Are the Kings Going to Get Anything for McLemore?

Kingster

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#1
I'm assuming the Kings don't want to resign McLemore. Are they going to be able to sign and trade him? If so, what value is reasonable to expect in return? I am just dying to get some value for a player whom the Kings spent a #1 draft pick and for whom they invested four years of coaching into his development. When O' when are the Kings going to finally get a decent return from trading a player on their roster?
 
#3
I'm assuming the Kings don't want to resign McLemore. Are they going to be able to sign and trade him? If so, what value is reasonable to expect in return? I am just dying to get some value for a player whom the Kings spent a #1 draft pick and for whom they invested four years of coaching into his development. When O' when are the Kings going to finally get a decent return from trading a player on their roster?
Thats kind of a stretch, the only real coaching he saw was this year in terms of development, he finally put on some size and you could tell he was shooting with more balance etc, his body finally started getting where it needs to be. I think they extend the qualifying offer and try him out again with hope that another year with Joerger can make him better, hes still pretty young and late bloomers are popping up more and more these days. Plus Vlade has mentioned liking Ben on more than one occasion.

I don't think they get anything in return for him on a trade because he is up for a new contract in a year and is'nt very good.......maybe a late second rounder at best? Who knows but an extremely athletic guy who can shoot will always draw some form of interest. Trading him for nothing is not really worth it IMO since we won't need the cap space for anything else.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#4
The funny thing about the roster next year is that we're already getting our way towards a potential roster crunch. If we assume that the lottery will allow us to keep both of the first round picks we've got, we have 9 slots definitely filled:

Pick #1/Pick #2
WCS/Koufos/PapaG
Skal
Temple
Hield/Richardson

On top of that, I doubt Galloway opts out, so that's 10. And we're hoping to sign Bogdanovic (11). What if Gay opts in (12)? Do we keep Tolliver (13)? Does Isaiah Cousins get a roster spot (14)? Does our #34 pick get a roster spot (15)? Afflalo is gone, but we could trade him for a contract since he can be cut (16). And with all that said, we STILL don't have a point guard, nor have we signed any free agents, so let's assume at least one there (17). Finally, do we get a player in return for McLemore, or try to keep him (18)?

Clearly at least three of these things can't happen (barring trades to reduce the roster size) since we only have 15 roster spots. The real question is which don't happen. It's possible for iCuz and the #34 to sign new two-way D-League contracts instead of full NBA deals, but that's not a sure thing. And with all of those possibilities, I kind of guess that McLemore is going to be one of the casualties. If we get a future second-round pick for him, that's probably about as much gravy as we can hope for.
 

bajaden

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I'm assuming the Kings don't want to resign McLemore. Are they going to be able to sign and trade him? If so, what value is reasonable to expect in return? I am just dying to get some value for a player whom the Kings spent a #1 draft pick and for whom they invested four years of coaching into his development. When O' when are the Kings going to finally get a decent return from trading a player on their roster?
Doing a sign and trade is tricky in his case. The question is, how much does the team you want to trade with want him, and, just who are they willing to trade? Is it someone you would want, or is it just a salary dump for them. Both of those things could be true by the way, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. First the Kings would have to retain his rights to keep him restricted. Second, another team would have to get him to sign an offer sheet. Then the negotiations would start. If they don't want to deal, then the only option we have left is to match their offer sheet in hopes that once we do that, they'll want to deal. But its a gamble. If they back away, guess what, we just resigned McLemore.

Personally, if the Kings aren't interested in retaining him, then I'd just let him walk. He's not Isaiah Thomas. The Kings would have had some leverage in his case. When you add to the equation that we don't have a lot of roster spots available, it would have to be someone we really want. What are the odd's of that? Not worth the trouble.
 
#6
Most of the time a sign-and-trade is only done so a player can get a max salary from his old team and that team gets a player or two of low value so that they don't come out empty handed.

There's no way Ben is getting a max deal (or even a large - relatively speaking - deal) and the Kings (as Capt already pointed out) are going to run out of roster spots quickly so I'm not sure what player they could get in return that's worth a roster spot.

If the Kings don't want him they should just let him walk. Making him a restricted free agent just impedes him signing with another team.
 

HndsmCelt

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Doing a sign and trade is tricky in his case. The question is, how much does the team you want to trade with want him, and, just who are they willing to trade? Is it someone you would want, or is it just a salary dump for them. Both of those things could be true by the way, but I wouldn't bet my life on it. First the Kings would have to retain his rights to keep him restricted. Second, another team would have to get him to sign an offer sheet. Then the negotiations would start. If they don't want to deal, then the only option we have left is to match their offer sheet in hopes that once we do that, they'll want to deal. But its a gamble. If they back away, guess what, we just resigned McLemore.

