Ricky Rubio WILL be the best passer in the league, sooner then you think too.

[Vlade4GM]

Not at all. There were multiple reports about the front office being concerned about Rubio's maturity and readiness to tackle the NBA grind. The one I just mentioned was one, and it was completely appropriate to what I was responding to.

It's a petty judgment, of a person, and even more so of a basketball player. To draw some grand conclusion about a person's maturity from such an innocuous and trivial thing, that for all we know could just be a difference in culture, is very petty and presumptuous. It sounds plausible to me that that's what actually happened though, it sounds like a very American thing to do to judge someone so significantly based on such a small thing.

If Rubio is immature because his mother cut his steak, then what does that make Evans for being involved in a homicide? I'd like to clarify that I'm not trying to drag you into Rubio vs. Evans, but you're giving reasons/excuses as to why the Kings chose Evans instead of him, so I'm arguing against that. So the standards have to be consistent or the excuses don't fly. At the time of the draft, Rubio had what? Five years of professional experience, as well as experience in international tournaments and in the olympic gold medal game? Evans had what? One year of college experience?

 

[RussoTuristo]

RussoTuristo - You're certainly entitled to your opinion. Considering the extremely short time you've been on KF, however, please forgive me if I don't give it much credence. People like Vlade4GM state their points of difference without the sarcasm or snide commentary. You might be well served to emulate him.

I forgive you ...

However, you made a statement without knowing ANYTHING about the subject. If you wanna talk about something the way you did, please, learn at least something about it, ask somebody if you do not know.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Some of the reasoning being used on this board lately sounds more like propaganda than anything else. By Section 101's reasoning, and correct me if im wrong, the only way for Petrie to have done well in the 2009 draft was if he selected Rubio. Even if i believed Rubio was the best player I still would have been totally turned off by his lack of participation in workouts. Rubio made it look like he was hiding negative information about his game.

I do think that he should have just done the workouts and let the chips fall where they may, but I totally understand the reluctance from his camp since those workouts are completely biased against players like Rubio. If they were 5-on-5 workouts, I'm pretty sure Rubio would have jumped at the opportunity.

 

[Hansel]

Where are all those guys who laughed at Rubio's stats in European basketball?

 

[Capt. Factorial]

It's a petty judgment, of a person, and even more so of a basketball player.

Of course it's not a petty judgment, it's an observation. Somebody said that Petrie might have thought Rubio was not ready two years ago. News reports indeed suggested very strongly that Petrie did not think Rubio was not ready or particularly mature two years ago. I reiterated one of the reports.

If Rubio is immature because his mother cut his steak, then what does that make Evans for being involved in a homicide?

Please, that again? This has been gone over multiple times. If you cared to notice, even the police agree that it makes him "an innocent bystander who wasn't involved and didn't know what was going on".

 

[spudfan]

What's up with this steak cutting stuff? I only vaguely remember it.

 

[PurpleHaze]

What's up with this steak cutting stuff? I only vaguely remember it.

A lot of nothing. Rubio's mother was seen cutting his steak in small pieces for him. The media jumped on it as, "Ricky Rubio momma's boy," instead of finding out the real story. He had suffered a right wrist injury playing basketball, had surgery, had splint removed, but was still recovering.

 

[spudfan]

A lot of nothing. Rubio's mother was seen cutting his steak in small pieces for him. The media jumped on it as, "Ricky Rubio momma's boy," instead of finding out the real story. He had suffered a right wrist injury playing basketball, had surgery, had splint removed, but was still recovering.

Thanks.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Of course it's not a petty judgment, it's an observation. Somebody said that Petrie might have thought Rubio was not ready two years ago. News reports indeed suggested very strongly that Petrie did not think Rubio was not ready or particularly mature two years ago. I reiterated one of the reports.



Please, that again? This has been gone over multiple times. If you cared to notice, even the police agree that it makes him "an innocent bystander who wasn't involved and didn't know what was going on".

Look, I don't care who is making the judgment, I'm saying the judgment itself is petty, and it is.

I realize that, my point is if you're going to judge someone on a glimpse, without getting context, then Evans being involved in a homicide should be seen as far worse than Rubio's mother cutting his steak.

