and thus overall.

Everyone thought Ron Artest was crazy ( I know) for proclaiming we would make the playoffs when we added him. When we did, it was in large part due to his defensive impact on opposing teams top scorers.
 
#35
Sorry, but a torn ACL is just a little more than "dinged up". :rolleyes:
Medical science continues to advance it's truly amazing.
https://theundefeated.com/features/new-acl-surgery-could-cut-rehab-and-recovery-time-in-half/
I'm not discounting it as if its nothing there is no need for emoji passive aggressiveness:p. It's not enough for me to pass on OG personally if the draft chips fall that way. As.I stated previously if the Docs give the green light I would still give him serious consideration and probably give him an extra year off.
 
#36
It's obviously about the injury here first and foremost but if I'm operating under the assumption that he's healthy then Anunoby is the only guy I currently have any interest in at #10. Elite upside on the defensive side of the ball, not too many guys in this draft with legit elite upside on either side of the ball. Throw in the fact that we need a three and he's the perfect pick at ten.
 
#37
I would be very happy with a healthy OG. He is nba ready physically. His shooting "issues" are hard to get a feel for. His 3pt% was in the 40's his freshman year but 30's this year before injury. He never took many. His FT% is hard to gauge for the same reason, he didnt take many.

Freshman year he shut down Jamal Murray in the tourney. Before injury this season he was 18pts 9rebs 2.3 asst 2.1 stealsand 2.1 blocks per 40mins on 62%TS. He takes smart shots and defends at an elite level. Currently slotted at 13th on Draft Express but I have serious doubts he's available till then.
 
#38
OG is a phenomenal 3 and D prospect that could be absolutely elite in that role in the NBA. I have interest but not sure if 10 is the right currency given that Kings must hit a home run with their two top 10 picks this year. Especially when you consider that they won't have a pick in 2019. All that means is that the King must get their stars this year and next year.
 
#39
OG is a phenomenal 3 and D prospect that could be absolutely elite in that role in the NBA. I have interest but not sure if 10 is the right currency given that Kings must hit a home run with their two top 10 picks this year. Especially when you consider that they won't have a pick in 2019. All that means is that the King must get their stars this year and next year.
My concern with Anunoby as a 3&D prospect (beyond the torn ACL) is the 3 part. He looked to have improved his outside shot but (1) it still wasn't a great percentage (2) it was a pretty small sample size and (3) his FT% is still relatively poor.

If Anunoby becomes a Mbah a Moute type player that's not bad but obviously it's much better if he's a contributor on offense rather than just a strong and versatile defender.
 
#40
My concern with Anunoby as a 3&D prospect (beyond the torn ACL) is the 3 part. He looked to have improved his outside shot but (1) it still wasn't a great percentage (2) it was a pretty small sample size and (3) his FT% is still relatively poor.

If Anunoby becomes a Mbah a Moute type player that's not bad but obviously it's much better if he's a contributor on offense rather than just a strong and versatile defender.
Oh I agree! There is just no one that will really like at 10 for this team unless there is a genuine slider that is too good to pass up. That is why I am for trading up and taking on a bad contract.

OG is still VERY raw offensively so I hold hope that the improvement in shooting will come with more reps. If he can hit that 3 at say a 36%-38% that will be HUGE for him. As of now he would be a big liability offensively and you have to keep that in mind if you draft Fox. If you add Fox to a line up with WCS, there has to be shooting from the other 3 spots on the floor.
 
#41
I'd co-sign taking Anunoby at #10 if they take a point at #5..

He's what I like to call a warlord-wing, which the Kings could use for sure. He's a phenomenal athlete. I'm sure many of you have heard the name Zion Williamson by now. Anunoby is certainly the closest thing in this draft. Smart kid too.

The more time that has passed going into this draft, the more I'm sure he's worthy of being selected in the lottery. I've spent way too much time wondering about these things too.
 

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#42
All I can do is echo what others have said. If healthy, Anunoby is worthy of being the 10th pick. He's certainly not my 1st choice, but that player (Isaac) may not be there. I think Justin Jackson should be looked at as well. He's more of a jack of all trades player, but he can ball. I still like Zach Collins at 10 as well. As someone said, it depends on who we draft at 5.

Saw a trade proposed on Twitter that I would do, but not sure if the Knicks would bite. We trade our 10th pick, Afflalo, and Koufos, to the Knicks for the 8th pick in this draft, and their 2019 1st round pick. Plus, we take back the contract of Noah, which is worth about 18.5 mil a year for the next three years. The Knicks need cap space, and Noah is past being a viable player in the NBA.
 