Personally, if the Kings aren't interested in retaining him, then I'd just let him walk. He's not Isaiah Thomas. The Kings would have had some leverage in his case. When you add to the equation that we don't have a lot of roster spots available, it would have to be someone we really want. What are the odd's of that? Not worth the trouble.
I think you are probably right, moving Ben is probably not worth the effort unless Vlade is pretty sure that a team who is about to have cap problems is interested in him. Then I can see a trade that sends out Ben and brings back a large contract for a player we can use. But doubtful. I think Ben walks, he is now unneeded and his stock is just too low to make him much of a chip.
 

bajaden

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I think you are probably right, moving Ben is probably not worth the effort unless Vlade is pretty sure that a team who is about to have cap problems is interested in him. Then I can see a trade that sends out Ben and brings back a large contract for a player we can use. But doubtful. I think Ben walks, he is now unneeded and his stock is just too low to make him much of a chip.
Yeah, I don't think that Ben will have any trouble finding a job. He's still young, and I'm sure there's a team out there that thinks all he needs is a change of scenery, and they may be right. I wish him the best.

Anyone interested in bringing Jimmer back on a one year deal as a backup PG. He's become a god in China, and is considered one of the best players in all of China. He scored 70 points in one game last season. We know one thing, he can shoot. Maybe we offer him a spot on our summer league team and see what he can do. He played well in summer league last year.
 
#9
Yeah, I don't think that Ben will have any trouble finding a job. He's still young, and I'm sure there's a team out there that thinks all he needs is a change of scenery, and they may be right. I wish him the best.

Anyone interested in bringing Jimmer back on a one year deal as a backup PG. He's become a god in China, and is considered one of the best players in all of China. He scored 70 points in one game last season. We know one thing, he can shoot. Maybe we offer him a spot on our summer league team and see what he can do. He played well in summer league last year.
I will put myself out there and say yes to Jimmer. I'm as optimistic and curious about his ability to play some spot PG as I am Bogdans.
 
#10
I really wanted Jimmer to succeed with us. That said I am more than a little concerned with our current logjam of SGs.

Jimmer would be a fine backup if hes willing to come to Sac. However as more of a SG in a PGs frame my worries would not be alleviated. Only time will tell if we get more balanced.
 

HndsmCelt

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#12
Why not bring Jimmer back on a one year deal to rehab his rep... It's an annual tradition for us to bring in a problematic pg. New year new problem. On a serious note I can squint hard and see the Summer League invite but past that I'd have to see something pretty impressive.
 
#13
Jimmermania baby...
I don't see it happening though I too would love to see him succeed in the NBA. I'm not sure what does not translate with him in the NBA, we are not the only team to give him a shot only to say no thanks. Still he looked good in a recent summer league and is a natural in China. Is he a classic late bloomer.
 

VF21

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I'm assuming the Kings don't want to resign McLemore. Are they going to be able to sign and trade him? If so, what value is reasonable to expect in return? I am just dying to get some value for a player whom the Kings spent a #1 draft pick and for whom they invested four years of coaching into his development. When O' when are the Kings going to finally get a decent return from trading a player on their roster?
Kiss the dream goodbye. We'll be lucky to get a bag of chips and a bottle of water. :p
 
#17
I think the whole NBA sees that we have way too many shooting guards.

I think just about the only thing we may get is a 2nd round pick, for us not matching an offer sheet a team plans on giving him.
 

bajaden

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Why not bring Jimmer back on a one year deal to rehab his rep... It's an annual tradition for us to bring in a problematic pg. New year new problem. On a serious note I can squint hard and see the Summer League invite but past that I'd have to see something pretty impressive.
Well, that would be the point wouldn't it. See what he brings to summer league, and how he fits in with the young guys. Lets remember, Jimmer isn't the same player that left here years ago. He's been working on his game the entire time, and has become a legend in China. He can't even walk down the street there without collecting a crowd. His dream is to make it in the NBA. I'd love to see him realize his dream. Doesn't have to be with us.
 
#21
Well, that would be the point wouldn't it. See what he brings to summer league, and how he fits in with the young guys. Lets remember, Jimmer isn't the same player that left here years ago. He's been working on his game the entire time, and has become a legend in China. He can't even walk down the street there without collecting a crowd. His dream is to make it in the NBA. I'd love to see him realize his dream. Doesn't have to be with us.
Has he developed into a PG? Is his handle remarkablly improved? I always agreed with those who said he just cant make it as a SG due to his size and lack of athleticism. His key to success or failure in NBA would lie in his dribble.

How is his body now? Has he transformed himself physically in a manner that would improve his quickness and strength?
 

