Trade deadline approaching for Kings

getting Ibaka doesn't make the Raptors any bigger favorites than they were prior to this trade IMO...they still have to get past Cleveland and that isn't happening. You do have to try and not sit on your hands though, so the move made sense for both parties.

It's hoopshype.com and their "sources" so take it with a grain of salt.

Darren Collison is Available for the Right Price

Sources say that the Sacramento Kings have made a number of players available in trade talks, but Darren Collison in particular seems like he could be moved.

He has played well this year, averaging 13.7 points, 4.1 assists, 2.1 rebounds and 1.1 steals while shooting 48.1 percent from the field and 42.4 percent from beyond the arc. Sacramento knows that he has value and has gauged interest in what he could return in a trade. It also helps that Ty Lawson has been solid, making Collison more expendable. It’s also worth noting that Collison is on an expiring contract, earning $5,229,454 this year.

The Kings are currently just two games out of the eighth seed in the Western Conference, and they’d love to end their playoff drought this year. If they believe moving Collison can help them secure a postseason spot – or if they believe that re-signing Collison on a favorable contract will be tricky this offseason – they will trade him.

Collison/Affalo for Rubio/Bazz

The way Willie is hooping now, Rubio could take that to the next level. All-star break would be a good transition phase for Rubio as well.
We will loose some perimeter shooting. But Collison hesitates a lot from deep and that quick release and nice dribble fakes from Malachi gives me some hope of a much better wing scorer very soon.

Take for the Wolves here is DC's expiring and Affalo's lighter and shorter contract

Collison/Affalo for Rubio/Bazz

The way Willie is hooping now, Rubio could take that to the next level. All-star break would be a good transition phase for Rubio as well.
We will loose some perimeter shooting. But Collison hesitates a lot from deep and that quick release and nice dribble fakes from Malachi gives me some hope of a much better wing scorer very soon.

Take for the Wolves here is DC's expiring and Affalo's lighter and shorter contract

You are confusing Darren and Ty as Collison has no problem launching. And Kings won't lose "some shooting", they will get Boogie a guaranteed double every time Rubio is on the floor.

You are confusing Darren and Ty as Collison has no problem launching. And Kings won't lose "some shooting", they will get Boogie a guaranteed double every time Rubio is on the floor.

It's hoopshype.com and their "sources" so take it with a grain of salt.

Darren Collison is Available for the Right Price

Sources say that the Sacramento Kings have made a number of players available in trade talks, but Darren Collison in particular seems like he could be moved.

He has played well this year, averaging 13.7 points, 4.1 assists, 2.1 rebounds and 1.1 steals while shooting 48.1 percent from the field and 42.4 percent from beyond the arc. Sacramento knows that he has value and has gauged interest in what he could return in a trade. It also helps that Ty Lawson has been solid, making Collison more expendable. It’s also worth noting that Collison is on an expiring contract, earning $5,229,454 this year.

The Kings are currently just two games out of the eighth seed in the Western Conference, and they’d love to end their playoff drought this year. If they believe moving Collison can help them secure a postseason spot – or if they believe that re-signing Collison on a favorable contract will be tricky this offseason – they will trade him.

This is exactly what I have been saying the last few days.

Even if we want to, we won't be able to keep both Collison and Lawson beyond this season so we need to make a call which one we would like to keep and try and trade the other one for an asset. Whether that is a player that addresses another need or a draft pick that we would use in the trade to get another player, that really is irrelevant at the moment. Once you trade away one of them, you are not letting the asset expire and there is always a Jordan Farmer type waiting in the wings somewhere looking for a contract that we can sign as a back up.

Having said that, I don't expect us to make any trades but stranger things have happened.

I guess, Derrick Rose is out there as well.

I would consider it yes. In terms of asset management the team has to consider how much it would cost to retain Ty and Darren if that's the direction we choose to go.

Ty is on an entirely other level than Joseph. And his rep is hardly rehabilitated enough to get a max contract.

You can't ever get better if we return to trading away our most talented pieces. Ty's clearly a keeper if he makes noises he wants to stay. Joseph's just a backup PG.

Because we have a few guys that can't create their shot and when Cousins sit, they kind of reply on a PG to get them good open shots. WCS for one, at least for the time being needs to have a PG that will create for him. Ty Lawson is the type of player that this team needs. I would like to re-sign him and hopefully at a reasonable price and tell him to work on his 3PT shot over the summer. Get that back to respectable level and we have ourselves a pretty decent PG for a few years.

In my humble opinion Lawson is a well rounded PG. Give him 30 minutes a game and he'll get you 15 pt's and 9 or 10 assists, and he'll do it without being ball dominate like Rondo used to be. Lawson has been a far better defender than I expected. Yeah, his size is a bit of a disadvantage, but all in all, he's been a very good defender. Lawson does a great job of breaking down the other teams defense on a regular basis. If you can resign him to a reasonable contract, I'd do it. All things being equal, I'd take Lawson 10 out of 10 times over Joseph.

see if Memphis would like Koufos back? Get a young player and 2nd rounder back?