 

[Vlade4GM]

A lot of nothing. Rubio's mother was seen cutting his steak in small pieces for him. The media jumped on it as, "Ricky Rubio momma's boy," instead of finding out the real story. He had suffered a right wrist injury playing basketball, had surgery, had splint removed, but was still recovering.

^See? Context.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

^See? Context.

Well, I'll say that in two and a half years since the incident, following the Kings and reading this board on a daily basis, I have never seen that context before. I certainly don't remember Rubio being injured when he came for a workout. If true, then the FO (or the Bee, as the case may be) should have used that context.

The difference between the Evans case is that the context is known and has been widely, openly discussed again and again.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Well, I'll say that in two and a half years since the incident, following the Kings and reading this board on a daily basis, I have never seen that context before. I certainly don't remember Rubio being injured when he came for a workout. If true, then the FO (or the Bee, as the case may be) should have used that context.

The difference between the Evans case is that the context is known and has been widely, openly discussed again and again.

As I recall, Rubio played with the injured wrist in August '08 Olympics but did not have surgery until later - I believe that October. He was then out of action until early '09. Bottom line is his mother and all those around him were probably just used to helping anyway he needed and cutting up his steak was blown way out of proportion.

 

[Bricklayer]

As I recall, Rubio played with the injured wrist in August '08 Olympics but did not have surgery until later - I believe that October. He was then out of action until early '09. Bottom line is his mother and all those around him were probably just used to helping anyway he needed and cutting up his steak was blown way out of proportion.

It was more than just the wrist business. Family was very much calling the shots. Was also the impression of a guy who thought he was a rockstar kind of pulling into town to forge an alliance rather than get drafted which I don't think our front office thoguht he had earned. And lastly there were just the reports that our front ofice just wasn't that impressed with his overall skills. On that one at least it appears a clean whiff for us.

Thing that people who got over fascinated with Rubio don't realizxe is that even if we did like him we STILL may not have taken him, as Reke was no longer a sleeper by draft time and been just tearing up the other PG prospects in drills all across the country. Minny was going to snathc him up instantly if we did not. Boston was reprtedly considering offering us Rondo for him etc. But given our questions about Rubio on several fronts, you could see everything moving away from us taking him by draft day. And we revisist this today really because in rather comical fashion some people have just never move d beyond that moment. I would hate to see you guys after a breakup. You'd be the pathetic people still pining over the one that got away, with a little shrine set up to her even as she's married to somebody else.

 

[PurpleHaze]

I liked Rubio a lot pre-draft and prefered him over Evans - but not by much. The fact that he then stayed in Spain for two more seasons lessened my overall enthusiasm. When Reke won ROY I was more certain it was the right call to draft him. Now, I don't know, but time will tell. The fact that his family was involved a lot is not all that unusual you'd think since he was only 18 1/2 at the time of the draft.

 

[Vlade4GM]

And we revisist this today really because in rather comical fashion some people have just never move d beyond that moment. I would hate to see you guys after a breakup. You'd be the pathetic people still pining over the one that got away, with a little shrine set up to her even as she's married to somebody else.

Why are you so annoyed about a basketball discussion to the point that you have to take passive-aggressive shots at us?

 

[swisshh]

I hope someone has a crow pie ready for Jerry Reynolds. Jerry was still taking cheap shots at Rubio long after most fans had forgotten the draft day debate.

 

[VF21]

I forgive you ...

However, you made a statement without knowing ANYTHING about the subject. If you wanna talk about something the way you did, please, learn at least something about it, ask somebody if you do not know.

Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Gee, yeah, I sure hope Petrie stops selecting Rookies of the Year in the draft.

i'm gonna start a fire his *** thread if he picks another rookie of the year!

 

[Big Cuz 15]

does anybody think rubio would be as good as he is now under westfail?

 

[PurpleHaze]

does anybody think rubio would be as good as he is now under westfail?