HndsmCelt

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Has he developed into a PG? Is his handle remarkablly improved? I always agreed with those who said he just cant make it as a SG due to his size and lack of athleticism. His key to success or failure in NBA would lie in his dribble.

How is his body now? Has he transformed himself physically in a manner that would improve his quickness and strength?
I think you'd be impressed if you watch some of the clips from his China play. He certainly much more toned and muscular. Of course he's not significantly quicker and any Improvement in his handles could only be seen against NBA Defenders but certainly he looks good. I would point out that on the Kings roster where all he would be expected to do is get the ball across the line then pass out and set himself up for a shot, he might be perfect. I'm not sure he will ever be a ball-dominant point guard in the NBA but I'm also pretty sure that's not what we're looking for. Again I would want to watch him closely before opening up one of our precious roster slots for him. As Baja noted he may not be right for us but I think some NBA team may very well be able to use him. In his last incarnation in New York he appeared to be in that strange Twilight too good for the D-League and not quite NBA ready. I'd love to see him get a chance to show that's changed.
 
#24
I'm for having some other team play him in summer league and watch. No to be unkind but he payed defense like a duck which doesn't work. Any team he lays for has to win by out-scoring the other team not ou defending them. No, let's just let Ben walk and rebuild the team some other way.
 
#25
In our last game the Clippers announcers spoke about Ben for a few moments. The jist of what they said was, what the heck happened to all that potential. Does he just need to try another team.

This is how I feel as well. I swear I saw somewhere though that Joerger and or Vlade would like him back.

However this is Draft Time and I am always highly skeptical of most things teams say around this time. Smoke and Mirrors abound so who knows what the team is really thinking with regards to Ben.
 
#26
This is how I feel as well. I swear I saw somewhere though that Joerger and or Vlade would like him back.

However this is Draft Time and I am always highly skeptical of most things teams say around this time. Smoke and Mirrors abound so who knows what the team is really thinking with regards to Ben.
They did say they want Ben Mac and Rudy Gay back at the end of the year press conference.

But, I think a lot of that is to keep their value higher, in case they can get a player or draft pick back in return for a sign and trade. If there is a threat that the Kings might match an offer sheet, maybe they get a 2nd round pick in the deal.
 
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Still think Ben can and will turn out pretty well. With somebody else. Buddy is the better option and I don't think you bring back Ben as a reserve with Bogdan coming over, Temple under contract for 2 more, and Malachi. Making him restricted is just a waste of time for everybody.

The Kings gave him plenty of PT but did him no real favors in way of development and stability. He was playing his best ball for Malone early that season. Malone had him consistent, getting open and playing D. He's been feast or famine ever since.

Ben just needs somebody to give him a defined role as a 3 and D player on s team with enough talent for him to actually buy in to that role.

In Sacramento, Ben has his draft position to live up to and the fact we always needed him to be better than he was. It will do a lot for him to have a clean slate. I can see him being a free agency steal for somebody..but Buddy is superior enough for it not to be regretable when Ben turns out to be an especially good player.
 
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Most of the time a sign-and-trade is only done so a player can get a max salary from his old team and that team gets a player or two of low value so that they don't come out empty handed.

There's no way Ben is getting a max deal (or even a large - relatively speaking - deal) and the Kings (as Capt already pointed out) are going to run out of roster spots quickly so I'm not sure what player they could get in return that's worth a roster spot.

If the Kings don't want him they should just let him walk. Making him a restricted free agent just impedes him signing with another team.
I think a team over the cap might also need to follow this route if they want to add him. Not sure about the CBA, but I don't think a team above the salary cap can sign him. E.g., the Spurs are in desperate need of a shooting guard. Will they take a chance on Ben, and hope that Pop will be able to transform him, the way he has done with so many players in the past.

If so, there might be some trade we may be able to pull off, and get something. However, a team over the cap can't just absorb his contract, and send us some pick in return. They have to send us back some salary. So, unless we have a multiplayer/multi team deal, where we take back someone we like, and or picks, the roster spot issue will be an issue.
 
#30
I think a team over the cap might also need to follow this route if they want to add him. Not sure about the CBA, but I don't think a team above the salary cap can sign him. E.g., the Spurs are in desperate need of a shooting guard. Will they take a chance on Ben, and hope that Pop will be able to transform him, the way he has done with so many players in the past.

If so, there might be some trade we may be able to pull off, and get something. However, a team over the cap can't just absorb his contract, and send us some pick in return. They have to send us back some salary. So, unless we have a multiplayer/multi team deal, where we take back someone we like, and or picks, the roster spot issue will be an issue.
The only issue is that with the big bump to the salary cap there aren't going to be many teams over the cap.