Who do we draft?

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I don't think they need a shooting PF, I just think they need outside shooting period. They were worst in the league. Defense is probably a bigger concern but they were terrible this year overall and like you said they still put up a lot of points. It's probably not realistic to think that a couple defensive players are going to turn them into a winning team. Scoring efficiency should be a concern as well if they're serious about making the playoffs for a change. Their playoff drought is even longer than ours.
The problem with Minnesota's defense wasn't a lack of good defensive players. Their team is full of good defensive players, they just need to learn how to play good team defense.
 
Someone always falls a bit. If three of Monk, Smith, Frank or Markkanen find homes in the top 7, Tatum likely falls. I never hear anyone here comment on Tatum but he fills a need.
Good player, good athlete and in my opinion his floor is solid starter in the NBA and his ceiling is possible all star in the future. He's a bit of a ball stopper, but appears to be coachable. He reminded me a bit of Gay during the season with his post up game, but did a better job of playing on the perimeter latter in the season. He's not as good a defender as Isaac, but is a decent to good rebounder, and a better passer at this point in time. He already has an NBA body. Personally, I'll be shocked if he doesn't go in the top five.
 
Yeah, I have a friend that lives in Mulege that's a Laker fan and he''s going to summer league this year. He's been raving about who the Lakers are going to pick. I pointed out to him that the odds are good that the Lakers get bumped and lose the pick along with the 2019 pick. The lakers made some extremely bad moves, including the Mozgov and Deng signings. I won't feel sorry for the Lakers, but I will feel sorry for my friend. Maybe!
Yeah, I have friends that are Laker fans as well. They have this sense of entitlement about them, especially obvious during 2002 when they refused to acknowledge the blatant WC final game 6 officiating in the Lakers favor.
I say fucccccccc them all. I hope they lose this years and their 2019 pick.
A little harsh?
 
Good player, good athlete and in my opinion his floor is solid starter in the NBA and his ceiling is possible all star in the future. He's a bit of a ball stopper, but appears to be coachable. He reminded me a bit of Gay during the season with his post up game, but did a better job of playing on the perimeter latter in the season. He's not as good a defender as Isaac, but is a decent to good rebounder, and a better passer at this point in time. He already has an NBA body. Personally, I'll be shocked if he doesn't go in the top five.
Thanks for that. If he does end up a King, Joerger should be able to work out that ball stoppage fault.
 
Fultz met with the Kings. Just for shiz and giggles, what would it take for Sac to move up and get him? Would have to see who actually gets the top pick but how much would Sac have to pony up? Both picks and a player? Just both picks? A pick and a young guy?
 
Fultz met with the Kings. Just for shiz and giggles, what would it take for Sac to move up and get him? Would have to see who actually gets the top pick but how much would Sac have to pony up? Both picks and a player? Just both picks? A pick and a young guy?
I think it depends on who wins the lottery. If it's the Celtics I think they'd be open to a trade but more than likely be looking to make a package to trade for someone like Paul George.

The #8 & #10 aren't going to get it done regardless. Now, if the Kings jump in to the top three and swap with Philly moving them somewhere between 2-5 then that's a bit more ammo.

But I think most teams in the lottery take Fultz and leave the draft happy unless there's a real godfather offer out there including established NBA talent.
 

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Only way we get Fultz is if us and the 76ers win the top two picks, thus giving us the second pick, and Philly picks Jackson or Ball over him. Pretty unlikely imo.
Well, getting the second (or third) pick is really unlikely. I'm not quite as sold as most people on the near inevitability of Fultz going at #1. I would be pretty surprised to see him at #8, but if he dropped to #3 or #4 I don't think I'd be too shocked. There's a lot of talent at the top of this draft.
 
DX has updated their mock after talking to execs at the combine. Donovan Mitchell now at #12. Wow. Seems like I can forget about envisioning trade down scenarios for him. :p
Hmmm that's interesting. They have Lauri all the way up at 6, and the Kings getting Isaac at #8 and then who is left over between Frank and Dennis Smith. That would be a pretty good draft if we get it.
 
