Latest Twitter rumor - hot air or substance?

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#61
What you are mentioning sounds like microfracture surgery which is what CWebb and Hawes have had.
No, its a new procedure that can't be done in the US. That's why he has to go to Germany to get it done. All I know is that its a series of injections over a span of a year that encourages cartilage growth in the knee. However, no playing of basketball is allowed during that period. I also apologize for referring to the wrong Bynum.
 
#62
I'd just like to point out that this suggests we'd decrease our wins by 2. Seems slightly absurd.
Because it's a horrible line-up with less than zero floor spacing. It has negative floor spacing.

It wouldn't work. too many personalities, too many egos, too many people wanting ball.
 
#63
Because it's a horrible line-up with less than zero floor spacing. It has negative floor spacing.

It wouldn't work. too many personalities, too many egos, too many people wanting ball.
I have to disagree with you.
Rondo would bring the ball up, looking for his teammates. If there is one pass first PG in the league than it's him.
Stauskas (probably) doesn't need a ton of shots of be effective. Knock down the open jumper and run a few pick and rolls with big cuz.
Gay and boogie still 15-20 shots a game.
And then there's Josh Smith who's the only one you'd have to convince to take less shots than last seasons with Detroit. But with that kind of line up, I'm very optimistic he would agree :) But okay, that's up for debate

Remember that the main rotation would only consist of 7 guys that you want to take shots because the other guys are just fillers.
And keep in mind that Rudy and Josh Smith are friends with Rondo, so chemistry and ego might not be as big as an issue as you think it would be

Neither do I think that floor spacing would be that big of a problem. All 5 guys are able to knock down the open jumper so you have to at least put a defender on each of them. Even if Josh Smith has a horrible shot chart, for him it's more about shot selection than about shooting per se. If you get him to buy in the system, I'm sure it would work. But that's just my opinion
 
#64
I think it's just hot air, since we're not able to trade our first rounder for the next four or so years. And the big question is: Does Rondo want to be in Sacramento, because otherwise he'll just walk away after one year...
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#65
I think it's just hot air, since we're not able to trade our first rounder for the next four or so years. And the big question is: Does Rondo want to be in Sacramento, because otherwise he'll just walk away after one year...
Chris Webber didn't want to be here either, remember? I honestly think too much is being made of this aspect. DMC wants Rondo; I think if this all did come together that there's an even chance on Rondo continuing after this season...

Yes, it could easily all be hot air and something contrived just to see how far it can go, but it has just enough element of possibility in it to make it worth TDOS discussion.

:)
 
#67
Chris Webber didn't want to be here either, remember? I honestly think too much is being made of this aspect. DMC wants Rondo; I think if this all did come together that there's an even chance on Rondo continuing after this season...

Yes, it could easily all be hot air and something contrived just to see how far it can go, but it has just enough element of possibility in it to make it worth TDOS discussion.

:)
Two of Rondo's best friends in the NBA are Rudy Gay and Josh Smith. And Cousins is obviously a big fan. Unless the team played horribly I think Rondo would be very open to staying, especially given that the Kings would have his Bird rights and could potentially offer him the most.

That said, I just don't see it happening. The Celtics may not plan to resign Rondo and be looking to move him before the deadline but I think they can get more than the Kings can offer.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#68
Two of Rondo's best friends in the NBA are Rudy Gay and Josh Smith. And Cousins is obviously a big fan. Unless the team played horribly I think Rondo would be very open to staying, especially given that the Kings would have his Bird rights and could potentially offer him the most.
We're together so far...

That said, I just don't see it happening. The Celtics may not plan to resign Rondo and be looking to move him before the deadline but I think they can get more than the Kings can offer.
 

Entity

Hall of Famer
#69
Rondo won't be moved until Kevin Love gets moved.
That's it. That's where the money equals out. 5 team trade sacramento, Cleveland, minn, Boston, and Detroit, that's how Kevin love goes to Cleveland for Bennett and wiggins and that's how we take back 26 mil from det and Boston and only send 17. We send some salary to minn to offset those.

Kings get
Josh smith
Rondo

Cleveland gets
Kevin love

Minn gets
Anthony Bennett
Andrew wiggins
Carl Landry
Travis outlaw

Boston get
Ben McLemore
Jason terry

Detroit gets
Jason Thompson
Ray maccallum

Kings lineup

Rondo/ collison
Stauskas/ brooks
Gay/ Williams
Smith/Evans/Moreland
Cousins/acy

Plus a few minimum contracts.

Collison/brooks/Williams/Evans/acy. Not a bad bench
 
#70
Well, if you're looking for a way that it COULD happen, it could go down something like this:

Kings trade for Josh Smith. Boston decides Rondo isn't in their longterm plans (and having just drafted Marcus Smart I can certainly see that being very possible) and decides to look to deal him at the deadline. If Rondo really wants to play with Gay and Smith (and DMC) then all he has to say is that he won't resign with any team he's traded to except the Kings. For Boston a deal for McLemore and Jason Terry (plus a future 1st) is much better than losing him for nothing.
 