#43
Saw a trade proposed on Twitter that I would do, but not sure if the Knicks would bite. We trade our 10th pick, Afflalo, and Koufos, to the Knicks for the 8th pick in this draft, and their 2019 1st round pick. Plus, we take back the contract of Noah, which is worth about 18.5 mil a year for the next three years. The Knicks need cap space, and Noah is past being a viable player in the NBA.
I don't think that would be a good trade at all for the Kings.

Noah is basically done and the Kings have no need for him. A trade like that would equate to 3 years of bad salary cap use and $56 million dollars for one first round pick.

I think money would be better spent on trying to give the max to a worth while player, like Otto Porter, than to tie up all that cap space and money to get one 1st round pick and a 2 spot move up.
 
#44
I would be for a trade like that, although losing Koufos for it stings. The main thing people would have issue with is taking on Noah. The main thing people will undervalue is the 2019 Knicks 1st round pick.

Not only would we greatly increase our options at our second pick, we add what I would damn near guarantee will be a good lottery pick in a year where we currently have none. The Knicks are in a state of toxicity. Betwwen the coaching power struggle with Hornacek and Rambis, the Melo drama (eh) and now the main foundational piece is unhappy, skipped the exit interview with Phil, and sent out an odd tweet featuring the Clippers when he was "hacked" , they are lottery bound for the next few years.

I would not be surprised if the Knicks 2019 pick is substantially better than the one we give to Philly. I would do that trade in a heartbeat.
 
#45
I don't think that would be a good trade at all for the Kings.

Noah is basically done and the Kings have no need for him. A trade like that would equate to 3 years of bad salary cap use and $56 million dollars for one first round pick.

I think money would be better spent on trying to give the max to a worth while player, like Otto Porter, than to tie up all that cap space and money to get one 1st round pick and a 2 spot move up.
That is all well and good but when was the last time the Kings signed a max player that is not their own FA re-signing?

People really need to get a reality check at times. The best FA Kings ever signed to a long term contract was Vlade Divac who got the bigger contact from the Kings than from any other team. Now Otto Porter will get a max offer from a number of teams and Kings will be some way down that list. I think one thing is almost for certain and that is that there would be other teams offering Porter same money as Kings and who would be more attractive destinations for him. If Wizards offer him a max deal that is more money than Kings can offer.

He might sit down and listen to us thanks to Temple connection but it would require a lot more than a max contract and Temple connection for Porter to chose Kings. Realistically, if I was Otto, Kings would not be at the top of my wish list.
 
#46
I don't think that would be a good trade at all for the Kings.

Noah is basically done and the Kings have no need for him. A trade like that would equate to 3 years of bad salary cap use and $56 million dollars for one first round pick.

I think money would be better spent on trying to give the max to a worth while player, like Otto Porter, than to tie up all that cap space and money to get one 1st round pick and a 2 spot move up.
Really? I think the move is kind to the Kings. We are not a desirable locale, and taking on bad salary may be one of our only uses for that cap. The Knicks will be bad in 19 most likely, and it might be a great pick, and jumping ahead to 8 would ensure one of the top 5 PGs. Kings won't be on Porter or any other high FA list most likely, other teams will be interested. I don't think NY would do that
 
#48
That is all well and good but when was the last time the Kings signed a max player that is not their own FA re-signing?

People really need to get a reality check at times. The best FA Kings ever signed to a long term contract was Vlade Divac who got the bigger contact from the Kings than from any other team. Now Otto Porter will get a max offer from a number of teams and Kings will be some way down that list. I think one thing is almost for certain and that is that there would be other teams offering Porter same money as Kings and who would be more attractive destinations for him. If Wizards offer him a max deal that is more money than Kings can offer.

He might sit down and listen to us thanks to Temple connection but it would require a lot more than a max contract and Temple connection for Porter to chose Kings. Realistically, if I was Otto, Kings would not be at the top of my wish list.
It's one thing to try and sign away Otto porter and strike out and a totally different thing to take on a massive bad contract like Noah from the knicks.

I would rather keep the money and the salary cap space in trying to improve. If the player doesn't take our offer, so be it.

Eventually, in a year or two, if we stay the course and turn our image around and make improvements, we will have the salary cap space to offer a good free agent max money, and they may well take it.

I would rather shoot for the stars and try to get some good free agents than sit on our hands and not try, just because we think no one will sign with us.

Eventually, I think we can become a very attractive destination with a lot of money to offer quality free agents, if we stay the course.
 
#49
And, I could make a case for taking a look at Justin Jackson as well. Funny how no one is even considering him when all he did was put up better numbers than Josh Jackson and win a national championship.
I said in some of the threads around tournament time that I believe Justin Jackson is going to be a good pro. He's got the potential to be a very good 2-way player. He's the type of player the Spurs tend to draft and develop successfully.
 
