Starters and rotation for Thursday's game

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#1
From the regular rotation we have lost Cuz (PF) and Barnes (PF and SF).

To replace Cuz my first thought is Willie but that leaves the starting lineup with two who don't shoot from over 5 feet away - not good. An alternative is to start Tolliver with either Koufos or Willie.

The other starters have been Afflalo, McLemore and Collison. I would guess coach cntinues with those for these first games with Lawson, Hield and ??? being the first rotation. Don't know who goes in as SF - maybe Temple if available or maybe Skal, a stretch.

In these fist games I expect we won't see Papa in the rotation. Beyond the regular rotation you have Papa, Richardson, GalloWay and, oh I forgot Tyreke, what do we do with him in these first games? Maybe backup SF.

Any guesses on what Joerger might do Thursday and Saturday?
 
#2
I hope KK, Tyreke, and DC are traded.

Get the youth movement going and see what they have. I will not be watching... but I'll follow the youth's progress.
 

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#3
Well, I think its a given Boogie and Brow start together, even with the lack of practices. Jrue of course. I don't think they have much choice but to go with E'Twaun at SG. And Hill should continue to start at SF. But if Casspi as I largely expect magically makes a miracle recovery now, he could actually be the main backup SF with both Pondexter and Cunningham out....

Oh.

oops! Sorry!
 
#5
I expect that Buddy Hield will start at shooting guard. Let him show what he is made of and work off the 1st game jitters right away.

I'm sure he will get a warm welcome tomorrow.

PF WCS /Toliver
SF Afflalo / Evans
C KK/ Papa
SG Hield / McClemore
PG Collison / Galloway
 
#7
I hope there's a large chorus of boos enveloping G1C before the game starts. But, of course, that requires the general fan to understand how things actually went down and why is was disastrous. Unfortunately, too many of them listen to the likes of Peaches and/or read Poison and have taken the hook.
 

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#8
I hope there's a large chorus of boos enveloping G1C before the game starts. But, of course, that requires the general fan to understand how things actually went down and why is was disastrous. Unfortunately, too many of them listen to the likes of Peaches and/or read Poison and have taken the hook.
I wish the fans would go full-blown pissed off WWE fan mode, hijacking the show and just chant for Boogie all night long no matter what was going on.
 

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#9
I hope there's a large chorus of boos enveloping G1C before the game starts. But, of course, that requires the general fan to understand how things actually went down and why is was disastrous. Unfortunately, too many of them listen to the likes of Peaches and/or read Poison and have taken the hook.
I'll be very interested to see if Vivek shows up...
 
#13
I expect ir will be

PG: Collison
SG:McLemore
SF: Afflalo
PF: Tolliver
C: Koufos

Lawson, WCS, Hield, Evans and Galloway get the rest of the minutes.
Barring any additional moves, I'd predict this as well. Joerger is pretty conservative with lineup changes, and I could see him wanting to work in the new guys slowly. Then again, Vivek might order him to start Buddy and play him 36 minutes...
 
#14
I see no reason at all to start our vets. When you want to tank, at least do it the right way this time. No more fake competitiveness. Let the young guys play most of the minutes. Let them learn through mistakes and use the vets to guide them and to keep their confidence up.

PG: Collison
SG: Hield
SF: McLemore
PF: WCS
C: Bam Bam

Hield should get the chance to be a ballhandler, to see what he can and can't do. We need to find out, if Ben is worth keeping. Skal should play lots of minutes split between PF and some SF.

But like I said - this would make too much sense. So I expect our vets to start and some talk about how important it is to compete and to establish a winning culture and all those typical BS.
 
#15
I see no reason at all to start our vets. When you want to tank, at least do it the right way this time. No more fake competitiveness. Let the young guys play most of the minutes. Let them learn through mistakes and use the vets to guide them and to keep their confidence up.

PG: Collison
SG: Hield
SF: McLemore
PF: WCS
C: Bam Bam

Hield should get the chance to be a ballhandler, to see what he can and can't do. We need to find out, if Ben is worth keeping. Skal should play lots of minutes split between PF and some SF.

But like I said - this would make too much sense. So I expect our vets to start and some talk about how important it is to compete and to establish a winning culture and all those typical BS.
I'm not sure all that is BS. I think there's a fine line between letting the young guys work through mistakes and giving them too much rope to develop bad habits. I think the Kings were poorly served in the past when they immediately handed the reins and cleared the deck for Evans, McLemore, and even Cousins. There should still be some accountability from the respected veterans--whether that needs to come from them starting or not is a fair question.
 
#16
If Afflalo is traded I think we'll see:
PG: Collison/Galloway
SG: Hield/Evans
SF: McLemore
PF: WCS/Tolliver
C: KK/Papagiannis

Otherwise,
Collison, McLemore, Afflalo, WCS, and KK.
 
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Well, I think its a given Boogie and Brow start together, even with the lack of practices. Jrue of course. I don't think they have much choice but to go with E'Twaun at SG. And Hill should continue to start at SF. But if Casspi as I largely expect magically makes a miracle recovery now, he could actually be the main backup SF with both Pondexter and Cunningham out....