#71
Sorry, I made this more confusing. Someone suggested adding Wil Bynum to the fake proposed deal and I was stating that with the lineup and cap issues from the deal, another pg would be less of a need than a backup sf or c.

Andrew Bynum, who wasn't a part of my point, needs robot legs and a new heart.
The Emperor: "Henceforth, you shall be known as...Darth Bynum"

Bynum: "thank you master. For both my legs and the return of my career"

Emperor: "rise Lord Bynum"
 
#73
Well, if you're looking for a way that it COULD happen, it could go down something like this:

Kings trade for Josh Smith. Boston decides Rondo isn't in their longterm plans (and having just drafted Marcus Smart I can certainly see that being very possible) and decides to look to deal him at the deadline. If Rondo really wants to play with Gay and Smith (and DMC) then all he has to say is that he won't resign with any team he's traded to except the Kings. For Boston a deal for McLemore and Jason Terry (plus a future 1st) is much better than losing him for nothing.
um, yeah. So our hopes hinge on Rondo twisting arms to get to Sacramento. that's.... not.... likely
 
#74
um, yeah. So our hopes hinge on Rondo twisting arms to get to Sacramento. that's.... not.... likely
If he's not going to be in Boston and two friends he's always wanted to play with (he's tried to recruit both Gay and Smith when they were free agents) then it certainly could be. Rondo has never seemed like a guy longing to be in a huge market and who likes to be left alone off the court. I actually don't think it's all that unlikely that he'd want to be in Sacramento should things unfold as described.
 
#75
What you are mentioning sounds like microfracture surgery which is what CWebb and Hawes have had.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19251676
This is only an abstract, but even though micro fracture surgery continues to be popular, evidence of its efficacy is not concrete. There are many studies out there showing both positives and negatives about it, many dealing with your average person (and not an athlete in professional sports). In other words, micro fracture surgery may end up becoming a lost art in a couple of decades.

Also, what Kobe received was the platelet treatment, where they literally take your own blood and infuse it into the knee. This reduces the risk of infection to almost zero (it's your own blood) and allows the healing process to speed up, primarily because the knee is an area that lacks significant blood flow. Areas that typically have a limited amount of blood flow heal the slowest. That's the reason why ACL repairs take at least 6 months to properly heal, there is hardly any blood there and ligaments in general take a long time to heal.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#77
Because it's a horrible line-up with less than zero floor spacing. It has negative floor spacing.

It wouldn't work. too many personalities, too many egos, too many people wanting ball.
While I understand where your coming from, I do think it depends on the individual player, and how he's willing to sacrifice. I heard this same argument when Boston brought Garnett, Pierce, and Allen together with Rondo. However it worked out just fine because all those players were willing to set their ego's aside for the good of the team. Same argument was made in Miami. Not saying that the talent level equates, but the ego's probably do. So I don't think you can use a blanket statement to predict the outcome. You could be right, but there's no certainty in that. One thing I'm certain of, is that it would be a better team, if only by accident. And I'm on board with anything that makes us better.

It's one thing to have a vision of what you want to accomplish, but it's quite another to metaphorically be on a desert island, dying of thirst, and have someone offer you a gatorade, and you turn them down because it's the wrong flavor.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#78
I think it's just hot air, since we're not able to trade our first rounder for the next four or so years. And the big question is: Does Rondo want to be in Sacramento, because otherwise he'll just walk away after one year...
Actually, that's not entirely true. All we would have to do is relinquish our rights to the 1st round pick that's owed before next year's draft, 2015, and then we could trade our rights to the the 2017 1st round pick. I believe the Bulls now hold the rights to that pick depending on where we pick in the draft. Or, if we were able to make a trade with them to get them to relinquish their rights, we could then trade it to whomever. In its current status, it sits in a grey area where no one knows for sure who will own that pick until the end of next season.
 
#79
While I understand where your coming from, I do think it depends on the individual player, and how he's willing to sacrifice. I heard this same argument when Boston brought Garnett, Pierce, and Allen together with Rondo. However it worked out just fine because all those players were willing to set their ego's aside for the good of the team. Same argument was made in Miami. Not saying that the talent level equates, but the ego's probably do. So I don't think you can use a blanket statement to predict the outcome. You could be right, but there's no certainty in that. One thing I'm certain of, is that it would be a better team, if only by accident. And I'm on board with anything that makes us better.

It's one thing to have a vision of what you want to accomplish, but it's quite another to metaphorically be on a desert island, dying of thirst, and have someone offer you a gatorade, and you turn them down because it's the wrong flavor.
A bit different though with those rosters. KG-Pierce-Allen teaming up were 3 top 15 guys who hadn't yet won a ring. And Rondo was just a baby who had no choice but to listen to 3 future HoF'ers. Same with Miami trio teaming up. And those trios succeeded because Ray and Bosh were willing to take a back-seat and be the 3rd option floor spacers that those teams needed to win.