#50
I would be for a trade like that, although losing Koufos for it stings. The main thing people would have issue with is taking on Noah. The main thing people will undervalue is the 2019 Knicks 1st round pick.

Not only would we greatly increase our options at our second pick, we add what I would damn near guarantee will be a good lottery pick in a year where we currently have none. The Knicks are in a state of toxicity. Betwwen the coaching power struggle with Hornacek and Rambis, the Melo drama (eh) and now the main foundational piece is unhappy, skipped the exit interview with Phil, and sent out an odd tweet featuring the Clippers when he was "hacked" , they are lottery bound for the next few years.

I would not be surprised if the Knicks 2019 pick is substantially better than the one we give to Philly. I would do that trade in a heartbeat.
Sorry, but the Knicks 2019 1st round pick is not worth $56 million.

It is one thing to take on a toxic bad contract in its final year, totally different thing to take a toxic bad contract with 3 years remaining.
 
#51
@ockingsfan
It's not that simple. We should not be trying to lure big name FA's with our cap space for at least this summer or the next unless they are young. Why? What would be the point? Our youth aren't ready to compete yet and we have another draft thats fits our timeline in 2018.
He would be a free agent in 2020 so he becomes a $17m ender the year we get our own pick back. Also your not signing Noah to start. He might just wave a towel and advise our Bigs. One thing about Noah that's undeniable, he has been an energetic and tenacious player on both ends. Not bad traits in a mentor. And for a pick I think will be 1-10 in a year we dont have a 1st rounder and we move to 8th from 10 this year? Im sorry but I would do that deal.
 
#52
@ockingsfan
It's not that simple. We should not be trying to lure big name FA's with our cap space for at least this summer or the next unless they are young. Why? What would be the point? Our youth aren't ready to compete yet and we have another draft thats fits our timeline in 2018.
He would be a free agent in 2020 so he becomes a $17m ender the year we get our own pick back. Also your not signing Noah to start. He might just wave a towel and advise our Bigs. One thing about Noah that's undeniable, he has been an energetic and tenacious player on both ends. Not bad traits in a mentor. And for a pick I think will be 1-10 in a year we dont have a 1st rounder and we move to 8th from 10 this year? Im sorry but I would do that deal.
Just because you can't sign a big name free agent this summer, it is not wise to tie up $18 million a year for 3 years for someone who has no role in the Kings future.

I think the wise move would be to do what vlade did last summer. Sign good solid veterans to short term, salary cap friendly contracts (like afflalo and tolliver's contract) and develop the youth.

When the youth start to win and turn things around, there will be some good free agents on the market and most teams will be capped out.

If we are patient, in 1 to 2 years when the salary cap is not jumping huge amounts, there won't be many teams with huge cap space. That is when, if we have a ton of cap space, we have a chance to sign some quality free agents.
 
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#53
Just because you can't sign a big name free agent this summer, it is not wise to tie up $18 million a year for 3 years for someone who has no role in the Kings future.

I think the wise move would be to do what vlade did last summer. Sign good solid veterans to short term, salary cap friendly contracts (like afflalo and tolliver's contract) and develop the youth.

When the youth start to win and turn things around, there will be some good free agents on the market and most teams will be capped out.

If we are patient, in 1 to 2 years when the salary cap is not jumping huge amounts, there won't be many teams with huge cap space. That is when, if we have a ton of cap space, we have a chance to sign some quality free agents.
Your not signing them in two years. The team is the laughingstock, it's going to take years for the funk to run off. The timeline should be when our youth is due to be paid

Do you know the importance of 10 to 8 this year and a prime first in 19?

We signed mediocre vets because we were trying to win last year, now we are rebuilding and need assets and will be vying for a top pick next year, not trying to win

It's moot, NY wouldn't do that. That contract isn't worth moving back this lottery and another lottery in a couple of years. Knicks fans would pan that
 
#54
Your not signing them in two years. The team is the laughingstock, it's going to take years for the funk to run off. The timeline should be when our youth is due to be paid

Do you know the importance of 10 to 8 this year and a prime first in 19?

We signed mediocre vets because we were trying to win last year, now we are rebuilding and need assets and will be vying for a top pick next year, not trying to win

It's moot, NY wouldn't do that. That contract isn't worth moving back this lottery and another lottery in a couple of years. Knicks fans would pan that
The "laughingstock" label can change fairly quickly.

If you haven't noticed the talk of the agents of the potential lottery players this year, then you may have missed the memo, a lot of the agents have spoken very well of the Kings as landing spots for their prized rookies.

