Boogie to Boston?

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The_Jamal

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KingMilz said:
You see the immense talent in both and they are both like 19, I see talent in WCS (was not a bad pick at all) but I don't see the talent in him I see in the other guys. What Booker has been doing in downright crazy regardless if he's a #1 option. When your a bad team you don't draft for fit imo you draft for highest potential.
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Downright crazy? Lets keep some perspective here. The Suns are right there with the Lakers and Philly the last 3 months since Bledsoe and Knight went down with injury as the worst team in basketball. Booker is 16-2-3 on 52% TS since being made a starter. In March, his best month, he's 21-2-5 on 52% TS taking 18 shots a game. He's been absolutely horrid defensively as PHX is ranked in the bottom 3 against SG's this season, a spot largely manned by Booker. PHX is probably worse than us in back-court defense.


Again, I get he's 19 and there's long way to go with his development. I think he's going to be a very good player in the near future, but I'm not seeing this future all-star that has leaps and bounds more potential than WCS.

WCS has exceeded 30 MPG 6 times this season (seriously, that's it). Here are his averages in those games:

10.2 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 0.7 APG, 1.1 BPG, 1.3 SPG, on 68.6% TS, 33 MPG, with a +8.6 +/-

Had I put the name Tyson Chandler in 2010 with these stats, 99% of you would have believed it to be true. That efficiency would also be the best in the league if he had the minutes to qualify.

It's actually hilarious looking at his +/- based on minutes when he's on the floor too:

0-9 minutes: -12.3
10-19 minutes: -5.5
20-29 minutes: -2.9
30+ minutes: +8.6

Normally don't trust flat +/-, but it becomes a better indicator over a larger sample and more minutes. Take it for what you will, but this clearly suggests that we play better when he's given big minutes.






 
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KingMilz

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The_Jamal said:
Downright crazy? Lets keep some perspective here. The Suns are right there with the Lakers and Philly the last 3 months since Bledsoe and Knight went down with injury as the worst team in basketball. Booker is 16-2-3 on 52% TS since being made a starter. In March, his best month, he's 21-2-5 on 52% TS taking 18 shots a game. He's been absolutely horrid defensively as PHX is ranked in the bottom 3 against SG's this season, a spot largely manned by Booker. PHX is probably worse than us in back-court defense.


Again, I get he's 19 and there's long way to go with his development. I think he's going to be a very good player in the near future, but I'm not seeing this future all-star that has leaps and bounds more potential than WCS.

WCS has exceeded 30 MPG 6 times this season (seriously, that's it). Here are his averages in those games:

10.2 PPG, 9.2 RPG, 0.7 APG, 1.1 BPG, 1.3 SPG, on 68.6% TS, 33 MPG, with a +8.6 +/-

Had I put the name Tyson Chandler in 2010 with these stats, 99% of you would have believed it to be true. That efficiency would also be the best in the league if he had the minutes to qualify.

It's actually hilarious looking at his +/- based on minutes when he's on the floor too:

0-9 minutes: -12.3
10-19 minutes: -5.5
20-29 minutes: -2.9
30+ minutes: +8.6

Normally don't trust flat +/-, but it becomes a better indicator over a larger sample and more minutes. Take it for what you will, but this clearly suggests that we play better when he's given big minutes.
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We all agree that WCS should have been logging big minutes and you make a number of good points with the stats you use which I don't dimiss at all but I have seen very few 19 year old's with the poise (and very fiery at the same time) and skill Booker has. I guess I'm using the eye test to much to judge Book/Turner but I have been blown away with some of the things both have done in particular Booker with his ball handling and craftiness. I really hope WCS can get 30mins for the rest of the season and show me a bit more but it's like everything else Kings related only time will tell.
 