One guy I'd like the Kings to go for is Bledsoe but would probably take Afflalo (get cap space), Skal, and another player (1st round pick next year) so not sure how it would work.

Mudiay is being shopped but don't see Denver wanting to trade with us or us being interested.

They traded with Portland.

This is exactly what I have been saying the last few days.

Even if we want to, we won't be able to keep both Collison and Lawson beyond this season so we need to make a call which one we would like to keep and try and trade the other one for an asset. Whether that is a player that addresses another need or a draft pick that we would use in the trade to get another player, that really is irrelevant at the moment. Once you trade away one of them, you are not letting the asset expire and there is always a Jordan Farmer type waiting in the wings somewhere looking for a contract that we can sign as a back up.

Having said that, I don't expect us to make any trades but stranger things have happened.

I certainly hope your wrong about that last sentence. We have around five expiring contracts and to not move at least one of them would be criminal.

I certainly hope your wrong about that last sentence. We have around five expiring contracts and to not move at least one of them would be criminal.

I agree, that Lawson has been a very decent defender and he is the only one able to break down a defense, when Cousins sits.
But stats are highly dependant on playing time and player role in the offense. Lawson will indeed give you decent stats, if you fully commit to him and let him be the decision maker. The problem is, that Lawson isn't the guy, who I would like next to DMC. I don't think those two are a very good pairing. Lawson wants to speed up the game as much as humanly possible. That's his strong point. He is not a great shooter. His drives are most dangerous, when in transition or when he attacks before the D can get set. He is ideal next to WCS, until father time finally runs him down and takes away some of his quickness.

Joseph on the other hand, plays an entirely different role. When you take a look at the regular 5 man combinations of the Raptors it's obvious, that Joseph always plays with one of the ball dominant guards of the Raptors. He is never the lone decision maker. In fact he plays way more in the off the ball role. When you look at NBA team stats the Raptors are tied with the Suns for the least assists per game this season. What does that mean? Are Lowry or Joseph unable to run a team? I don't think so - the role of the guards in the Raptors system is to finish. The guards are scorers and not playmakers.
So after all there are reasons, why Joseph has an entirely different statline than Lawson.
What makes Joseph appealing is, that he is signed for a couple of years to a reasonable contract. He is in his prime. He recieved a very fundamentally sound basketball education in the Spurs school. He is a hard worker, even voluntarily going to the D-League to get playing time and to get better when with the Spurs. He is a full sized combo guard able to play and to defend both guards positions. From my observations he has a very decent understanding of the pick&roll. He is ranked 19th in Assist to Turnover ratio in 2016/17 meaning he usually takes very good care of the ball, which is absolutely crucial, if we want to continue down the DMC road, where every live ball TO is costly. This year he extended his game out to the 3pt line, shooting a decent percentage, although most of his 3 pointers are assisted, meaning he maybe is not a good off the dribble shooter from 3 yet.
So despite his unimpressive statline there is a lot to like about Corey Joseph.
His skillset maybe makes him more of a possible DC successor, than a substitute for Ty Lawson, but he is certainly a PG I would like on the Kings.

Generally my prefered type of PG is very consistent:
Big, versatile, good defender (which is the biggest question mark with Joseph this year), decent playmaker, decent shooter or at least young enough to become a decent shooter over time.


Sadly those guys don't grow on trees. So when you rule out someone like Joseph, how should the Kings go forward at the PG position?
Should we resign DC and Lawson and continue to field one of the smallest PG rotations of the league, which hinders our ability to switch ball screens? Do you think we have a chance to sign one of Hill, Holiday or Teague? Or should we go after guys like Mill, Livingston or even Rose or Jennings?
Because for me the PG position is one of the biggest question marks for the Kings going forward and it seems extremely difficult to upgrade it.

Do not understand the criminal aspect.

It would be miracle to pull the first rounder for any of the four expiring (Lawson, Collison, Ben or Casspi). Who is the fifth? Injured Rudy?
Do not see how missing on second rounders is criminal.

On the other side, the best two talents happen to be the only two PGs we have, trading one will be immediate 'no-playoff' signal.
Casspi has been injured forever and Ben is a (poor) man of mystery. None has a high value.
Current misfits are also gelling and functioning quite well as a team (finally).

It is possible something will happen, but I would prefer nothing than getting silly contract in return for marginal upgrade or second rounders to give up the playoff fight.

The word Criminal was a play on words. Like, not doing your job. Not meant to be taken literally. I hate when I have to explain this stuff. I said around five, because although he's not legally a freeagent, the Kings could let Afflalo walk as well because only 1.5 mil of his contract is guaranteed next season. For that matter, they could do the same to Tolliver who is only owed 2 mil. And then, as you stated, there's always the possibility that Gay decides to opt out despite the injury. So it's entirely possible that seven players currently on the team won't be here next season. I doubt that happens, but it's possible. That said, it might be a good idea to try and get something in return for some of them.