Few thoughts:
  • Ike has an enormous wingspan
  • OG's wingspan isn't the 7'6 people were saying... but 7'2.25 is still good.
  • Bacon measured really solid. 6'6.25, 6'10 wingspan, and a 220lb frame. Can play SG or SF in the NBA imo
  • Brook's 6'6 with a 6'6 wingspan continues to make him a 2nd round prospect
  • Dozier with elite size for a PG at 6'6.75 and a 6'11 wingspan. However, it's more likely he's a SG/ ball handling SF unless he improves his game.
  • Justin Jackson at 200lbs only.. I'm having some serious doubts that he'll be able to put weight onto his frame. However, it's a big improvement from his 193 in last year's combine. He's 6'8.25 with a 7'3.5, but plays soft.
  • Oliver weighed in decently for a PF. No questions about his size at all
  • Fox is really really light at only 169, but I think he'll be able to add more weight. Height and length are really good though.
  • Questions about Zach Collins' length and reach was nonsense.
  • Jawun Evans is short at only 5'11.5 shoes, but his 6'5 wingspan helps a lot
I really wish more top prospects would attend this year
 
Collins with the 9'3 standing reach and 7'0 is good for him. The 7'1 wingspan isn't great, but it's nothing I'm overly concerned with.
I'm more interested in standing reach than I'am wingspan, although they can be related. I wish the NBA would go to length of arm measurements like the NFL instead of wingspan. The wingspan is affected by the width of a players shoulders. In Collins case, a 9'3" standing reach is good.

I was interested in seeing how Devin Robinson, a player I would be interested in in the 2nd round, measured out. He came out legit size for a SF at 6'8.3" in shoes, with a 7'0.8" wingspan, and a 8'10" standing reach. At 190 lbs he needs to get stronger. Terrific athlete, but with limited ball handling skills right now. However, he's shown the potential to be a very good defender.

I was disappointed in Dillon Brooks measurements, and a bit disappointed with Dwayne Bacon's measurements. He's a bit undersized for the SF position. Only 6'6.3" in shoes. But he does have a 6'10" wingspan and a decent 8'7.5" standing reach. Brooks standing reach, at 8'4.5" is almost 6 inches shorter than Robinson's.
 
I think it depends on who wins the lottery. If it's the Celtics I think they'd be open to a trade but more than likely be looking to make a package to trade for someone like Paul George.

The #8 & #10 aren't going to get it done regardless. Now, if the Kings jump in to the top three and swap with Philly moving them somewhere between 2-5 then that's a bit more ammo.

But I think most teams in the lottery take Fultz and leave the draft happy unless there's a real godfather offer out there including established NBA talent.
if the Celtics get the number one pick, they will not trade it for George or Butler IMO. They will instead groom Fultz and that may make IT expendable, as crazy as it sounds.
 
if the Celtics get the number one pick, they will not trade it for George or Butler IMO. They will instead groom Fultz and that may make IT expendable, as crazy as it sounds.
Disagree. If you read the Boston newspapers and blogs, their lusting after George big time. Their tired of developing young players. They want a player they think ca put them in the same ballpark with the Cav's.
 
Disagree. If you read the Boston newspapers and blogs, their lusting after George big time. Their tired of developing young players. They want a player they think ca put them in the same ballpark with the Cav's.
Getting a PG on that team won't get them past LeBron IMO. I think they are better off building their next franchise player, which Fultz very much has the possibility to be.
 
Getting a PG on that team won't get them past LeBron IMO. I think they are better off building their next franchise player, which Fultz very much has the possibility to be.
The Celtics are a game away from the Eastern Conference Finals. Adding Paul George without giving up any of their core and one more smart FA signing could make them a real contender.

I love Fultz but he's years away from leading a team anywhere.

Ainge has always stockpiled assets to give him the flexibility to make big moves.
 
The Celtics are a game away from the Eastern Conference Finals. Adding Paul George without giving up any of their core and one more smart FA signing could make them a real contender.

