[Game] Kings V. Pistons 1/10/17 7:30 PT / 10:30 ET

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Mr. S£im Citrus

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I don't know. I'm a "blow it up" fan, and I'm ecstatic as poopoo about this. Cousins genuinely loves playing here even though we've dragged him through years of hell. I don't know how anyone couldn't love the guy. I really don't know why anyone would argue against this contract extension anyways... even if things don't work out, we can always trade him at the end. Aside from staying in Sacramento, Cousins resigning here would be the best thing that's ever happened to this franchise since drafting Cousins... let that sink in.
Perhaps, but it also means that the organization is pretty much saying, "We're not rebuilding. We're going to keep trying to figure out how to build a winner around Cousins." I imagine that some fans who have decided that, since we're not a title contender, we might as well break it down and start over, will feel some kind of way about that.
 
Perhaps, but it also means that the organization is pretty much saying, "We're not rebuilding. We're going to keep trying to figure out how to build a winner around Cousins." .
IMO, that's precisely what you should do -- especially a small market team -- when you have someone as talented as Cousins in your coat pocket already. The Kings have spent most of their 32 year tenure in Sacramento hoping to win lotteries in order to draft a player like him. They've never placed high enough in a worthwhile draft to do so and only lucked into Cousins because of his issues.

Point is, if they let him go what are the odds they'd ever be in position to draft a "better" version of him? 1985 through 2016 says "not good".

He may be flawed, but he is a legit talent that's still only 26 freaking years old. There's still time to find the right mix of players to compliment his talent. And considering that it's easier to acquire complimentary talent via free agency and the draft than it is to acquire a star player -- it's really a no brainer.
 

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Collison is shaking off his slump though...he has 17.5 PPG 55% FGs 53% on 3s in his last 5 games.
I seem to remember DC coming around in the latter half of last season too. I could go and look at the split stats, but alas, I'm too lazy.

I just hope the trend continues! We really need this guy to play up to his abilities.
 
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He's a terrible PG though. Bad defense, can't get team in sets,but he's shaking off his slump? No
He is exactly what he was when we signed him. I don't get the sudden outrage. Do you expect him to ball hog like rondo? Pad assists numbers? That's not how the NBA works now. See rondo in Chicago. Collison is a scoring guard ala Isaiah. Yes we shouldn't have let IT go, but let's assess based on realistic expectations.
 
He is exactly what he was when we signed him. I don't get the sudden outrage. Do you expect him to ball hog like rondo? Pad assists numbers? That's not how the NBA works now. See rondo in Chicago. Collison is a scoring guard ala Isaiah. Yes we shouldn't have let IT go, but let's assess based on realistic expectations.
I can't speak for dude12, but it seems like DC has problems to run the team. There were several situations over the last few games, where he calls someone up for the screen, but it ends up all messy and confusing, leading nowhere but to a 1vs1 attempt and a bad shot. Sometimes it seems like the players aren't communicating enough and don't know what set DC wants to run or who he wants to set a screen. Versus the Pistons there was one possession where DMC first was setting a downscreen for Rudy, but was called up by DC before anything could happen to run a high pick&roll, Rudy went out of the post too and it ended with 3 guys being confused and DC dribbling down the clock to finally hand it to Cousins for a desperation 1vs1 attempt.
This has nothing to do with padding assists or being a scoring PG. This is a leadership issue and you can call me oldfashioned, but for me the PG is the on the floor leader, who calls sets and runs the offense.
DC has to be more vocal and more decisive for our offense to run more smoothly and our players to get more easy shots instead of those 1vs1 attempts late in the clock.
Just because Cousins can cross people over from the 3 point line doesn't mean we have to depend on it.
 

dude12

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He is exactly what he was when we signed him. I don't get the sudden outrage. Do you expect him to ball hog like rondo? Pad assists numbers? That's not how the NBA works now. See rondo in Chicago. Collison is a scoring guard ala Isaiah. Yes we shouldn't have let IT go, but let's assess based on realistic expectations.
Oh...I guess that changes things. I was expecting DC to be competent but I guess I'll lower my expectations and then everything is ok. Lol

Collison's defense has been a disappointment. He's been better on defense before this season but he gets torched routinely by almost every opposing PG.
 
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Oh...I guess that changes things. I was expecting DC to be competent but I guess I'll lower my expectations and then everything is ok. Lol

Collison's defense has been a disappointment. He's been better on defense before this season but he gets torched routinely by almost every opposing PG.
He is plenty competent is he Chris Paul ? No
 
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I can't speak for dude12, but it seems like DC has problems to run the team. There were several situations over the last few games, where he calls someone up for the screen, but it ends up all messy and confusing, leading nowhere but to a 1vs1 attempt and a bad shot. Sometimes it seems like the players aren't communicating enough and don't know what set DC wants to run or who he wants to set a screen. Versus the Pistons there was one possession where DMC first was setting a downscreen for Rudy, but was called up by DC before anything could happen to run a high pick&roll, Rudy went out of the post too and it ended with 3 guys being confused and DC dribbling down the clock to finally hand it to Cousins for a desperation 1vs1 attempt.
This has nothing to do with padding assists or being a scoring PG. This is a leadership issue and you can call me oldfashioned, but for me the PG is the on the floor leader, who calls sets and runs the offense.
DC has to be more vocal and more decisive for our offense to run more smoothly and our players to get more easy shots instead of those 1vs1 attempts late in the clock.
Just because Cousins can cross people over from the 3 point line doesn't mean we have to depend on it.
Rarely is the pg in the NBA now a days the leader on the court. The model has evolved.
 
Rarely is the pg in the NBA now a days the leader on the court. The model has evolved.
Not sure I agree on this one.
I think what has evolved is the role a PG plays in todays NBA. As you said guards are primarily scorers now and not mere playmakers. The pass first PG is more or less a relic of the past.
But has the role of the PG as the decisionmaker of the team really changed or is it just, that guard scoring is so effective nowadays, that most PG's decide to score more often than not?
In most cases it's still the PG, who brings the ball up the court and initiates the offensive action. In most cases it's the PG, who handles the ball the most. When we take a quick look at the Player tracking stats at NBA.com the guys leading the time of possession category are guards + Lebron/Giannis. Dc (5.3) and Ty (4.7) lead the Kings in that category by a relatively wide margin.
Why do they lead the Kings in that category? I think because they bring the ball up the floor (notice DMC does that quite a bit too resulting in a suprising 3.0 in that category, which is higher than any other big man) and because they are supposed to run the set plays from the top. So in the end they are the guys, who make the first and most vital decisions for our team on offense and whose responsibility it is to orchestrate our offense. Wether we call that leadership or decisionmaking is just a semantic problem and I'm not very good at discussing semantics.
So in the end I think the phrase of the PG as the "coach on the floor" or "the right hand of the coach" hasn't lost its relevance. The PG position may be the most important position in todays league and for most teams it's the PG, who more or less dictates the way they play.
Thanks to DMC skillset we depend a bit less on our PGs, but sometimes their indecisiveness and problems to orchestrate our offense hurts, leading to those dreadful 1vs1 plays late in the clock, that have lost us more than enough games by fueling the opponents transition game due to our own ineffiency.
 
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