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bajaden

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KingMilz said:
We all agree that WCS should have been logging big minutes and you make a number of good points with the stats you use which I don't dimiss at all but I have seen very few 19 year old's with the poise (and very fiery at the same time) and skill Booker has. I guess I'm using the eye test to much to judge Book/Turner but I have been blown away with some of the things both have done in particular Booker with his ball handling and craftiness. I really hope WCS can get 30mins for the rest of the season and show me a bit more but it's like everything else Kings related only time will tell.
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I touted Booker last season along with WCS. A lot of people on this forum were gun shy about Booker after Kings drafted two SG's in a row and neither, at least up to now has turned out as expected. Personally, I wouldn't have been disappointed if we had drafted Booker. He would have been a goo choice. But in my opinion, WCS was a great choice. He fills a need that we have had for a long time. Let me put it this way. SG's for the most part are a dime a dozen. If you were to look up the average height of college players it would be around 6'4"/6'5". Seven footers that can run like a deer, block shots, and have a brain, are hard to find. When you have a chance to draft one, you should do it.

You draft players for different reasons, and if you have a huge hole somewhere and you get a chance to fill that hole with a very good player, you do it. So I think that Booker would have been a great addition to our team, and as it turns out, maybe now a needed addition. But at the time, no one could for see our current situation. We already had two SG's on the roster. Hindsight as they say is 100%. That said, I'm very happy with Willie, and at this point, it's past history. Lets worry about our next draft choice and our next freeagent signing.

By the way, Nik Stauskas seems to have found his shot. He's been playing much better of late, scoring 23 pt's in his last game. Earlier in the year when I saw him play I thought his shot had a hitch in it that he didn't have in college, or with us. When I watched him in his last game, that hitch was gone and his shot looked fluid again. I wish him all the best, and still think he'll ultimately be a better overall player than McLemore.
 
upinsmoke

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randymoss1881 said:
**** no!!!!
if he gets traded to Boston and Crowder/Bradley arnt on tge way here we burn Golden 1 down.

Plus Boston is looking to add a star before free agency to make a roster for durant or Holford. They rumored to offer Crowder/Bradley for Butler.

Crowder/Bradler is the starting point no and ifs or buts.
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And for me it's Bradley because we have the MVP a bus ride away we have to gear for that.
 
King Baller

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The_Jamal said:
The most likely destination if Boogie were to be traded. He loves playing with IT and I'd think Ainge would be fairly confident he could keep him long-term.

I'd look for something along the lines of Smart, Olynk, the 2016 BK pick and the 2018 BK pick. I'd love Crowder, but I doubt they'll be looking to deal him or IT. Those are the 2 pieces they'd want to put a star around.
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That is a place to start a discussion. Have to throw in Brad Stevens to make it all work in Sacto.
 
VF21

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Why was this crap thread bumped? It was started by a drive-by Celtics fan who hasn't been back since... o_O
 
bajaden

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206Fan said:
I'd be fine if WCS turns into a top 5 defensive player. However, if any of those guys drafted after him become franchise-type players...it'll be a bit sad. I just feel like the Kings sold extremely low on their 6th overall pick. You had guys available right there with much higher ceilings.

So when the Kings draft, do they draft BPA or for need? Seems like WCS was more of a need pick. I didn't believe that a 26-28 win team should be drafting for need when they're so dysfunctional and lack talent.

I was a huge fan of Porzingis, and I remember Vlade basically shot down any hope of drafting Porzingis because he was too raw. He interviewed with Crandell, and he said Porzingis wasn't ready to play any meaningful NBA minutes. Crandell implicitly said he didn't think Vlade was trying to throw smoke. What we've seen from Vlade is that he's straightforward whether good or bad.

His win-now philosophy might've been the reason why we passed up on those 5-6 guys too. WCS was obviously the most NBA ready out of all of them, even though he has the lowest ceiling.

I really hope Vlade doesn't repeat the same mistake in this draft.

Would you really rather draft someone who has the ceiling of Tyson Chandler/Taj Gibson over someone who has the ceiling of Chris Bosh?
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We picked Willie because he fit a need we've had for a long time. Quit selling WCS short. We haven't begun to see the best of him yet. Lets talk about it in two years. Booker looks like a steal where he was drafted, but at time, very few people thought he would be this good. Hindsight is 100% as they say. Other than Turner and Booker, the rest of them haven't proved squat yet. I wanted Willie, and my next choice would have been Turner. The only reason I had Willie ahead of Turner, is that Turner can't guard out on the perimeter like Willie can.
 
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