Oh.

oops! Sorry!
Omg this was great!!! I do agree casspi will be productive again. Joergers rotations sucked. Casspi deserved a better coach and just better all around everything.
 
#19
I'm not sure all that is BS. I think there's a fine line between letting the young guys work through mistakes and giving them too much rope to develop bad habits. I think the Kings were poorly served in the past when they immediately handed the reins and cleared the deck for Evans, McLemore, and even Cousins. There should still be some accountability from the respected veterans--whether that needs to come from them starting or not is a fair question.
You can believe whatever you want. To me all the talk about culture and competing is empty words of incompetent FO guys trying to sound competent and to justify their decisions.
It's a never ending cycle with the Kings. Everything is always about culture and always about competing, but never about basketball. It's laughable especially when the guys at the top behave like lying jerks.
I lived through a long time of misery with the Kings before they drafted DMC and there finally was some hope again. I did the same with my local football club, where also it's always about culture, about character and about being from the same stable (you can google Hamburger Sportverein, if you want another example of gross missmanagement). After more than a decade this talk about culture gets old. It would be a lot more convincing, if the FO and the ownership would actually live the avlues they are preaching. But they don't. So please don't expect, that I give a damn about those empty words - it is indeed pure BS.
Everybody and their moms know, that we aren't competing anymore. There is no need to fake it and to act even more embarassing like we already did, only to screw up our draft position further, than Vlade already did, by letting the vets grind out some wins.
Trade the vets, except for a few true leaders, who can show the younglings the way in training and everyday life and don't let them suffer through this gross period of pointless rebuilding struggles and play the young guns. Finally do something the right way, instead of trying to fool your fanbase.
 
#20
I see no reason at all to start our vets. When you want to tank, at least do it the right way this time. No more fake competitiveness. Let the young guys play most of the minutes. Let them learn through mistakes and use the vets to guide them and to keep their confidence up.

PG: Collison
SG: Hield
SF: McLemore
PF: WCS
C: Bam Bam

Hield should get the chance to be a ballhandler, to see what he can and can't do. We need to find out, if Ben is worth keeping. Skal should play lots of minutes split between PF and some SF.

But like I said - this would make too much sense. So I expect our vets to start and some talk about how important it is to compete and to establish a winning culture and all those typical BS.
If the Owners/Front Office wants that it is their responsibility to move the vets. Otherwise the Coaching Staffs responsibility is to field the most competitive team.

One of Joerger's best traits is that Players have to EARN their minutes. I hope that continues.
 
#21
If the Owners/Front Office wants that it is their responsibility to move the vets. Otherwise the Coaching Staffs responsibility is to field the most competitive team.

One of Joerger's best traits is that Players have to EARN their minutes. I hope that continues.
Not it isn't. The responsibility of the coaching staff is to reach the goal of the season, which is set by ownership and FO. You don't have to move the vets. You can simply bench them.
Now if of course the FO and ownership trade the best player of the team and a valueable reserve and still set the same goal for the season, it's just proof for how dumb and delusional these guys are.
If this is the case the coaching staff should do it's best to find another job, because than obviously this franchise is a hopeless case.
 
#22
You can believe whatever you want. To me all the talk about culture and competing is empty words of incompetent FO guys trying to sound competent and to justify their decisions.
It's a never ending cycle with the Kings. Everything is always about culture and always about competing, but never about basketball. It's laughable especially when the guys at the top behave like lying jerks.
I lived through a long time of misery with the Kings before they drafted DMC and there finally was some hope again. I did the same with my local football club, where also it's always about culture, about character and about being from the same stable (you can google Hamburger Sportverein, if you want another example of gross missmanagement). After more than a decade this talk about culture gets old. It would be a lot more convincing, if the FO and the ownership would actually live the avlues they are preaching. But they don't. So please don't expect, that I give a damn about those empty words - it is indeed pure BS.
Everybody and their moms know, that we aren't competing anymore. There is no need to fake it and to act even more embarassing like we already did, only to screw up our draft position further, than Vlade already did, by letting the vets grind out some wins.
Trade the vets, except for a few true leaders, who can show the younglings the way in training and everyday life and don't let them suffer through this gross period of pointless rebuilding struggles and play the young guns. Finally do something the right way, instead of trying to fool your fanbase.
I'm not sure we are disagreeing over the same thing. You seem to think it's all BS because ownership and the front office are incompetent and can't be trusted. I said I'm not sure it's BS, not because I do think ownership and the front office are competent and can be trusted (far from it!), but rather because I think it might be a better way to develop the youth (a goal I think we both agree on).

I should clarify that, whether they start or not, Buddy and WCS seem ready for significant minutes. However, I'm not sure that throwing Skal and Big Papa out there actually helps them with their long term growth and development if they aren't ready.
 
#23
I'm not sure we are disagreeing over the same thing. You seem to think it's all BS because ownership and the front office are incompetent and can't be trusted. I said I'm not sure it's BS, not because I do think ownership and the front office are competent and can be trusted (far from it!), but rather because I think it might be a better way to develop the youth (a goal I think we both agree on).