I love Fultz but he's years away from leading a team anywhere.

Ainge has always stockpiled assets to give him the flexibility to make big moves.
The Raptors were a Eastern Conference Finals team last season too and we see how that has played out. That really doesn't mean much when you have to get through 23 to get to the Finals and as far as I'm concerned, that won't happen with IT and PG as your main players.
 
The Raptors were a Eastern Conference Finals team last season too and we see how that has played out. That really doesn't mean much when you have to get through 23 to get to the Finals and as far as I'm concerned, that won't happen with IT and PG as your main players.
IT, Paul George, Al Horford, Avery Bradley and whoever they sign in free agency to finally address that final starter spot along with a very solid bench would make them the Eastern Conference team with the best shot at knocking off the Cavs and Lebron.

Giving up on trying to win now because you don't think you can beat Lebron (who turns 33 at the end of this year BTW) is a loser mentality.

Besides, as promising as Fultz looks, he's still not a sure thing whereas PG is a known quantity as an all-star who just turned 27 and is in the beginning of his prime. That's a no brainer deal to me if Indiana accepts it.
 
IT, Paul George, Al Horford, Avery Bradley and whoever they sign in free agency to finally address that final starter spot along with a very solid bench would make them the Eastern Conference team with the best shot at knocking off the Cavs and Lebron.

Giving up on trying to win now because you don't think you can beat Lebron (who turns 33 at the end of this year BTW) is a loser mentality.

Besides, as promising as Fultz looks, he's still not a sure thing whereas PG is a known quantity as an all-star who just turned 27 and is in the beginning of his prime. That's a no brainer deal to me if Indiana accepts it.
1 year deal gives them pauses. Honestly, I don't see them trading #1 for George. I think they'll end up doing something like Jaylen Brown+Nets 18 pick though. Even as a playoff contending team, I think they'd rather take 4 years of the best PG prospect since Wall vs. a 1 year lease for an All-Star player.
I love IT as much as the next fan, but IT faces a mountain. He's in his prime at 28, however I think his decline could come much sooner than other stars. Doesn't help that his game relies a lot on athleticism. Fultz could be the heir to the franchise.

I don't think Paul George has high value at all. He's a 1 year rental, and there's a good chance he'll test the FA waters. No one is going to give up big assets for him. The only teams that will are probably playoff teams that have very little assets except future 1sts. No sucky team is going to be able to convince him to stay and resign. Maybe the Lakers?

Larry screwed up by not trading George at this year's deadline. I think Boston definitely would've given the #1 pick+Brown
 
if the Celtics get the number one pick, they will not trade it for George or Butler IMO. They will instead groom Fultz and that may make IT expendable, as crazy as it sounds.
If a trade for George or Butler is on the table for the first overall pick, I think the Celtics will do the trade.

IT is 28 years old, two time all star, and averages nearly 30ppg this season.

Bradley is a similar age and playing elite defense with good offense.

Horford is around 30 years old and still a reliable option.

They usually have two decent forwards, however they don't have an all star at one of those positions. Butler or George would be an upgrade over one of them. It would also keep them in win mode and potentially give them a better chance at title contention. Also, that core would all be in their prime years together.

Now I can see why a team might want to draft Fultz and have him succeed IT, but in that scenario they would need to be confident they could make their upgrades via other means. For instance persuading Hayward to join them, or Blake Griffin. That could be an appealing option since they'd get IT's successor and an all star, but it's risky business to bet on one of the big names signing for them and shunning their existing team. Plus, there would have to be a belief that Fultz can be special, maybe he will, but we've seen countless players down the years never live up to the hype. If he's one of them, they'll spend a long time going "what if" we had traded for Butler or George, maybe we would have another banner in the rafters. The flip could also happen if they don't win with Butler or George, but Fultz is a key member on a title team elsewhere, they'll be wishing they would have drafted him.

For me, I see them trading the pick for a current all star and placing their eggs in that basket.
 
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