I think the kings have shed a lot of "dis-functionality" and "laughingstock " label since the DMC trade and Scott perry hiring.

I think things can turn rather quickly to the Kings being viewed as a "young and upcoming team" after this draft and summer league.
 
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#55
The "laughingstock" label can change fairly quickly.

If you haven't noticed the talk of the agents of the potential lottery players this year, then you may have missed the memo, a lot of the agents have spoken very well of the Kings as landing spots for their prized rookies.

I think the kings have shed a lot of "dis-functionality" and "laughingstock " label since the DMC trade and Scott perry hiring.

I think things can turn rather quickly to the Kings being viewed as a "young and upcoming team" after this summer draft and summer league.
What I've noticed is Chad Ford predicting a top 20 considered pick might not visit here.

I'll give De'Aaron some credit though. Saying some positive things in his interview, which he may have said about several teams. Hopefully we do see more of it
 
#57
The "laughingstock" label can change fairly quickly.

If you haven't noticed the talk of the agents of the potential lottery players this year, then you may have missed the memo, a lot of the agents have spoken very well of the Kings as landing spots for their prized rookies.

I think the kings have shed a lot of "dis-functionality" and "laughingstock " label since the DMC trade and Scott perry hiring.

I think things can turn rather quickly to the Kings being viewed as a "young and upcoming team" after this summer draft and summer league.
The talk of the agents is because their kids would get minutes in Sacramento. Its not because we are all of a sudden the prime destination for the draftees.

Scott Perry is a great hire and in reality all the managers that were quoted that they would let their clients work out for the Kings have a pre-existing relationship with Scott (i.e BJ Armstrong has known him since high school)

The laughing stock and dis-functional franchise label is still well and truly there and it is not something that will be shed any time soon. Again it is another thing to "attract" a draftee and yet another to attract an "upper level free agent".

Rebuilds are not a quick thing unless you can sign a superstar free agents. It doesn't work like that for the small market franchise. Noah's contract is an albatross and I pause about it too but the bottom line is:

- Kings will not be a good team for at least 3 season. Even the best of rebuilds take 4-5 years
- Kings will still need to use the cap space to get to the salary cap floor and that will be tough given the projected number of kids on the roster
- Kings have gone for the full blown rebuild so it is about accumulation of assets and long term planning
- Kings don't have a lot of assets and its complicated even further by that unprotected 1st round pick in 2019 going to Philadelphia

While ideally, the contracts you take on are attached to useful players that can play for you, it is often not the case. The only time when Kings are able to attract top free agents (and I don't mean superstars) it when they turn into contenders.

In the mean time for Kings to get there, they will need to:

- Draft exceptionally well
- Develop their youngsters really well. This is more difficult in a full blown rebuild where young players tend to get playing time regardless of readiness
- Use their cap space to create more assets that turn into young players (see how Philadelphia used cap space to get a pick swap out of us and a pick with no protection in 2019)
- Trade very well with your long term goal in mind.
- Hope like crazy that you are lucky enough to draft a genuine franchise level player (i.e. not lower tier "franchise" players like Gordon Hayward who is a very good player but just not a franchise level player)

Once you get your franchise level guy, and you are ready to contend or you are already a contender, then you go free agent shopping for upper echelon free agents that will push you closer to the goal. In the mean time, it is about putting yourself in a position to have the ability to make those moves when the time is right.

I would absolutely LOVE it if the Kings walk away from the draft with Fultz and out of free agency with Otto Porter Jr. but I am realistic enough to know the chances of that are very very slim.
 
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#58
@ockingsfan

First let's keep in mid this was a hypothetical trade idea thrown out on twitter and likely not going to happen.

Second I am usually in complete agreement about not tying up the cap. However I would make a very small few exceptions, and this idea constitutes one of them.

Look at it this way. We were expecting to pay 14m this year to a rehabbing Rudy. We are already looking at a roster crunch as is and we should at least try to hit the salary minimum. 1 player adding 17m per year pretty much takes care of the cap when you consider Bog's still needs a contract. In exchange you get to move up in a loaded draft as well as picking up a likely high lottery pick where we have none. All while limiting your roster crunch.

It's been a rougher day than normal for me so I will just agree to disagree on this one.
 
#60
Personally I would be more open to taking on Brandon Knight's contract to trade up in this draft and hopefully get a couple of top 5 picks.

With Knight at least he can get some minutes at PG and some at SG if needed so it doesn't oblige us to sign a PG in the free agency.

By giving Knight more minutes and getting coach Joerger to "reprogram" him you potentially create another tradeable asset in 12-18 months. Where as with Noah, it is kind of a dead weight contract.