I should clarify that, whether they start or not, Buddy and WCS seem ready for significant minutes. However, I'm not sure that throwing Skal and Big Papa out there actually helps them with their long term growth and development if they aren't ready.
Yes we are forced to develop the youth now. There is no other way forward. You want to protect Skal or Papa by not playing them, because that could destroy their confidence?
I view that from a different angle - if playing minutes against bigger, stronger and more experienced guys destroys their confidence, there is a very good chance they don't have the mind to develop into impact players at the NBA level.
Look I'm not a hardass, actually far from it, but pro sports are one heck of an unforgiving environment. The great players use mistakes and defeats as opportunities to grow. And the next big thing is always only one draft away, as forgotten guys like Goodwin show us.
Just because the younglings play lots of minutes it doesn't mean they should be left alone with their fears and struggles. That's what vets are for in a rebuild. They can teach those guys how to handle the pressure of NBA life. But they don't need to be on the court to do that. Playing more vets possibly only leads to more wins and there is no point in winning games right now.
 
#24
You can believe whatever you want. To me all the talk about culture and competing is empty words of incompetent FO guys trying to sound competent and to justify their decisions.
It's a never ending cycle with the Kings. Everything is always about culture and always about competing, but never about basketball. It's laughable especially when the guys at the top behave like lying jerks.
I lived through a long time of misery with the Kings before they drafted DMC and there finally was some hope again. I did the same with my local football club, where also it's always about culture, about character and about being from the same stable (you can google Hamburger Sportverein, if you want another example of gross missmanagement). After more than a decade this talk about culture gets old. It would be a lot more convincing, if the FO and the ownership would actually live the avlues they are preaching. But they don't. So please don't expect, that I give a damn about those empty words - it is indeed pure BS.
Everybody and their moms know, that we aren't competing anymore. There is no need to fake it and to act even more embarassing like we already did, only to screw up our draft position further, than Vlade already did, by letting the vets grind out some wins.
Trade the vets, except for a few true leaders, who can show the younglings the way in training and everyday life and don't let them suffer through this gross period of pointless rebuilding struggles and play the young guns. Finally do something the right way, instead of trying to fool your fanbase.
Lets talk about character, Vlade? You couldn't pick up the phone and personally inform a guy who gave his all on the court for 6+ year he has been traded? A guy who sacrificed his body and led the league in charges drawn year after year? You let media director do the dirty work for you, Vlade? Where's the character in that? Where's the character in holding meeting with Dan Fegan to assure a long term commitment then get on the phone with ESPN Marc Stein to express same sentiment then do the exact opposite within weeks?! Where's you character Vlade? Why would you make public and private declarations when you were not definitive on future regarding your franchise player? Why not say no comment instead of bold faced lies to media, Vlade? Why would you bend to the will and pressure of an agent doing his agent business and betray long suffering Kings fan with a panic trade? Where's the character in that? Obviously Boogie had his issues but at least he was highly competent at his job and that's a lot more than you can say for Vlade Divac, fraud and phony and awful GM.
 
#25
I expect ir will be

PG: Collison
SG:McLemore
SF: Afflalo
PF: Tolliver
C: Koufos

Lawson, WCS, Hield, Evans and Galloway get the rest of the minutes.
Joerger doesn't like to have Koufos and Willie on the floor at the same time, and for good reason. One of them ends up at the high post to make entry or swing pass or power dribble and neither is particularly confident and skilled with quick reads and execution. Additionally Joerger likes Willie and Lawson on the floor together. Tolliver is more likely to get the nod next to Koufos. And we can only hope and pray Affalo is packing his bags instead of in the starting line-up tonight. It will a minor miracle if we can find a taker for that plodding scrub.
 
#26
PG - Hield
SG - Richardson
SF - McLemore
PF - Labissiere
C - WCS
6th- Big Papa

Screw winning games. Collison, Koufos, Tolliver, Temple, and Lawson don't do anything for us anymore. Play the youngest guys as many minutes as they can handle.
 
#27
PG - Hield
SG - Richardson
SF - McLemore
PF - Labissiere
C - WCS
6th- Big Papa

Screw winning games. Collison, Koufos, Tolliver, Temple, and Lawson don't do anything for us anymore. Play the youngest guys as many minutes as they can handle.
PG: Collison
SG: Tyreke
SF: Afflalo
PF: Tolliver
C: Koufos
Bet you anything that is what we see tonight. This is Joerger we're talking about, and I'm not sure the front office has got the memo that this is a terrible team.
 
#29
My guess:

PG: Collison
SG: Tyreke
SF: John Salmons
PF: Kenny Thomas
C: Koufos
I would take that over what we have now. Salmons, for as much flak as he gets, really wasn't that bad of a player (better than Afflalo is now for sure). Kenny Thomas wasn't that bad either, it's just we traded Webber for him and that's what he will be known for around here for all of eternity.

Mikki Moore first big off the bench!
 
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