How does our roster work out? You basically need Smoove to go back to being a 10 shot guy who never shoots from the perimeter. And get back to his defensive principles. Stauskas would need to be a 40%+ 3pt shooter right out of the gate. Rudy would need to sacrifice a lot of ball and possessions and be content working off the Rondo-Cuz PnR. It's more talented certainly, but there's A LOT that needs to go right for it to work. It's not a roster that fits together and you need players to greatly change their playstyles in order for it to be effective.
 
#80
Actually, that's not entirely true. All we would have to do is relinquish our rights to the 1st round pick that's owed before next year's draft, 2015, and then we could trade our rights to the the 2017 1st round pick. I believe the Bulls now hold the rights to that pick depending on where we pick in the draft. Or, if we were able to make a trade with them to get them to relinquish their rights, we could then trade it to whomever. In its current status, it sits in a grey area where no one knows for sure who will own that pick until the end of next season.
Just did some checking. We can trade our 2019 and 2021 first round picks.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#81
A bit different though with those rosters. KG-Pierce-Allen teaming up were 3 top 15 guys who hadn't yet won a ring. And Rondo was just a baby who had no choice but to listen to 3 future HoF'ers. Same with Miami trio teaming up. And those trios succeeded because Ray and Bosh were willing to take a back-seat and be the 3rd option floor spacers that those teams needed to win.

How does our roster work out? You basically need Smoove to go back to being a 10 shot guy who never shoots from the perimeter. And get back to his defensive principles. Stauskas would need to be a 40%+ 3pt shooter right out of the gate. Rudy would need to sacrifice a lot of ball and possessions and be content working off the Rondo-Cuz PnR. It's more talented certainly, but there's A LOT that needs to go right for it to work. It's not a roster that fits together and you need players to greatly change their playstyles in order for it to be effective.
Look, I could make as many arguments for as you can against. The truth is, no one knows how it will work until you put them on the floor together. Players are individuals, and as such, have individual motives and inspirations. I have no crystal ball, nor the ability to mind read, so the best I can do is say that we would definitely improve our talent, and if it clicked, we might have a contending team. That's as close as I can come to being factual. Everything else is just opinion, and to me and exercise in futility. We just won 28 games! I sincerely doubt that the proposed changes could do worse. Now if you want to argue salary cap, and future considerations, that's another story.
 

VF21

Super Moderator Emeritus
SME
#82
A bit different though with those rosters. KG-Pierce-Allen teaming up were 3 top 15 guys who hadn't yet won a ring. And Rondo was just a baby who had no choice but to listen to 3 future HoF'ers. Same with Miami trio teaming up. And those trios succeeded because Ray and Bosh were willing to take a back-seat and be the 3rd option floor spacers that those teams needed to win.

How does our roster work out? You basically need Smoove to go back to being a 10 shot guy who never shoots from the perimeter. And get back to his defensive principles. Stauskas would need to be a 40%+ 3pt shooter right out of the gate. Rudy would need to sacrifice a lot of ball and possessions and be content working off the Rondo-Cuz PnR. It's more talented certainly, but there's A LOT that needs to go right for it to work. It's not a roster that fits together and you need players to greatly change their playstyles in order for it to be effective.
That's why they actually play the games.
 

Entity

Hall of Famer
#83
Just curious if gay backs off possessions and smith backs down. And Isaiah's 16 attempts are gone. Where are those attempts going?
 
#87
That's it. That's where the money equals out. 5 team trade sacramento, Cleveland, minn, Boston, and Detroit, that's how Kevin love goes to Cleveland for Bennett and wiggins and that's how we take back 26 mil from det and Boston and only send 17. We send some salary to minn to offset those.

Kings get
Josh smith
Rondo

Cleveland gets
Kevin love

Minn gets
Anthony Bennett
Andrew wiggins
Carl Landry
Travis outlaw

Boston get
Ben McLemore
Jason terry

Detroit gets
Jason Thompson
Ray maccallum

Kings lineup

Rondo/ collison
Stauskas/ brooks
Gay/ Williams
Smith/Evans/Moreland
Cousins/acy

Plus a few minimum contracts.

Collison/brooks/Williams/Evans/acy. Not a bad bench
I'd love for this to happen but.... Boston is not going to give up Rajon Rondo for McLemore and Terry.
 
#89
Just curious if gay backs off possessions and smith backs down. And Isaiah's 16 attempts are gone. Where are those attempts going?
Honestly, we need Gay AND Cuz to dial back their USG%. That means trusting teammates to make shots, but it's something that needs to happen if we're going to make the playoffs next year. Having a guy above 27% and a guy above 30% just isn't conducive to good ball movement. In an ideal world, would like to see both drop about 3%.

And you aren't going to have a problem replacing IT's shots. Collison will be around 10-12 with 30+ MPG, Stauskas will likely be somewhere around 7-9 FGA/game if he starts.