Probably as good or better because Adelman has only started Rubio couple games so far, not unusual considering his past reputation of not starting rooks or even giving them many mins at all. CoachWestphal (I refuse WestFAIL unless Coach Smart becomes Coach NotSmart or Kenny Natt-Redux)tinkered with every possible line-up and went very deep into his bench constantly. Rubio would have dazzled in Sac I have no doubt because that's his playing style but it would have been a long two year wait to get him over here, out of his European contract. Then, Westphal could not have resisted playing the kid a lot I'm sure - especially with the weak Kings roster in place.
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[Section 101]

Why are you so annoyed about a basketball discussion to the point that you have to take passive-aggressive shots at us?

because brick will never admit he's wrong.

 

[Warhawk]

Sooo, maybe I missed something, but who had more assists tonight, our "non-PG" ROY (with a team that made a lower % of shots tonight, no less) or the passing euro wunderkind?

Anyone?

 

[TehSwimGuy]

I would hate to see you guys after a breakup. You'd be the pathetic people still pining over the one that got away, with a little shrine set up to her even as she's married to somebody else.

What is the matter with you?

 

[RussoTuristo]

Sooo, maybe I missed something, but who had more assists tonight, our "non-PG" ROY (with a team that made a lower % of shots tonight, no less) or the passing euro wunderkind?

Anyone?

I guess you are right ... based on this game we can say that our boy is a better ball distributor. Case closed. And Luke Ridnour goes to HOF.

 

[RussoTuristo]

Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

You are so welcome! I am very glad to bring some light to your life.

 

[Tetsujin]

I think that's safe to say. Some here will probably recall the "mother issues" that he had at the time - for instance, when Petrie took Rubio and his mother to dinner, she cut his steak for him. On what was essentially a job interview.

Greatest. Story. Ever.

 

[Section 101]

Sooo, maybe I missed something, but who had more assists tonight, our "non-PG" ROY (with a team that made a lower % of shots tonight, no less) or the passing euro wunderkind?

Anyone?

Who's team won?

Oh, how about those 2 charges taken by Rubio? I think Evans has taken 2 his whole career. Yes, I'm being serious. Ask yourself if he has even taken one this year.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I had hoped that one matchup where Rubio and Evans largely didn't guard each other and came out with similar stats would mean that people could just set it aside and not try to draw meaningless conclusions or "score points".

Yeah, right, like that's going to happen.

 

[Warhawk]

Who's team won?

Oh, how about those 2 charges taken by Rubio? I think Evans has taken 2 his whole career. Yes, I'm being serious. Ask yourself if he has even taken one this year.

Oh, but those were NOT the arguments being put out. It was assists, assists, assists. The "pure" PG discussion being thrown about all the time. Evans can't find teammmates at all, right? Your words (post 146):

Rubio is a team player and Evans is a one on one player.

RA is one of the best coaches in the league and knows how to use players to their best. I'd wager that if we could have Rick as coach here we'd be having entirely different conversations and different outlook on the team.

Is Rubio a better passer overall? Undoubtably. But Tyreke is nothing to sneeze at, either. You (general "you" not "you" in particular) don't have to keep putting one down to praise the other. I've said it before: I like Rubio. He's a good player. But I also think Tyreke would also get more assists if this team could hit the broad side of a barn instead of missing so many open shots every darn game.

 

[Section 101]

Oh, but those were NOT the arguments being put out. It was assists, assists, assists. The "pure" PG discussion being thrown about all the time. Evans can't find teammmates at all, right? Your words (post 146):



RA is one of the best coaches in the league and knows how to use players to their best. I'd wager that if we could have Rick as coach here we'd be having entirely different conversations and different outlook on the team.

Is Rubio a better passer overall? Undoubtably. But Tyreke is nothing to sneeze at, either. You (general "you" not "you" in particular) don't have to keep putting one down to praise the other. I've said it before: I like Rubio. He's a good player. But I also think Tyreke would also get more assists if this team could hit the broad side of a barn instead of missing so many open shots every darn game.

And a 1 game sample size is meaningless. I never said Evans couldn't pass. I've said he can't run an offense and the only pass he can make is in his frontal vision. Don't forget that Salmons has some good assist nights too. Doesn't change who they are as players.

As for players not hitting shots that happens to all players missing assists. How many blow assists did rubio have last night? Quite a few from Darko at the rim and others missing open shots too.